Intestinal spirochetes , Invasive????

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Soon after reading Trevor Marshals/Dr s information on spirochetes I thought it possible that the spirochetes in question could be home grown if you like ...we {most] host spirochetes as part of our natural flora. I wrote to TM pointing out the possibility ...In his video presentation he was careful to state that he ""thought"" the spirochete he was pointing to on the video was Lyme .. It's yet to be determined it seems !!

At the time I did not have any supportive evidence , but now after researching I find I'm not alone in my suspicions!! The explosive rising incidence of lyme across five continents tells us that it's unlikely to be fuelled by ticks ..there must be an underling cause .I put the theory that poor quality gut flora caused by our unhealthy diet of sugar with/in everything coupled with the overuse of broad spectrum antibiotics is fuelling the current epidemic. Many thousands of people have a resulting yeast dominant gut dysbiosis and it looks like they are the reservoir ... Once infected become contagious and can pass the infection by contact ,[as per Bill Harvey]..

The big question is do those who contract this infection by contact develop an altered gut flora , unfortunately I think the answer is yes .

Take a look at this information , anyone else share my conclusions?

Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2004 Jan;16(1):83-7. Related Articles, LinksHuman intestinal spirochaetosis: any clinical significance?van Mook WN, Koek GH, van der Ven AJ, Ceelen TL, Bos RP.Department of Internal Medicine, University Hospital Maastricht, Maastricht, The Netherlands. wvm@...Spirochaetes are well known causative agents of diarrhoea in veterinary medicine. In human medicine the relationship between presence of spirochaetes in the colon on the one hand, and its clinical significance on the other, is far less clear. In the majority of cases the colonization of the colon with these micro-organisms seems to represent a commensal relationship with the host, and is almost always a coincidental finding with no association with the clinical symptoms of the patient whatsoever. Very infrequently the organism may become invasive. In this article the literature on human intestinal spirochaetosis is reviewed, and key points for daily clinical practice are emphasized.Publication Types:ReviewReview, TutorialPMID: 15095857 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]: Rev Infect Dis. 1989 Mar-Apr;11(2):184-96. Related Articles, LinksSpirochete-like organisms in the human gastrointestinal tract.Ruane PJ, Nakata MM, Reinhardt JF, WL.Wadsworth Division, West Los Angeles Veterans Administration Medical Center, California 90073.Spirochete-like organisms were first detected in human feces in 1884. In the century since that observation an appreciable amount of epidemiologic and morphologic information has been published; nevertheless, it is not known how many species of cultivable human intestinal spirochetes exist, nor is the role of these organisms in health and disease known. Recent advances in microbiologic techniques, coupled with the recognition that the rate of carriage of such spirochetes in certain populations is approximately 30%-40%, should provide the impetus for careful scientific study of these organisms and of their importance-if any-to human health.Publication Types:ReviewReview, MulticasePMID: 2649956 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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You might be interested in Gays work suggesting oral chetes may cause

MS. Some evidence of oral chetes in the brain (treponemes) is also

available re Alzheimers. Also I believe one of the oral treponemes is

believed to cause gingivitis - not sure if this requires invasion.

> Soon after reading Trevor Marshals/Dr s information on

spirochetes I

> thought it possible that the spirochetes in question could be home

grown if

> you like ...we {most] host spirochetes as part of our natural

flora. I

> wrote to TM pointing out the possibility ...In his video

presentation he was

> careful to state that he " " thought " " the spirochete he was pointing

to on

> the video was Lyme .. It's yet to be determined it seems !!

>

> At the time I did not have any supportive evidence , but now after

> researching I find I'm not alone in my suspicions!!

>

> The explosive rising incidence of lyme across five continents tells

us that

> it's unlikely to be fuelled by ticks ..there must be an underling

cause .I

> put the theory that poor quality gut flora caused by our unhealthy

diet of

> sugar with/in everything coupled with the overuse of broad spectrum

> antibiotics is fuelling the current epidemic. Many thousands of

people have

> a resulting yeast dominant gut dysbiosis and it looks like they are

the

> reservoir ... Once infected become contagious and can pass the

infection by

> contact ,[as per Bill Harvey]..

>

> The big question is do those who contract this infection by

contact develop

> an altered gut flora , unfortunately I think the answer is yes .

>

>

>

> Take a look at this information , anyone else share my conclusions?

