Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Has anyone experience of treating lyme disease or know about treating it. thanks, hilary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hi - H Buhner has written a comprehensive book called " Healing Lyme " , ISBN: 0-9708696-3-0 His considerations in tx lyme are: killing the spirochetes, immune modulation, support, collagenous tissue support and symptomatic help. He outlines an herbal protocol that includes herbs such as Eleutherococcus for the acute onset, antispirochetals: andrographis, polygonum cuspidatum (japanese knotweed),Neural and arthritic pain: stephania tetrandra, anthriscus sylvestris (?). Immune potentiators such as cats claw, astragalus. Liver support etc. Then addresses symptomatic care with various other herbs and supplements. This description , of course, is probably not too helpful to you. I would get the book. also has a website: www.gaianstudies.org where he says he'll post updates re: lyme tx. Fairly inexpensive paperback and worth it. VT. USA >Has anyone experience of treating lyme disease or know about treating >it. >thanks, hilary > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Dear , I have treated a few cases of Lymes disease.I have noticed that a/b's alone dont seem to clear the condition, especially the musculo-skeletal Sx. My advice is to treat what u see and I would advise the pt to use an a/b with the herbs , and to tell the pt the experience of herbalists treating Lymes. The following is an Rx I have found successful , not alone for Lymes , but forms the basis for all my tropical GIT infection Rx's and prophyllaxis Rx's, and against a wide range of bacterial and protozal infections Art. annua , Art abs , Art dracunculus , Tanacetum parthenium , Calendula 90 , Shitake , Boswellia , Althaea rad , Hydrastis can , guaicum off , Allium sativum , Azadiracta indica , Succissa pratensis , Thuja occ , Oreganum vulgare , Geum urbanum , Thymus vulg , Carduus mar , Cinnamomum zey , Berberis vulg , Zingiber off , Uncaria tomentosa , Sig , 5 mls 6 times per day , and do what u have to do to get the dosage into the pt . Continue for 6 weeks at this dosage , and 5 mls tds for at least another 6 weeks . Hope this helps , Emmett Walsh re: lyme disease > Has anyone experience of treating lyme disease or know about treating > it. > thanks, hilary > > > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Thank you Emmett for this. Some of these herbs I don't know. Would you mind clarifying for me what the common name is for succissa pratensis and Azadiracta indica? And where you get them from. Also, when they finish taking the herbs, how do you know they have cleared the infection? do you just go by the clinical picture, or what tests would you do. I read that the spirochete changes into dormant cystic form when under threat from the immune system, and can reactivate throughout that persons life intermittently. I presume you just treat again as a when you need to? Many thanks again best wishes > Message Received: Feb 05 2006, 11:12 AM > From: " Emmett & Markie Walsh " > To: ukherbal-list > Cc: > Subject: Re: re: lyme disease > > Dear , > > I have treated a few cases of Lymes disease.I have noticed that a/b's alone > dont seem to clear the condition, especially the musculo-skeletal Sx. My > advice is to treat what u see and I would advise the pt to use an a/b with > the herbs , and to tell the pt the experience of herbalists treating Lymes. > The following is an Rx I have found successful , not alone for Lymes , but > forms the basis for all my tropical GIT infection Rx's and prophyllaxis > Rx's, and against a wide range of bacterial and protozal infections > > Art. annua , Art abs , Art dracunculus , Tanacetum parthenium , Calendula 90 > , Shitake , Boswellia , Althaea rad , Hydrastis can , guaicum off , Allium > sativum , Azadiracta indica , Succissa pratensis , Thuja occ , Oreganum > vulgare , Geum urbanum , Thymus vulg , Carduus mar , Cinnamomum zey , > Berberis vulg , Zingiber off , Uncaria tomentosa , > Sig , 5 mls 6 times per day , and do what u have to do to get the dosage > into the pt . Continue for 6 weeks at this dosage , and 5 mls tds for at > least another 6 weeks . > > Hope this helps , > > Emmett Walsh > > > > > > re: lyme disease > > > > Has anyone experience of treating lyme disease or know about treating > > it. > > thanks, hilary > > > > > > > > > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Azad. indica is Neem , and s. pratense is Devils Bit Scabious , which has an old reputation in Ireland for " curing " everything .It is not on any of the suppliers lists . I make it myself. Not needed anyway .Get Neem from Pukka . The 3 months is needed to mop up the infection, and to deal with re-emergence. It seems to work as no recurrence has occured in my pts .If there is recurrence , repeat the procedure again . Emmett re: lyme disease >> >> >> > Has anyone experience of treating lyme disease or know about treating >> > it. >> > thanks, hilary >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Dear Emmett, I like the sound of 'getting well and staying well' after Lyme infection. How soon after onset of infection did you begin treating these patients? I have one patient with (probably) Lyme but she wasn't diagnosed til about 10yrs after her problems started and i didn't see her til several years after this. Would same treatment principles still apply? This lady has major CFIDS and multiple chemical sensitivities and can't take antibiotics even if she wanted to. I use miniscule drop doses of simples to moderately good effect, but if she increases doses even slightly she gets too much Sx exacerbation to handle. Jay Mackinnon >> Subject: Re: re: lyme disease Dear , I have treated a few cases of Lymes disease.I have noticed that a/b's alone dont seem to clear the condition, especially the musculo-skeletal Sx. My advice is to treat what u see and I would advise the pt to use an a/b with the herbs , and to tell the pt the experience of herbalists treating Lymes. The following is an Rx I have found successful , not alone for Lymes , but forms the basis for all my tropical GIT infection Rx's and prophyllaxis Rx's, and against a wide range of bacterial and protozal infections Art. annua , Art abs , Art dracunculus , Tanacetum parthenium , Calendula 90 , Shitake , Boswellia , Althaea rad , Hydrastis can , guaicum off , Allium sativum , Azadiracta indica , Succissa pratensis , Thuja occ , Oreganum vulgare , Geum urbanum , Thymus vulg , Carduus mar , Cinnamomum zey , Berberis vulg , Zingiber off , Uncaria tomentosa , Sig , 5 mls 6 times per day , and do what u have to do to get the dosage into the pt . Continue for 6 weeks at this dosage , and 5 mls tds for at least another 6 weeks . Hope this helps , Emmett Walsh --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Jay, Time gap varied. 