Re: Muscle spasms & tendonitis after injury

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<I've had problems with muscle spasms in my neck, shoulder,

arm, and upper back>>>>>

Dear Jent,

You got to try the transdermal magnesium chloride on this. You just spray it on

all the affected areas. Using it everyday though will relax the muscles and

hopefully with a little bit of time, and with the support of some yoga exercises

for the area, you will be much better. You probably would benefit greatly from

full body baths with it also. Simple, inexpensive, effective and safe, what more

could you ask for.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

Joao Pessoa, Brazil

[Guest guest]

From personal experience you might try chiropractic. Sometimes

misalignment (like pinched nerves) can be responsible in part for

muscle spasms.

If it is not a pinched nerve or nerve damage then read all of the

posts on magnesium as of late that was started by I believe, Mark

Sircus Ac., OMD.

I have been experimenting with everything under the sun for spasms

and muscle cramps during the last year and believe that a persons

calcium, magnesium, potassium and vitamin D balance is what needs

adjusting.

I have had great success with (mild ultraviolet light) treatments in

dramatically reducing muscle and joint soreness and reducing muscle

cramps and spasms.

These mild treatments on exposed muscles are not enough to produce a

tan. I think ultraviolet light produces more vitamin D in the body,

which increases calcium absorption. Although it seems like magnesium

is what is really needed the UV light treatments I believe, somehow

balance the calcium, magnesium, potassium and vitamin D metabolism

in the body natures way. I say this solely based on the results I

have gotten with UV light which differ from everything else I have

tried.

I also use magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) mixed in a small amount

of water and applied directly to the skin. It would be good to

follow that up with a moisturizing lotion to lock in the dissolved

Epsom salts otherwise they need to be applied frequently during the

day and evening. If these help then it would make sense that

magnesium is in serious need by your muscles.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD, recommends a magnesium oil (the whereabouts of

which can be found under his posts) that will stay moist longer than

Epsom salts applied in water alone without a moisturizing lotion to

lock in the moisture. He further states that the magnesium oil is

made from magnesium chloride, which is less toxic and more effective

than magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts).

I have not tried the magnesium oil yet but it makes sense to me what

he says.

I am going to further try Dead Sea Salts as they have a high

concentration of magnesium chloride from the sea and are used for

athletic purposes with considerable safety from what I have read.

You can soak in it in the bath or apply it dissolved in water but to

lock in as much moisture as possible then a moisturizing lotion on

top of it or mixed in with it would help make it last longer

otherwise it dries up to a powdery substance on the skin.

Again, all of the above is based solely on personal experience.

Best Regards,

Jack Walters –

St. Louis, MO

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Several years ago I had a nasty trip-and-fall head-first down a

flight of

> stairs. Ever since, I've had problems with muscle spasms in my

neck, shoulder,

> arm, and upper back (all on the right side - my dominant side)

whenever I do

> even the smallest amount of exercise. For example, doing even 10

crunches will

> set off muscle spasms in my neck and shoulder. Doing even standing

push-ups

> will cause pain in my front-right shoulder. And so on.

>

> I've toughed it out at times, taken muscle relaxers whenever it's

gotten so

> bad I couldn't move. But as you can imagine my ability to train

even to

> moderate levels of fitness has been compromised. MDs I've gone to

have put me

> on ibuprofen and the like, as well as sending me to physical

therapy a few

> times. Neither of those were actually " healing " in the sense that

finishing a

> course of them allowed me to get back on a moderate fitness

training track.

> Instead, I've simply done less and less (I do no core exercises

now, for

> example).

>

> 1) I'm looking for ideas regarding exercise, supplementation,

stretching, and

> so on that might benefit me in getting past this. For example,

someone on

> another list suggested several months ago that I try glutamine

> supplementation. 5g of that a day has actually seemed to help me a

great deal

> - but not completely. Are there other things I can also try?

>

> 2) I'm also interested in understanding at what level I can or

should " ignore "

> pain or discomfort in my body, in training areas of past injury.

For example,

> I did a set of bicep curls and standing pushups last night, and

today I've got

> pain in my right front shoulder. When I have pain like this, I

either don't

> train the next session, or I train with fewer reps/sets. Am I

doing right by

> myself in this? Or should I be doing something else to get my

shoulder (and

> everything else) rehabilitated?