>

>

>

> Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2004 Jan;16(1):83-7. Related Articles,

Links

>

>

> Human intestinal spirochaetosis: any clinical significance?

>

> van Mook WN, Koek GH, van der Ven AJ, Ceelen TL, Bos RP.

>

> Department of Internal Medicine, University Hospital Maastricht,

Maastricht,

> The Netherlands. wvm@g...

>

> Spirochaetes are well known causative agents of diarrhoea in

veterinary

> medicine. In human medicine the relationship between presence of

> spirochaetes in the colon on the one hand, and its clinical

significance on

> the other, is far less clear. In the majority of cases the

colonization of

> the colon with these micro-organisms seems to represent a commensal

> relationship with the host, and is almost always a coincidental

finding with

> no association with the clinical symptoms of the patient

whatsoever. Very

> infrequently the organism may become invasive. In this article the

> literature on human intestinal spirochaetosis is reviewed, and key

points

> for daily clinical practice are emphasized.

>

> Publication Types:

> Review

> Review, Tutorial

>

> PMID: 15095857 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

> : Rev Infect Dis. 1989 Mar-Apr;11(2):184-96. Related Articles, Links

>

>

> Spirochete-like organisms in the human gastrointestinal tract.

>

> Ruane PJ, Nakata MM, Reinhardt JF, WL.

>

> Wadsworth Division, West Los Angeles Veterans Administration

Medical Center,

> California 90073.

>

> Spirochete-like organisms were first detected in human feces in

1884. In the

> century since that observation an appreciable amount of

epidemiologic and

> morphologic information has been published; nevertheless, it is not

known

> how many species of cultivable human intestinal spirochetes exist,

nor is

> the role of these organisms in health and disease known. Recent

advances in

> microbiologic techniques, coupled with the recognition that the

rate of

> carriage of such spirochetes in certain populations is approximately

> 30%-40%, should provide the impetus for careful scientific study of

these

> organisms and of their importance-if any-to human health.

>

> Publication Types:

> Review

> Review, Multicase

>

> PMID: 2649956 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

>

>

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, yes plenty of spirochete about, thing is, if they are uncaged gut chetes that would account for one big factor in their ability to evade the IS..they would be recognised as self!!

1: J Clin Microbiol. 1993 Jan;31(1):16-21.

