Re: info on sinus bacteria

July 24, 2005

You still havnt explained why Amph B is so effective in treating

Chronic

> sinusitus...

Who says it's effective? I actually have had quite a few courses of

fungilin the oral tablet form that did nothing. There's not many

doctors putting there patients on amph B? Actually Dr. Marinkovich

the head fungus doctor gives V FEND and sporinox/fluconazole

possably because he hasn't had the success treating patients with

amph B.Again I can't beat the literature because someone practising

medicine and onbserving patients for 50 years shouldn't be believed.

SUMMING UP-

Get your daughter an oven and have her do fungal cultures and bless

us with your finding's. This to me is miles ahead of the crap that's

put out.

tony

> > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based…..Fungi down

> regulates

> > > the immune

> > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress the

IS

> in

> > > transplant

> > > > patients are fungal based… your bacterial infection is

> > > incidental .The

> > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..[is

> it?] …

> > When

> > > infected

> > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that is

in a

> > normal

> > > common or

> > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes a

robust

> > Immune

> > > response

> > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted hence

the

> > lack of

> > > colour ,

> > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi

….

> > > >

> > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

fungal

> > > infections.

> > > >

> > > > JW.

> > > >

> > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University

of

> > Oklahoma

> > > Health

> > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

murphy@o...

> > > >

> > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

cause

> > > progressive

> > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

virulence

> > factor

> > > is the

> > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate

host

> > protective

> > > > mechanisms.

> > > >

> > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > >

> > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > >

> > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most chronic

> sinus

> > > infections may

> > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > >

> > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > >

> > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

evidence

> to our

> > > thinking

> > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> reaction to

> > > fungi in the

> > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

rhinosinusitis to

> > fungi

> > > in the

> > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

Proceedings in

> > > September 1999,

> > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in

> Europe

> > (ENT

> > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > >

> > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

Rochester to

> > further

> > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory diseases

of

> the

> > > respiratory

> > > > tract.

> > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

> Research

> > > Laboratory at

> > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white

blood

> > cells

> > > >

> > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and were

> > producing

> > > the kind

> > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that healthy

> people

> > did

> > > >

> > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at the

2001

> > Annual

> > > Meeting of

> > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology

and

> > > >

> > > > will be published soon.

> > > >

> > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

Institute

> of

> > > Health

> > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

further

> > > investigate the

> > > >

> > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

fungi.

> > > >

> > > > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus

inflammation

> > that

> > > persists

> > > > for three months or longer—we recommend that you see

your

> > personal

> > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many times

the

> > disease

> > > is

> > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of

those

> > > associated

> > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > >

> > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long

run

> > because

> > > they target

> > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

> sinusitis.

> > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

steroids

> > are the

> > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

symptoms of

> the

> > > patient.

> > > >

> > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

nasal

> washes

> > > and mist

> > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic

> > sinusitis,

> > > but do not

> > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > >

> > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > >

> > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

> > > >

> > > > d fungal

> infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > >

> > > > Stop press information

> > > >

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > >

> > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> antifungal

> > drugs

> > > to treat

> > > > sinusitis.

> > > >

> > > > [infections] info on sinus

> bacteria

> > > >

> > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in

the

> sinus

> > > area and

> > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down

the

> > outside

> > > of the

> > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person

> with

> > very

> > > clear

> > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I

know

> that

> > > chlamydia

> > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons

> head,

> > also

> > > at

> > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the

cause

> of

> > these

> > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or

> > comments,

> > > I need

> > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > >

July 24, 2005

My friends attack from all angles. Some have no insurance- I

believe. I have a friend that has travelled the country zig zags

from mayo clinic to new york to the cleveland clinic. I don't know

what he does but he's very intelligent, well spoken, and crafty

enough to get himself seen. He has discovered the thyroid has major

nodules, highly cancerous according to his cleveland clinic

doctor.They want it out. I think all this was done without

insurance. I can't be 100% though.

I do know others that have there spouses spend many hours on the

phone with supposedly the best coverage to get them treated

correctly.Many find the insurance angle is a full time job.