>

> Thanks -

>

> Jent Lynne

> Portland, OR USA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Several years ago I had a nasty trip-and-fall head-first down a

flight of

> stairs. Ever since, I've had problems with muscle spasms in my

neck, shoulder,

> arm, and upper back (all on the right side - my dominant side)

whenever I do

> even the smallest amount of exercise. For example, doing even 10

crunches will

> set off muscle spasms in my neck and shoulder. Doing even standing

push-ups

> will cause pain in my front-right shoulder. And so on.

>

> I've toughed it out at times, taken muscle relaxers whenever it's

gotten so

> bad I couldn't move. But as you can imagine my ability to train

even to

> moderate levels of fitness has been compromised. MDs I've gone to

have put me

> on ibuprofen and the like, as well as sending me to physical

therapy a few

> times. Neither of those were actually " healing " in the sense that

finishing a

> course of them allowed me to get back on a moderate fitness

training track.

> Instead, I've simply done less and less (I do no core exercises

now, for

> example).

>

> 1) I'm looking for ideas regarding exercise, supplementation,

stretching, and

> so on that might benefit me in getting past this. For example,

someone on

> another list suggested several months ago that I try glutamine

> supplementation. 5g of that a day has actually seemed to help me a

great deal

> - but not completely. Are there other things I can also try?

>

> 2) I'm also interested in understanding at what level I can or

should " ignore "

> pain or discomfort in my body, in training areas of past injury.

For example,

> I did a set of bicep curls and standing pushups last night, and

today I've got

> pain in my right front shoulder. When I have pain like this, I

either don't

> train the next session, or I train with fewer reps/sets. Am I doing

right by

> myself in this? Or should I be doing something else to get my

shoulder (and

> everything else) rehabilitated?

Jent,

Sounds like you have a few neck problems.You might want to look

in to myofacsial treatments or some active release techniques.

TERRY MAVROUDIS

MONTREAL,CANADA

[Guest guest]

Hello Gertie,

I did have a bicycle accident, but a big problem with my ellbow. In the past I

have supplemented glutamine, however 3 x 5g daily. 5g is the normal amount for

recovery from exercise. For recovery from an accident as you describe I would

try to increase the dosage.

I have also used High Frequency Theraphy, which has reduced the swelling. I

wish you good recovery.

Thorsten Kaleuuk

London UK

Gertie wrote:

Hello everyone,

Several years ago I had a nasty trip-and-fall head-first down a flight of

stairs. Ever since, I've had problems with muscle spasms in my neck, shoulder,

arm, and upper back (all on the right side - my dominant side) whenever I do

even the smallest amount of exercise. For example, doing even 10 crunches will

set off muscle spasms in my neck and shoulder. Doing even standing push-ups

will cause pain in my front-right shoulder. And so on.

I've toughed it out at times, taken muscle relaxers whenever it's gotten so

bad I couldn't move. But as you can imagine my ability to train even to

moderate levels of fitness has been compromised. MDs I've gone to have put me

on ibuprofen and the like, as well as sending me to physical therapy a few

times. Neither of those were actually " healing " in the sense that finishing a

course of them allowed me to get back on a moderate fitness training track.

Instead, I've simply done less and less (I do no core exercises now, for

example).

1) I'm looking for ideas regarding exercise, supplementation, stretching, and

so on that might benefit me in getting past this. For example, someone on

another list suggested several months ago that I try glutamine

supplementation. 5g of that a day has actually seemed to help me a great deal

- but not completely. Are there other things I can also try?

2) I'm also interested in understanding at what level I can or should " ignore "

pain or discomfort in my body, in training areas of past injury. For example,

I did a set of bicep curls and standing pushups last night, and today I've got

pain in my right front shoulder. When I have pain like this, I either don't

train the next session, or I train with fewer reps/sets. Am I doing right by

myself in this? Or should I be doing something else to get my shoulder (and

everything else) rehabilitated?

Thanks -

Jent Lynne

Portland, OR USA

[Guest guest]

Hi Jent:

My advise to you is to get an Orthopedic Physical Therapist or a

Licensed Massage Therapist check your posture(length tension

assesment of muscles), trigger points in the neck, arm and upper

back. Look for a Nutrition and Lifestyle Coach from the Chek

Institute so the person can do the assesments and it can help you in

the process.

Eli RPTA,NSCA-CPT,NLC

Puerto Rico

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Several years ago I had a nasty trip-and-fall head-first down a

flight of

> stairs. Ever since, I've had problems with muscle spasms in my

neck, shoulder,

> arm, and upper back (all on the right side - my dominant side)

whenever I do

> even the smallest amount of exercise. For example, doing even 10

crunches will

> set off muscle spasms in my neck and shoulder. Doing even standing

push-ups

> will cause pain in my front-right shoulder. And so on.

