RE: J: sinus bacteria / Robust immunity?

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan , I don't think we produce a robust imme response to our stealth pathogens, that's the problem ..our IS are pushed into an inappropriate response ...without recognision of the pathogens we only become aware that's something's up by the toxins & damage the pathogens are creating . they do not present as antigens!!! the signals [cykotines]shout damage we need the repair crew., not we have an invader..macrophages & co are deployed in repair mode.. fibrin is produced hypercoagulation results joints are affected "fibromyalga" etc, etc

Looks like you are producing a good immune response to a guest pathogen one that does present as an antigen ...It bode's good for the future...

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus area and> later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the outside of the> cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with very clear> tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that chlamydia> bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head, also at> the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of these> tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or comments, I need> to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks . It's interesting (to me anyway!) that this sinus

infection has manifested itself EXACTLY like the ones I would

get once or twice a year while in teens, early twenties: A thickish

mass way in the back of my sinuses, causing post-nasal drip,

etc., until I could get that lumpy mass (or masses) out through a

lucky blow through my nose. (I know, thanks Dan for the gross

details!)

d.

> ...a deep colour denotes a robust Immune response...

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> I've had a sinus infection for the last month, doing a little

better

> now, but constantly hacking up greenish, brownish, even

tinged

> with purple, mucous. Does this mean my immune system is

> actually beginning to act normally? I'd love to have a ROBUST

> immune system!

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> p.s. No fever except for the first 1-2 days...

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> > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in fungal

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> > JW.

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> > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of

> Oklahoma Health

> > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA.

juneann-murphy@o...

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> > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to cause

> progressive

> > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

virulence

> factor is the

> > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate host

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> > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

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> > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

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> > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most chronic

> sinus infections may

> > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

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> > * Article in Mayo

> <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > Clinic Proceedings

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> > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added evidence

to

> our thinking

> > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune reaction

to

> fungi in the

> > nose. Our original study linking chronic rhinosinusitis to

fungi

> in the

> > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings

in

> September 1999,

> > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in

> Europe (ENT

> > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

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> > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic Rochester to

> further

> > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory diseases of the

> respiratory

> > tract.

> > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

Research

> Laboratory at

> > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white blood

> cells

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> > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and were

> producing the kind

> > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that healthy

people

> did

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> > not react in that way. This work was presented at the 2001

> Annual Meeting of

> > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology

> and

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> > will be published soon.

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> > The evidence was so convincing that the National Institute

of

> Health

> > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to further

> investigate the

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> > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

fungi.

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> > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus inflammation

that

> persists

> > for three months or longer—we recommend that you see

your

> personal

> > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many times the

> disease is

> > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of those

> associated

> > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

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> > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long run

because

> they target

> > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

sinusitis.

> > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

steroids

> are the

> > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the symptoms

of

> the patient.

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> > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water nasal

> washes and mist

> > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic

> sinusitis, but do not

> > eliminate the inflammation.

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> > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > Mayo Clinic

> > Rochester, Minnesota

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> > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

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> > d fungal

infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.h

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> > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

antifungal

> drugs to treat

> > sinusitis.

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> > [infections] info on sinus bacteria

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> > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus

> area and

> > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the

> outside of the

> > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person

with

> very clear

> > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that

> chlamydia

> > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons

head,

> also at

> > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of

> these

> > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or

> comments, I need

> > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

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