2 pts were treated quickly after Dx , and both recovered ..Another 15 yrs post acquiring , and is making progress .Chronic Fat Syn is always a feature of untreated Lymes , and the current pt has this . Also depression . Diagnosis can be difficult , and a lot of false negs occur .I personally advise pts to take the a/b's , and herbs also , and explain this to the pt , and the need for herbs , to deal with the systemic effects of lymes , to treat the s/e of the a/b's , and to treat the Lymes herbally ..The same basic strategy would apply , irrespective of onset time , but taking account of the physiological territory of each pt , as u are doing . Again , follow the basic law of Ayurveda , " treat what you see " . Lymes disease incidence has increased a lot in recent years , esp in America ..Sx quickly follow an insect bite , and most pts can remember the particular bite that caused the onset , which I find interesting , esp when they get lots of bites , so why do they remember the Lyme bite , and they are quite specific re time and location on the body .!!! Re this pt Jay . Could you specify the Sx she gets when u step up the dose ? ..This may shed more light on the case ? Emmett Re: re: lyme disease Dear , I have treated a few cases of Lymes disease.I have noticed that a/b's alone dont seem to clear the condition, especially the musculo-skeletal Sx. My advice is to treat what u see and I would advise the pt to use an a/b with the herbs , and to tell the pt the experience of herbalists treating Lymes. The following is an Rx I have found successful , not alone for Lymes , but forms the basis for all my tropical GIT infection Rx's and prophyllaxis Rx's, and against a wide range of bacterial and protozal infections Art. annua , Art abs , Art dracunculus , Tanacetum parthenium , Calendula 90 , Shitake , Boswellia , Althaea rad , Hydrastis can , guaicum off , Allium sativum , Azadiracta indica , Succissa pratensis , Thuja occ , Oreganum vulgare , Geum urbanum , Thymus vulg , Carduus mar , Cinnamomum zey , Berberis vulg , Zingiber off , Uncaria tomentosa , Sig , 5 mls 6 times per day , and do what u have to do to get the dosage into the pt . Continue for 6 weeks at this dosage , and 5 mls tds for at least another 6 weeks . Hope this helps , Emmett Walsh --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos - NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 > >Reply-To: ukherbal-list >To: <ukherbal-list > >Subject: Re: Re: lyme disease >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:48:26 -0000 > >Dear Jay, >Time gap varied. 2 pts were treated quickly after Dx , and both recovered >.Another 15 yrs post acquiring , and is making progress .Chronic Fat Syn is >always a feature of untreated Lymes , and the current pt has this . Also >depression . Diagnosis can be difficult , and a lot of false negs occur .I >personally advise pts to take the a/b's , and herbs also , and explain this >to the pt , and the need for herbs , to deal with the systemic effects of >lymes , to treat the s/e of the a/b's , and to treat the Lymes herbally >.The same basic strategy would apply , irrespective of onset time , but >taking account of the physiological territory of each pt , as u are doing . >Again , follow the basic law of Ayurveda , " treat what you see " . >Lymes disease incidence has increased a lot in recent years , esp in >America >.Sx quickly follow an insect bite , and most pts can remember the >particular >bite that caused the onset , which I find interesting , esp when they get >lots of bites , so why do they remember the Lyme bite , and they are quite >specific re time and location on the body .!!! >Re this pt Jay . Could you specify the Sx she gets when u step up the dose >? >.This may shed more light on the case ? > >Emmett > Re: re: lyme disease > >Dear , > >I have treated a few cases of Lymes disease.I have noticed that a/b's alone >dont seem to clear the condition, especially the musculo-skeletal Sx. >My advice is to treat what u see and I would advise the pt to use an a/b >with the herbs , and to tell the pt the experience of herbalists treating >Lymes. >The following is an Rx I have found successful , not alone for Lymes , but >forms the basis for all my tropical GIT infection Rx's and prophyllaxis >Rx's, and against a wide range of bacterial and protozal infections >Art. annua , Art abs , Art dracunculus , Tanacetum parthenium , Calendula >90 >, Shitake , Boswellia , Althaea rad , Hydrastis can , guaicum off , Allium >sativum , Azadiracta indica , Succissa pratensis , Thuja occ , Oreganum >vulgare , Geum urbanum , Thymus vulg , Carduus mar , Cinnamomum zey , >Berberis vulg , Zingiber off , Uncaria tomentosa , > Sig , 5 mls 6 times per day , and do what u have to do to get the >dosage into the pt . Continue for 6 weeks at this dosage , and 5 mls tds >for >at >least another 6 weeks . > >Hope this helps , > >Emmett Walsh > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos - NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a >photo. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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