Again I don't know, my passions lie in what they are finding,

getting on the phone to there labs and just putting the whole system

thru the ringer as far as sitting on ones hands and hoping someone

will step up and treat them.sorry it doesn't happen.

Actually none fail to get IV's? which is absolutely not happening

around here...

Getting V fend Iv's was something that happened recently to a friend

that was attacking fungal issues- since we have the fungus angle

going.I think it was a major release of a new antifungal in the last

year or so.

> > > > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based…..Fungi down

> > > regulates

> > > > > the immune

> > > > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress the

IS

> > in

> > > > > transplant

> > > > > > patients are fungal based… your bacterial infection is

> > > > > incidental .The

> > > > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..[is

> > it?] …

> > > > When

> > > > > infected

> > > > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that is

in

> a

> > > > normal

> > > > > common or

> > > > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes a

> > robust

> > > > Immune

> > > > > response

> > > > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted hence

> the

> > > > lack of

> > > > > colour ,

> > > > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi

….

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

fungal

> > > > > infections.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JW.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University

of

> > > > Oklahoma

> > > > > Health

> > > > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

murphy@o...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

cause

> > > > > progressive

> > > > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

> virulence

> > > > factor

> > > > > is the

> > > > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate

host

> > > > protective

> > > > > > mechanisms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most

chronic

> > sinus

> > > > > infections may

> > > > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

evidence

> > to

> > > our

> > > > > thinking

> > > > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> > reaction

> > > to

> > > > > fungi in the

> > > > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

rhinosinusitis

> to

> > > > fungi

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

Proceedings

> in

> > > > > September 1999,

> > > > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in

> > > Europe

> > > > (ENT

> > > > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

Rochester

> to

> > > > further

> > > > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory diseases

of

> > the

> > > > > respiratory

> > > > > > tract.

> > > > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

> > Research

> > > > > Laboratory at

> > > > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white

> > blood

> > > > cells

> > > > > >

> > > > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and

were

> > > > producing

> > > > > the kind

> > > > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that

healthy

> > > people

> > > > did

> > > > > >

> > > > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at the

> 2001

> > > > Annual

> > > > > Meeting of

> > > > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology

and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will be published soon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

> Institute

> > of

> > > > > Health

> > > > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

further

> > > > > investigate the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

fungi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus

> > inflammation

> > > > that

> > > > > persists

> > > > > > for three months or longer—we recommend that you see

your

> > > > personal

> > > > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many times

> the

> > > > disease

> > > > > is

> > > > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of

those

> > > > > associated

> > > > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long

run

> > > > because

> > > > > they target

> > > > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

> > > sinusitis.

> > > > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

> > steroids

> > > > are the

> > > > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

symptoms

> of

> > > the

> > > > > patient.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

nasal

> > > washes

> > > > > and mist

> > > > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic

> > > > sinusitis,

> > > > > but do not

> > > > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

> > > > > >

> > > > > > d fungal

> > > infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Stop press information

> > > > > >

> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> > antifungal

> > > > drugs

> > > > > to treat

> > > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [infections] info on sinus

> > bacteria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in

the

> > > sinus

> > > > > area and

> > > > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down

the

> > > > outside

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a

person

> > with

> > > > very

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I

know

> > > that

> > > > > chlamydia

> > > > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a

persons

> > > head,

> > > > also

> > > > > at

> > > > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the

> cause

> > > of

> > > > these

> > > > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info

or

> > > > comments,

> > > > > I need

> > > > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > > > >

July 24, 2005

This may sound strange but me and my buddies in the states have this

find the patient and get it from the horses mouth approach.We

actually don't sit around throwing out pubmeds at each other we

network the whole of the states and get to the people if they have

this type of wonderfull story to tell.

Penny will tell you how many people spend many hours a day on the

phone and scour the globe for the /doctor/patient and his or her

story. We sort of know that the reseach is like boring and the

people aren't out there to be reached.

Myself I would have no problem being prescribed ampho B for sinus

disease, my favourite drug for a while was nystatin a polyene

antifungal in the same family as ampho B.