>

> I've toughed it out at times, taken muscle relaxers whenever it's

gotten so

> bad I couldn't move. But as you can imagine my ability to train

even to

> moderate levels of fitness has been compromised. MDs I've gone to

have put me

> on ibuprofen and the like, as well as sending me to physical

therapy a few

> times. Neither of those were actually " healing " in the sense that

finishing a

> course of them allowed me to get back on a moderate fitness

training track.

> Instead, I've simply done less and less (I do no core exercises

now, for

> example).

>

> 1) I'm looking for ideas regarding exercise, supplementation,

stretching, and

> so on that might benefit me in getting past this. For example,

someone on

> another list suggested several months ago that I try glutamine

> supplementation. 5g of that a day has actually seemed to help me a

great deal

> - but not completely. Are there other things I can also try?

>

> 2) I'm also interested in understanding at what level I can or

should " ignore "

> pain or discomfort in my body, in training areas of past injury.

For example,

> I did a set of bicep curls and standing pushups last night, and

today I've got

> pain in my right front shoulder. When I have pain like this, I

either don't

> train the next session, or I train with fewer reps/sets. Am I

doing right by

> myself in this? Or should I be doing something else to get my

shoulder (and

> everything else) rehabilitated?

>

> Thanks -

>

> Jent Lynne

> Portland, OR USA

>

[Guest guest]

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Hi Jent!

I would suggest calling the athletic trainers at Portland State and

asking them the name of the physician they refer their shoulder

problems. Then call the physicians office and make an appointment.

You will need x-rays and MRI's in all likelyhood. Before any of us

can give you good advice we will need to know exactly what the problem

is from a good sports medical physicins diagnosis.

Best wishes!

Dan Wathen,

Youngstown (OH) State University, USA.

In Supertraining , Gertie <gertrudeout@y...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Several years ago I had a nasty trip-and-fall head-first down a

flight of

> stairs. Ever since, I've had problems with muscle spasms in my neck,

shoulder,

> arm, and upper back (all on the right side - my dominant side)

whenever I do

> even the smallest amount of exercise. For example, doing even 10

crunches will

> set off muscle spasms in my neck and shoulder. Doing even standing

push-ups

> will cause pain in my front-right shoulder. And so on.

>

> I've toughed it out at times, taken muscle relaxers whenever it's

gotten so

> bad I couldn't move. But as you can imagine my ability to train even to

> moderate levels of fitness has been compromised. MDs I've gone to

have put me

> on ibuprofen and the like, as well as sending me to physical therapy

a few

> times. Neither of those were actually " healing " in the sense that

finishing a

> course of them allowed me to get back on a moderate fitness training

track.

> Instead, I've simply done less and less (I do no core exercises now, for

> example).

>

> 1) I'm looking for ideas regarding exercise, supplementation,

stretching, and

> so on that might benefit me in getting past this. For example,

someone on

> another list suggested several months ago that I try glutamine

> supplementation. 5g of that a day has actually seemed to help me a

great deal

> - but not completely. Are there other things I can also try?

>

> 2) I'm also interested in understanding at what level I can or

should " ignore "

> pain or discomfort in my body, in training areas of past injury. For

example,

> I did a set of bicep curls and standing pushups last night, and

today I've got

> pain in my right front shoulder. When I have pain like this, I

either don't

> train the next session, or I train with fewer reps/sets. Am I doing

right by

> myself in this? Or should I be doing something else to get my

shoulder (and

> everything else) rehabilitated?

>

> Thanks -

>

> Jent Lynne

> Portland, OR USA

>

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<I've had problems with muscle spasms in my neck, shoulder,

arm, and upper back>>>>>

Also for anyone with one sided problems is to check the way you stand. Perhaps

70 percent of people do not stand on two feet but lean to the side when they are

standing still. Next time you go to the bank just watch everyone. We were given

two feet to put fifty percent of our weight on each but many people shift their

weigth to the side and this throws the balance of the body totally out, from

hips to the neck and even the brain bones go off. This constant extra stress can

also contribute to muscle spasms in the neck, shoulder and upper back. Often we

have this bad habit and our body compensates ok but when we have an accident the

balance of the compensation mechanism gets destroyed.

Its a very hard habit to change unfortunately and few doctors, even

chiropractors are aware and work with this problem. Usually its is felt in the

lower back and often triggers sciatica......I have some pictures of this on my

Biogenic Medicine site which is a subsite on my World Psycholgy site. The real

problem is that the habit of leaning to one side throws the hips out and thus

one leg ends up being longer than the other so even when we are walking gravity

becomes our enemy.

