Re: Tansy - amphotericin... yeast and the AD mirtazapine

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I had a hard time with nystatin without making much progess,

amphotericin b worked for me but I had problems with it long term,

pain around the liver etc, so always felt better a while after each

course.

Having used it quite a few time I felt some resistance may have built

up, this was because my last course did not have the same benfits but

still prodiuced the knock effects from taking it. I swapped over to

some alternatives, they took longer but the benefits seemed to last

longer afterwards.

I had a kind of mania when I took nystatin, but I imagine that the

pathogen load was higher then than it has been since. I always seem

to get some brain/mood symptoms when using anti yeast/fungal agents,

usuallly after a week or so, but they pass and don't return. I have

no experience of taking mirtazapine.

Does mirtazapine cause a dry mouth? I ask because when I first tried

a tricyclic it made my mouth very dry, my dentist instantly

recongised the subsequent yeast infection and was very concerned

about the state of my gums generally. Stopped the AD, which was

causing more problems than it solved anyway, and my oral health

improved.

I have not used azoles. ABx are frequently a problem for me, and not

just down to die off. With identified yeast and borrelia infection, a

fluconazole and penicillin based protocol seems more suitable for

someone like me to try than the long term high dose ABx. My doctor's

only concern is whether my liver will tolerate the fluconazole.

Cheers, Tansy

> Tansy, did you have definite improvement when you used

amphotericin?

> Did you use any azole anti-fungal at the same time?

>

> Now that fluconazole is highly suspect as a possible antiborrelial,

> it seems difficult to directly ascertain that yeast overgrowth in

> fact causes systemic symptoms. I hasten to add that this difficulty

> may not exist for those having close knowledge of patient

experience

> with solely-yeast-oriented regimes; I dont have that knowledge and

am

> just probing possibilities. The only people I know of who have done

> such regimes are Crantons patients and our own J, all of whom

I

> believe used azoles in their regimes.

>

> Incidentally, my tongue yeast growth seems to be back under better

> control - roughly coincident with stopping the antidepressant

> mirtazapine. Its even possible that yeast *caused* the symptoms of

> cognitive disability and general crap-tasia that made me quit the

> mirtazapine after 3 weeks of excellent palliation from it. But

> probably not, considering that I also experienced mania 30h (about

> 1.5 half-lives) after my last dose, fading over 2 days into a 10-

day

> period of possible withdrawal symptoms (sleep attacks and poor

> cognition). These experiences are found in the lit and patient

> testimony re mirtazapine, and seem more consistent with direct drug

> activity on the CNS.