There's been quite a few people that have been reached and I just

recall a lady doctor having been cured for at least 13 years in

remission. She was lucky that she used the big gun abx-at the

detriment of her hearing, she is now a little deaf from the

gentamicin.But at 13 years-truly cured.

I suppose this type of activity is out of the norm but people are

desperate to get well and hearing it from the hjorses mouth is often

better than any article, actually making appointment's to see the

cured doctor was also done-to get the facts.

So I suppose you should put the patient where your mouth is because

making these big claims and keeping people off track is

silly/rediculous/dangerous. Find someone PLEASE!!!!!!!!! and get

them to share there ampho B sinus story.

Cheers

> > > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based…..Fungi

down

> > regulates

> > > > the immune

> > > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress

the

> IS

> > in

> > > > transplant

> > > > > patients are fungal based… your bacterial

infection is

> > > > incidental .The

> > > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..

[is

> > it?] …

> > > When

> > > > infected

> > > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that

is

> in a

> > > normal

> > > > common or

> > > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes

a

> robust

> > > Immune

> > > > response

> > > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted

hence

> the

> > > lack of

> > > > colour ,

> > > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi

> ….

> > > > >

> > > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

> fungal

> > > > infections.

> > > > >

> > > > > JW.

> > > > >

> > > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology,

University

> of

> > > Oklahoma

> > > > Health

> > > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

> murphy@o...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

> cause

> > > > progressive

> > > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

> virulence

> > > factor

> > > > is the

> > > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate

> host

> > > protective

> > > > > mechanisms.

> > > > >

> > > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > > >

> > > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > > >

> > > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most

chronic

> > sinus

> > > > infections may

> > > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > > >

> > > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > > >

> > > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

> evidence

> > to our

> > > > thinking

> > > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> > reaction to

> > > > fungi in the

> > > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

> rhinosinusitis to

> > > fungi

> > > > in the

> > > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

> Proceedings in

> > > > September 1999,

> > > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus

center in

> > Europe

> > > (ENT

> > > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > > >

> > > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

> Rochester to

> > > further

> > > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory

diseases

> of

> > the

> > > > respiratory

> > > > > tract.

> > > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

> > Research

> > > > Laboratory at

> > > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain

white

> blood

> > > cells

> > > > >

> > > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and

were

> > > producing

> > > > the kind

> > > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that

healthy

> > people

> > > did

> > > > >

> > > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at

the

> 2001

> > > Annual

> > > > Meeting of

> > > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and

Immunology

> and

> > > > >

> > > > > will be published soon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

> Institute

> > of

> > > > Health

> > > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

> further

> > > > investigate the

> > > > >

> > > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

> fungi.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus

> inflammation

> > > that

> > > > persists

> > > > > for three months or longer—we recommend that you

see

> your

> > > personal

> > > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many

times

> the

> > > disease

> > > > is

> > > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment

of

> those

> > > > associated

> > > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the

long

> run

> > > because

> > > > they target

> > > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of

chronic

> > sinusitis.

> > > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

> steroids

> > > are the

> > > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

> symptoms of

> > the

> > > > patient.

> > > > >

> > > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

> nasal

> > washes

> > > > and mist

> > > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of

chronic

> > > sinusitis,

> > > > but do not

> > > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > > >

> > > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME]

an

> > > > >

> > > > > d fungal

> > infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > > >

> > > > > Stop press information

> > > > >

> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> > antifungal

> > > drugs

> > > > to treat

> > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > >

> > > > > [infections] info on

sinus

> > bacteria

> > > > >

> > > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts

in

> the

> > sinus

> > > > area and

> > > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run

down

> the

> > > outside

> > > > of the

> > > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a

person

> > with

> > > very

> > > > clear

> > > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks.

I

> know

> > that

> > > > chlamydia

> > > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a

persons

> > head,

> > > also

> > > > at

> > > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be

the

> cause

> > of

> > > these

> > > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with

info or

> > > comments,

> > > > I need

> > > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > > >

July 24, 2005

What's the go with you did someone give you some decent antibiotics

that have brought some life back into you?