Related Articles,

Links

Human intestinal spirochetes are distinct from Serpulina hyodysenteriae.Lee JI, McLaren AJ, Lymbery AJ, Hampson DJ.School of Veterinary Studies, Murdoch University, Western Australia.Twenty-nine intestinal spirochetes isolated from Australian aboriginal children and six strains from Italian adults (HRM1, -2, -4, -5, -7, and -14) were genetically examined at 15 enzyme loci by using multilocus enzyme electrophoresis. Results were compared with those previously obtained for 188 porcine intestinal spirochetes. DNA from human strain HRM7 and porcine strain Serpulina hyodysenteriae P18A were also radioactively labeled and hybridized with DNA from 12 other human and porcine intestinal spirochetes. Both the multilocus enzyme electrophoresis and hybridization techniques demonstrated that the human spirochetes were not S. hyodysenteriae. They belonged to another distinct genetic group of spirochetes that included P43/6/78, the bacterium recovered from the first recorded case of porcine intestinal spirochetosis. Bacteria in this distinct group also differed from Serpulina spp. in possessing only four, five, or occasionally six axial filaments, being slightly thinner, and having more pointed ends. These findings add further weight to the possibility that human intestinal spirochetes may act as enteric pathogens.PMID: 8417025 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of HodologicaSent: 27 July 2005 23:28infections Subject: [infections] Re: Intestinal spirochetes , Invasive????You might be interested in Gays work suggesting oral chetes may cause MS. Some evidence of oral chetes in the brain (treponemes) is also available re Alzheimers. Also I believe one of the oral treponemes is believed to cause gingivitis - not sure if this requires invasion.> Soon after reading Trevor Marshals/Dr s information on spirochetes I> thought it possible that the spirochetes in question could be home grown if> you like ...we {most] host spirochetes as part of our natural flora. I> wrote to TM pointing out the possibility ...In his video presentation he was> careful to state that he ""thought"" the spirochete he was pointing to on> the video was Lyme .. It's yet to be determined it seems !!> > At the time I did not have any supportive evidence , but now after> researching I find I'm not alone in my suspicions!!> > The explosive rising incidence of lyme across five continents tells us that> it's unlikely to be fuelled by ticks ..there must be an underling cause .I> put the theory that poor quality gut flora caused by our unhealthy diet of> sugar with/in everything coupled with the overuse of broad spectrum> antibiotics is fuelling the current epidemic. Many thousands of people have> a resulting yeast dominant gut dysbiosis and it looks like they are the> reservoir ... Once infected become contagious and can pass the infection by> contact ,[as per Bill Harvey]..> > The big question is do those who contract this infection by contact develop> an altered gut flora , unfortunately I think the answer is yes .> > > > Take a look at this information , anyone else share my conclusions?> > > > Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2004 Jan;16(1):83-7. Related Articles, Links> > > Human intestinal spirochaetosis: any clinical significance?> > van Mook WN, Koek GH, van der Ven AJ, Ceelen TL, Bos RP.> > Department of Internal Medicine, University Hospital Maastricht, Maastricht,> The Netherlands. wvm@g...> > Spirochaetes are well known causative agents of diarrhoea in veterinary> medicine. In human medicine the relationship between presence of> spirochaetes in the colon on the one hand, and its clinical significance on> the other, is far less clear. In the majority of cases the colonization of> the colon with these micro-organisms seems to represent a commensal> relationship with the host, and is almost always a coincidental finding with> no association with the clinical symptoms of the patient whatsoever. Very> infrequently the organism may become invasive. In this article the> literature on human intestinal spirochaetosis is reviewed, and key points> for daily clinical practice are emphasized.> > Publication Types:> Review> Review, Tutorial> > PMID: 15095857 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]> > : Rev Infect Dis. 1989 Mar-Apr;11(2):184-96. Related Articles, Links> > > Spirochete-like organisms in the human gastrointestinal tract.> > Ruane PJ, Nakata MM, Reinhardt JF, WL.> > Wadsworth Division, West Los Angeles Veterans Administration Medical Center,> California 90073.> > Spirochete-like organisms were first detected in human feces in 1884. In the> century since that observation an appreciable amount of epidemiologic and> morphologic information has been published; nevertheless, it is not known> how many species of cultivable human intestinal spirochetes exist, nor is> the role of these organisms in health and disease known. Recent advances in> microbiologic techniques, coupled with the recognition that the rate of> carriage of such spirochetes in certain populations is approximately> 30%-40%, should provide the impetus for careful scientific study of these> organisms and of their importance-if any-to human health.> > Publication Types:> Review> Review, Multicase> > PMID: 2649956 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]> > > > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005

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Spirochetes, the instant they invade the human host, can for the

most part be defined as the second member of a co-infection:

herpesvirus, latent or otherwise. Fatal HSV-1, the cold-sore virus

is documented. Another example is Trypanosoma, a pathogen that has a

much easier time invading brush-border cells of the intestine with

the assistance of Salmonella, a good example is the natural

reservoir, Didelphus in South America. Ascaris suum and its stealth

chemistry includes opium, a further example of the complexities

involved.

CH

> , yes plenty of spirochete about, thing is, if they are

uncaged gut

> chetes that would account for one big factor in their ability to

evade the

> IS..they would be recognised as self!!

>

> 1: J Clin Microbiol. 1993 Jan;31(1):16-21.

> Related Articles, Links

>

>

>

> Human intestinal spirochetes are distinct from Serpulina

hyodysenteriae.

>

> Lee JI, McLaren AJ, Lymbery AJ, Hampson DJ.

>

> School of Veterinary Studies, Murdoch University, Western

Australia.

>

> Twenty-nine intestinal spirochetes isolated from Australian

aboriginal

> children and six strains from Italian adults (HRM1, -2, -4, -5, -

7, and -14)

> were genetically examined at 15 enzyme loci by using multilocus

enzyme

> electrophoresis. Results were compared with those previously

obtained for

> 188 porcine intestinal spirochetes. DNA from human strain HRM7 and

porcine

> strain Serpulina hyodysenteriae P18A were also radioactively

labeled and

> hybridized with DNA from 12 other human and porcine intestinal

spirochetes.