Of course putting oneself through ten sessions with a great massage therapist

would be a great thing to do. Better yet have them use magnesium chloride with

their massage oil.....thats what I do.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

Joao Pessoa, Brazil

[Guest guest]

>

> <<<<<<I've had problems with muscle spasms in my neck, shoulder,

> arm, and upper back>>>>>

> Dear Jent,

>

<<<You got to try the transdermal magnesium chloride on this. You just

spray it on all the affected areas. Using it everyday though will

relax the muscles and hopefully with a little bit of time, and with

the support of some yoga exercises for the area, you will be much

better. You probably would benefit greatly from full body baths with

it also. Simple, inexpensive, effective and safe, what more could you

ask for.>>>

Mark,

I'm almost afraid to ask but I have to.

What does magnesium have to do with cervical spine trauma that

resulted from him landing on his head and pinched nerves?

Terry Mavroudis

Montreal,Canada

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

<<<<<I'm almost afraid to ask but I have to.

What does magnesium have to do with cervical spine trauma that

resulted from him landing on his head and pinched nerves?>>>

**Now why would you be afraid to ask? :-)

The answer is on two levels. On the simple and general level magnesium has a

very relaxing effect on the muscles and also is a strong vasodilator so it bring

more blood to the area which helps in healing. On a deeper level magnesium is a

strong tonic to cell pysiology like nothing else is. Increasing cell function

(325 enzyme reactions), increasing ATP production and also cell wall integrity

plus on top of everything else helping with elmination of cell wastes reducing

oxidative damages.

I was told informally that my first post sounded or seemed like a sales pitch

and for that I am sorry. People who know me know I can get very passionate about

things.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

Joao Pessoa, Brazil

[Guest guest]

Your responses to this thread also sound like a sales pitch, an outright

one, and I ask the moderators to please review.

Personally I do not believe a magnesium bath to be appropriate treatment for

spinal injury or even severely traumatized muscles. I think the posting

that recommended MRI, Xray, examination and then possible rehabilitation of

the muscles and movement patterns to be the treatment I would want if the

injury were my own.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

It was written:

> Hi Terry,

>

> <<<<<I'm almost afraid to ask but I have to.

> What does magnesium have to do with cervical spine trauma that

> resulted from him landing on his head and pinched nerves?>>>

>

> **Now why would you be afraid to ask? :-)

>

> The answer is on two levels. On the simple and general level magnesium has

> a very relaxing effect on the muscles and also is a strong vasodilator so

> it bring more blood to the area which helps in healing. On a deeper level

> magnesium is a strong tonic to cell pysiology like nothing else is.

> Increasing cell function (325 enzyme reactions), increasing ATP production

> and also cell wall integrity plus on top of everything else helping with

> elmination of cell wastes reducing oxidative damages.

>

> I was told informally that my first post sounded or seemed like a sales

> pitch and for that I am sorry. People who know me know I can get very

> passionate about things.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> Joao Pessoa, Brazil

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Terry,

>

> <<<<<I'm almost afraid to ask but I have to.

> What does magnesium have to do with cervical spine trauma that

> resulted from him landing on his head and pinched nerves?>>>

>

> **Now why would you be afraid to ask? :-)

>

> The answer is on two levels. On the simple and general level

magnesium has a very relaxing effect on the muscles and also is a

strong vasodilator so it bring more blood to the area which helps in

healing. On a deeper level magnesium is a strong tonic to cell

pysiology like nothing else is. Increasing cell function (325 enzyme

reactions), increasing ATP production and also cell wall integrity

plus on top of everything else helping with elmination of cell wastes

reducing oxidative damages.

>

> I was told informally that my first post sounded or seemed like a

sales pitch and for that I am sorry. People who know me know I can

get very passionate about things.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> Joao Pessoa, Brazil

Mark,

The info you provide is great.

Although I don't think you can get by simply by using magnesium

therapy.

From my own personal experience with athletes and injuries, a

holistic approach would probably yield faster recuperation.

A structural adjustment by a good chiropractor, some myofascial and

or ART to address any imbalances caused by the fall, with the use of

magnesium would probably be the best approach.

Terry Mavroudis

Montreal, Canada

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>I don't think you can get by simply by using magnesium

therapy.<<<<<<

Terry I could not agree with you more. Personally I would add acupuncture to the

list but I am biased there being an acupuncturist myself.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

Joao Pessoa, Brazil