Are you getting a decent dose of penicillin a wonderfull gram positive

drug as opposed to doing crappy lyme drugs that don't help too many?

tony

July 24, 2005

I convinced my former HMO doctor (who had not yet been corrupted by

the system) to send blood tests to Marinkovich and all my blood tests

came out off the charts reactive to mold. He said it must be in my

environment. I also know its a problem for me, longstanding, but I

think subsequent to the immune problem initiated by borrelia (Tony

don't get mad at that statement! Anyway...)

Unfortunately he's probabyl right. I live in a prewar doorman

building, its great, right near the park etc, but it was built in

1931. IN NY, these old buildings, lots of old leaky pipes, leaking

into walls drip drip drip for years...not repaired, not in these big

old buildings.

They're renovating 80 apartments now, demolishing and renovating. You

just walk by the dumpsters outside, with the concrete blocks and

innards of walls and floors and can smell the musty mold.

My holistic doc and I discussed vfend and even capsofungin. She's

pretty open. But I pay out of pocket for stuff like that and

capsofungin is IV only and very expensive. Plus I seem to be having

liver pain and nausea from even 20 mg of diflucan so I'm not too

thrilled with another azole, it'll probably cause the same problem.

I have been pondering this for a year or more now.

I have also thought, about how much nystatin you took Tony. I have

nystatin here. It makes me a bit revved up, for some reason. I

tolerate it okay. I wonder if huge doses would be effective since

small doses don't seem that influential.

I guess is doing better on IV. I wish, , you would post your

treatment. All those posts of agony for so many months, I am happy to

glean you are better but have no idea why--I'm figuring IV rocephin

or something.

> > > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based…..Fungi down

> > regulates

> > > > the immune

> > > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress the

> IS

> > in

> > > > transplant

> > > > > patients are fungal based… your bacterial infection is

> > > > incidental .The

> > > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..[is

> > it?] …

> > > When

> > > > infected

> > > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that is

> in a

> > > normal

> > > > common or

> > > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes a

> robust

> > > Immune

> > > > response

> > > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted

hence

> the

> > > lack of

> > > > colour ,

> > > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi

> ….

> > > > >

> > > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

> fungal

> > > > infections.

> > > > >

> > > > > JW.

> > > > >

> > > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University

> of

> > > Oklahoma

> > > > Health

> > > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

> murphy@o...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

> cause

> > > > progressive

> > > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

> virulence

> > > factor

> > > > is the

> > > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate

> host

> > > protective

> > > > > mechanisms.

> > > > >

> > > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > > >

> > > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > > >

> > > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most

chronic

> > sinus

> > > > infections may

> > > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > > >

> > > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > > >

> > > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

> evidence

> > to our

> > > > thinking

> > > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> > reaction to

> > > > fungi in the

> > > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

> rhinosinusitis to

> > > fungi

> > > > in the

> > > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

> Proceedings in

> > > > September 1999,

> > > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in

> > Europe

> > > (ENT

> > > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > > >

> > > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

> Rochester to

> > > further

> > > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory

diseases

> of

> > the

> > > > respiratory

> > > > > tract.

> > > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

> > Research

> > > > Laboratory at

> > > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white

> blood

> > > cells

> > > > >

> > > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and

were

> > > producing

> > > > the kind

> > > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that

healthy

> > people

> > > did

> > > > >

> > > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at the

> 2001

> > > Annual

> > > > Meeting of

> > > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and

Immunology

> and

> > > > >

> > > > > will be published soon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

> Institute

> > of

> > > > Health

> > > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

> further

> > > > investigate the

> > > > >

> > > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

> fungi.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus

> inflammation

> > > that

> > > > persists

> > > > > for three months or longer—we recommend that you see

> your

> > > personal

> > > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many

times

> the

> > > disease

> > > > is

> > > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of

> those

> > > > associated

> > > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long

> run

> > > because

> > > > they target

> > > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

> > sinusitis.

> > > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

> steroids

> > > are the

> > > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

> symptoms of

> > the

> > > > patient.