> Both the multilocus enzyme electrophoresis and hybridization

techniques

> demonstrated that the human spirochetes were not S.

hyodysenteriae. They

> belonged to another distinct genetic group of spirochetes that

included

> P43/6/78, the bacterium recovered from the first recorded case of

porcine

> intestinal spirochetosis. Bacteria in this distinct group also

differed from

> Serpulina spp. in possessing only four, five, or occasionally six

axial

> filaments, being slightly thinner, and having more pointed ends.

These

> findings add further weight to the possibility that human

intestinal

> spirochetes may act as enteric pathogens.

>

> PMID: 8417025 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

>

> [infections] Re: Intestinal spirochetes ,

> Invasive????

>

>

>

> You might be interested in Gays work suggesting oral chetes may

cause

> MS. Some evidence of oral chetes in the brain (treponemes) is

also

> available re Alzheimers. Also I believe one of the oral

treponemes is

> believed to cause gingivitis - not sure if this requires

invasion.

>

>

> > Soon after reading Trevor Marshals/Dr s information on

> spirochetes I

> > thought it possible that the spirochetes in question could be

home

> grown if

> > you like ...we {most] host spirochetes as part of our natural

> flora. I

> > wrote to TM pointing out the possibility ...In his video

> presentation he was

> > careful to state that he " " thought " " the spirochete he was

pointing

> to on

> > the video was Lyme .. It's yet to be determined it seems !!

> >

> > At the time I did not have any supportive evidence , but now

after

> > researching I find I'm not alone in my suspicions!!

> >

> > The explosive rising incidence of lyme across five continents

tells

> us that

> > it's unlikely to be fuelled by ticks ..there must be an

underling

> cause .I

> > put the theory that poor quality gut flora caused by our

unhealthy

> diet of

> > sugar with/in everything coupled with the overuse of broad

spectrum

> > antibiotics is fuelling the current epidemic. Many thousands of

> people have

> > a resulting yeast dominant gut dysbiosis and it looks like

they are

> the

> > reservoir ... Once infected become contagious and can pass the

> infection by

> > contact ,[as per Bill Harvey]..

> >

> > The big question is do those who contract this infection by

> contact develop

> > an altered gut flora , unfortunately I think the answer is

yes .

> >

> >

> >

> > Take a look at this information , anyone else share my

conclusions?

> >

> >

> >

> > Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2004 Jan;16(1):83-7. Related

Articles,

> Links

> >

> >

> > Human intestinal spirochaetosis: any clinical significance?

> >

> > van Mook WN, Koek GH, van der Ven AJ, Ceelen TL, Bos RP.

> >

> > Department of Internal Medicine, University Hospital

Maastricht,

> Maastricht,

> > The Netherlands. wvm@g...

> >

> > Spirochaetes are well known causative agents of diarrhoea in

> veterinary

> > medicine. In human medicine the relationship between presence

of

> > spirochaetes in the colon on the one hand, and its clinical

> significance on

> > the other, is far less clear. In the majority of cases the

> colonization of

> > the colon with these micro-organisms seems to represent a

commensal

> > relationship with the host, and is almost always a coincidental

> finding with

> > no association with the clinical symptoms of the patient

> whatsoever. Very

> > infrequently the organism may become invasive. In this article

the

> > literature on human intestinal spirochaetosis is reviewed, and

key

> points

> > for daily clinical practice are emphasized.

> >

> > Publication Types:

> > Review

> > Review, Tutorial

> >

> > PMID: 15095857 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> >

> > : Rev Infect Dis. 1989 Mar-Apr;11(2):184-96. Related Articles,

Links

> >

> >

> > Spirochete-like organisms in the human gastrointestinal tract.

> >

> > Ruane PJ, Nakata MM, Reinhardt JF, WL.

> >

> > Wadsworth Division, West Los Angeles Veterans Administration

> Medical Center,

> > California 90073.

> >

> > Spirochete-like organisms were first detected in human feces in

> 1884. In the

> > century since that observation an appreciable amount of

> epidemiologic and

> > morphologic information has been published; nevertheless, it

is not

> known

> > how many species of cultivable human intestinal spirochetes

exist,

> nor is

> > the role of these organisms in health and disease known. Recent

> advances in

> > microbiologic techniques, coupled with the recognition that the

> rate of

> > carriage of such spirochetes in certain populations is

approximately

> > 30%-40%, should provide the impetus for careful scientific

study of

> these

> > organisms and of their importance-if any-to human health.

> >

> > Publication Types:

> > Review

> > Review, Multicase

> >

> > PMID: 2649956 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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