Re: (rich, penny, tony) confused...

[Guest guest]

RIch, I completely agree. Our beloved, irrascible Tony said

something about " missing the forest for the trees " . I would

respectfully suggest that by going after one or two bugs with a

torrent of antibiotics, instead of dealing with the whole picture

(which might involve abxs, deficient nutrients, rest), is exactly that

-- missing the forest, but only seeing the trees.

The question to ask is WHY aren't our immune systems able to

attack these common pathogens, and I believe that RIch has

part of that answer. We need to correct the amino acid (and

maybe fatty acid and other mineral or vitamin deficiencies) if

we're going to expect a more steady, lasting recovery.

Funny, it actually flabbergasts me at times when I read of how

many many drugs some are taking, and have taken, without

lasting recovery. Isn't anyone concerned about abx resistence or

even systemic fungal infections or clostridium from prolong use

of these drugs. Clearly part of the puzzle is missing, and Penny

should be commended for looking outside the box.

Dan

" rvankonynen " <richvank@a...> wrote:

> Hi, Tony.

>

> Please don't get me wrong. I agree that when a person has a

well-

> entrenched infection and their immune system is unable to

beat it,

> it's necessary to go after the pathogen directly. However, I

would

> add two points:

>

> 1. Ultimately the immune system must take over control of the

> pathogen if the person is to become healthy for the long term.

If

> the immune system does not have what it needs to do this,

then a

> treatment that involves only an assault on the pathogen with

> antibiotics, antivirals or antifungals may give temporary

> improvement, but I don't believe it will bring lasting health. So I

> favor a combination of direct treatment of the pathogen and

> nutritional supplementation to boost the immune system.

>

> 2. I think it's true that many pathogens produce their infections

> by depleting the human body of certain nutrients. In these

cases, I

> think it is particularly important to build these back up. I would

> draw your attention to the work of Prof. Harry D. in

Canada.

> He has a theory for the cause and treatment of AIDS that I

believe

> makes sense. He believes that AIDS is a nutritional deficiency

> disease caused by a virus. In other words, he believes that

HIV,

> together with some other viruses, deplete the body of selenium

and

> three amino acids (cysteine, tryptophan and glutamine) and

that

> supplementing these will turn the disease around. He reports

that

> trials in Botswana are showing this to be true. If you want to

read

> his book, it's available in totality on the internet, at

> http://www.hdfoster.com

>

> So my bottom line is that I agree that it is necessary to go after

> the bugs, and more power to you! But I also think that it's

> necessary to cultivate a healthy immune system. I don't view

> glutathione as a magic bullet, but I do know that if it's depleted,

> the immune system will not be able to mount an effective

defense

> against a whole variety of pathogens. You might kill them off

for a

> while, but they or their friends will be back, if you don't have the

> defenses up!

>

> Rich

>

>

> > To all,

> > I'm absolutely flabbergasted by all the supposed wonder

> treatments. We

> > are suffering glutathione toxicity(i think I got it right)?When

> you

> > fix this and address your B's your streptococci that are doing

a

> > number on your shoulder's and the pseudonomads dancing

with your

> brain

> > cells are going to go away?This may surprise many but

when your

> immune

> > system doesn't recognise bugs THEY VACCINATE, or you

take

> > antimicrobials.There's many bacteria that get in and the

immune

> system

> > doesn't say boo, if you did the studies you'd find oral

> streptococci

> > are the most responsable bacteria for needing heart valve

> replacement.

> > Am I missing something or are we going to fix the ill with very

> vague

> > additions to our nutritional, mineral, etc. requirements?

> > I can't seem to follow the group (and rich the glutothione

man)

> very

> > well when we haven't addressed the biggest infection

anyone is

> capable

> > of receiving, this makes tuberculosis a walk in the park and if

> you

> > meet a tuberculosis sufferer- often they're doing much better

than

> us.

> > Also your bloods tumbling not flowing thru your veins. What

fixes

> that?

> > I believe in doing therapies, but missing the forrest for the

> tree's

> > is a little disturbing.

> >

> > So to sum up, there's no way in the western world how your

going

> to

> > beat an infection of the calibre of occupying every cell in your

> body,

> > by adding band aid measures.Our immune system doesn't

fix these

> > organism's. In italian- si parlo non fixer up the immuno

sytemo

> > infectione ta biga like a dis one.

> > Just my two cents worth.

> > tony