> > > > >

> > > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

> nasal

> > washes

> > > > and mist

> > > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic

> > > sinusitis,

> > > > but do not

> > > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > > >

> > > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

> > > > >

> > > > > d fungal

> > infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > > >

> > > > > Stop press information

> > > > >

> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> > antifungal

> > > drugs

> > > > to treat

> > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > >

> > > > > [infections] info on sinus

> > bacteria

> > > > >

> > > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in

> the

> > sinus

> > > > area and

> > > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down

> the

> > > outside

> > > > of the

> > > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a

person

> > with

> > > very

> > > > clear

> > > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I

> know

> > that

> > > > chlamydia

> > > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a

persons

> > head,

> > > also

> > > > at

> > > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the

> cause

> > of

> > > these

> > > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info

or

> > > comments,

> > > > I need

> > > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > > >

July 24, 2005

Vfend is IV? I thought it was oral.

I can probably get most anything its a matter of cost. Its insane.

> > > > > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based…..Fungi down

> > > > regulates

> > > > > > the immune

> > > > > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress the

> IS

> > > in

> > > > > > transplant

> > > > > > > patients are fungal based… your bacterial infection is

> > > > > > incidental .The

> > > > > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..

[is

> > > it?] …

> > > > > When

> > > > > > infected

> > > > > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that is

> in

> > a

> > > > > normal

> > > > > > common or

> > > > > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes a

> > > robust

> > > > > Immune

> > > > > > response

> > > > > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted

hence

> > the

> > > > > lack of

> > > > > > colour ,

> > > > > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi

> ….

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

> fungal

> > > > > > infections.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > JW.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University

> of

> > > > > Oklahoma

> > > > > > Health

> > > > > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

> murphy@o...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

> cause

> > > > > > progressive

> > > > > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

> > virulence

> > > > > factor

> > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate

> host

> > > > > protective

> > > > > > > mechanisms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most

> chronic

> > > sinus

> > > > > > infections may

> > > > > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > > > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

> evidence

> > > to

> > > > our

> > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> > > reaction

> > > > to

> > > > > > fungi in the

> > > > > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

> rhinosinusitis

> > to

> > > > > fungi

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

> Proceedings

> > in

> > > > > > September 1999,

> > > > > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center

in

> > > > Europe

> > > > > (ENT

> > > > > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

> Rochester

> > to

> > > > > further

> > > > > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory

diseases

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > respiratory

> > > > > > > tract.

> > > > > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

> > > Research

> > > > > > Laboratory at

> > > > > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white

> > > blood

> > > > > cells

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and

> were

> > > > > producing

> > > > > > the kind

> > > > > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that

> healthy

> > > > people

> > > > > did

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at the

> > 2001

> > > > > Annual

> > > > > > Meeting of

> > > > > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and

Immunology

> and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > will be published soon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

> > Institute

> > > of

> > > > > > Health

> > > > > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

> further

> > > > > > investigate the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

> fungi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus

> > > inflammation

> > > > > that

> > > > > > persists

> > > > > > > for three months or longer—we recommend that you see

> your

> > > > > personal

> > > > > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > > > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many

times

> > the

> > > > > disease

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of

> those

> > > > > > associated

> > > > > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long

> run

> > > > > because

> > > > > > they target

> > > > > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

> > > > sinusitis.

> > > > > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

> > > steroids

> > > > > are the

> > > > > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

> symptoms

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > patient.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

> nasal

> > > > washes

> > > > > > and mist

> > > > > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of

chronic

> > > > > sinusitis,

> > > > > > but do not

> > > > > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > d fungal

> > > > infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Stop press information

> > > > > > >

> > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> > > antifungal

> > > > > drugs

> > > > > > to treat

> > > > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [infections] info on sinus

> > > bacteria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in

> the

> > > > sinus

> > > > > > area and

> > > > > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down

> the

> > > > > outside

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a

> person

> > > with

> > > > > very

> > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I

> know

> > > > that

> > > > > > chlamydia

> > > > > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a

> persons

> > > > head,

> > > > > also

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the

> > cause

> > > > of

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info

> or

> > > > > comments,

> > > > > > I need

> > > > > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > > > > >

July 24, 2005

YEah, this is driving me nuts too.

, I don' tknow you but feel very fond of you but it is unfair to

put people (I feel its unfair) through all your agonies, the agonizing

description of your suffering and all the things that weren't going

right, then get on IV antibiotics and maybe also IM and ignore all

queries as to why you're feeling better.

It pisses me off, I feel my chain is being jerked around. I really was

concerned all those months, I'd like to hear the details of the good

news.

>

> What's the go with you did someone give you some decent antibiotics

> that have brought some life back into you?

> Are you getting a decent dose of penicillin a wonderfull gram

positive

> drug as opposed to doing crappy lyme drugs that don't help too many?

> tony

July 24, 2005

Jill

It's both I have the tablet form yet a friend has done IV and the

other oral.

Jill I don't care what you feel yur problem is I just luv reading

REAL PEOPLE " S real experiences.

Actually a link to sinus news and how poorly they feel when sinus

ilness strikes.

http://www.sinusnews.com/sinusitisexperiences.html

> > > > > > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based…..Fungi

down

> > > > > regulates

> > > > > > > the immune

> > > > > > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress

the

> > IS

> > > > in

> > > > > > > transplant

> > > > > > > > patients are fungal based… your bacterial

infection is

> > > > > > > incidental .The

> > > > > > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..

> [is

> > > > it?] …

> > > > > > When

> > > > > > > infected

> > > > > > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that

is

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > common or

> > > > > > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes

a

> > > > robust

> > > > > > Immune

> > > > > > > response

> > > > > > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted

> hence

> > > the

> > > > > > lack of

> > > > > > > colour ,

> > > > > > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi

> > ….

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

> > fungal

> > > > > > > infections.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > JW.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology,

University

> > of

> > > > > > Oklahoma

> > > > > > > Health

> > > > > > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

> > murphy@o...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

> > cause

> > > > > > > progressive

> > > > > > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

> > > virulence

> > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-

regulate

> > host

> > > > > > protective

> > > > > > > > mechanisms.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most

> > chronic

> > > > sinus

> > > > > > > infections may

> > > > > > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > > > > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > > > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

> > evidence

> > > > to

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> > > > reaction

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > fungi in the

> > > > > > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

> > rhinosinusitis

> > > to

> > > > > > fungi

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

> > Proceedings

> > > in

> > > > > > > September 1999,

> > > > > > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus

center

> in

> > > > > Europe

> > > > > > (ENT

> > > > > > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

> > Rochester

> > > to

> > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory

> diseases

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > respiratory

> > > > > > > > tract.

> > > > > > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic

Diseases

> > > > Research

> > > > > > > Laboratory at

> > > > > > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain

white

> > > > blood

> > > > > > cells

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and

> > were

> > > > > > producing

> > > > > > > the kind

> > > > > > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that

> > healthy

> > > > > people

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at

the

> > > 2001

> > > > > > Annual

> > > > > > > Meeting of

> > > > > > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and

> Immunology

> > and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > will be published soon.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

> > > Institute

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Health

> > > > > > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

> > further

> > > > > > > investigate the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to

the

> > fungi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus

> > > > inflammation

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > persists

> > > > > > > > for three months or longer—we recommend that you

see

> > your

> > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > > > > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > > > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many

> times

> > > the

> > > > > > disease

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment

of

> > those

> > > > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the

long

> > run

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > they target

> > > > > > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of

chronic

> > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > > > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

> > > > steroids

> > > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

> > symptoms

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > patient.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

> > nasal

> > > > > washes

> > > > > > > and mist

> > > > > > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of

> chronic

> > > > > > sinusitis,

> > > > > > > but do not

> > > > > > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > > > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > > > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME]

an

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > d fungal

> > > > > infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Stop press information

> > > > > > > >

> > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> > > > antifungal

> > > > > > drugs

> > > > > > > to treat

> > > > > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [infections] info on

sinus

> > > > bacteria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts

in

> > the

> > > > > sinus

> > > > > > > area and

> > > > > > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run

down

> > the

> > > > > > outside

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a

> > person

> > > > with

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks.

I

> > know

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > chlamydia

> > > > > > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a

> > persons

> > > > > head,

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be

the

> > > cause

> > > > > of

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with

info

> > or

> > > > > > comments,

> > > > > > > I need

> > > > > > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > > > > > >

July 24, 2005

Jill, I posted here some days ago explaining that I would not,

because of the delicate state of things with my HMO, be able to talk

much about what I'm doing here treatment-wise.

Sorry you didn't see the post.

> >

> > What's the go with you did someone give you some decent

antibiotics

> > that have brought some life back into you?

> > Are you getting a decent dose of penicillin a wonderfull gram

> positive

> > drug as opposed to doing crappy lyme drugs that don't help too

many?

> > tony

July 25, 2005

I'm just on 100% cured at this point. My blood culture report, there

reserach, tarello's similar findings got me to the top.

I have spoken to one of the doctors doing the study, and his wife

was possably the most helpfull(mcgreggor I think). The frustration

was expressed to me as similar to the guy that discovered bacteria

cause ulcer's.They would make all these brilliant presentations with

brilliant science, yet no cfs specialists or doctors would attend

the conferences. They really expressed the bang your head on the

wall stuff way back when.

What really put things on hold for international testing was the

sars scare which saw customs stop imports of blood/human products

thru the mail.I have alway's had a problem myself with customs.

The biggest part they played was the TOXIN discovery which rings on

all forums, unfortuantely when feeling toxic pople call it herx, or

I'm flaring.

As far as treatment it was annoying that they knew we needed a

vaccine for this thing, yet the next best option IV antibiotics

wasn't tested on any of there patients.basically if you succeeded on

pills that was it. I actually only tested good for minocycline at

that point.

As a matter of fact I think they moved to my neck of the woods- box

hill just down the road from my friends lab.

> > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based...Fungi down

> regulates

> > > the immune

> > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress the

IS in

> > > transplant

> > > > patients are fungal based. your bacterial infection is

> > > incidental .The

> > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..[is

it?] .

> > When

> > > infected

> > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that is in

a

> > normal

> > > common or

> > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes a

robust

> > Immune

> > > response

> > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted hence

the

> > lack of

> > > colour ,

> > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to fungi ..

> > > >

> > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in fungal

> > > infections.

> > > >

> > > > JW.

> > > >

> > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of

> > Oklahoma

> > > Health

> > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-murphy@o...

> > > >

> > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to cause

> > > progressive

> > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

virulence

> > factor

> > > is the

> > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate host

> > protective

> > > > mechanisms.

> > > >

> > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > >

> > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > >

> > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most chronic

sinus

> > > infections may

> > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > >

> > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > >

> > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added evidence

to

> our

> > > thinking

> > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

reaction

> to

> > > fungi in the

> > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic rhinosinusitis

to

> > fungi

> > > in the

> > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings

in

> > > September 1999,

> > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in

> Europe

> > (ENT

> > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > >

> > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic Rochester

to

> > further

> > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory diseases

of the

> > > respiratory

> > > > tract.

> > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

Research

> > > Laboratory at

> > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white

blood

> > cells

> > > >

> > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and were

> > producing

> > > the kind

> > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that healthy

> people

> > did

> > > >

> > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at the

2001

> > Annual

> > > Meeting of

> > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology

and

> > > >

> > > > will be published soon.

> > > >

> > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

Institute of

> > > Health

> > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

further

> > > investigate the

> > > >

> > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

fungi.

> > > >

> > > > If you have chronic sinusitis-that is, a sinus

inflammation

> > that

> > > persists

> > > > for three months or longer-we recommend that you see

your

> > personal

> > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many times

the

> > disease

> > > is

> > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of

those

> > > associated

> > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > >

> > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long run

> > because

> > > they target

> > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

> sinusitis.

> > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

steroids

> > are the

> > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the symptoms

of

> the

> > > patient.

> > > >

> > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water nasal

> washes

> > > and mist

> > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic

> > sinusitis,

> > > but do not

> > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > >

> > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > >

> > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

> > > >

> > > > d fungal

> infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > >

> > > > Stop press information

> > > >

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > >

> > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

antifungal

> > drugs

> > > to treat

> > > > sinusitis.

> > > >

> > > > [infections] info on sinus

bacteria

> > > >

> > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the

> sinus

> > > area and

> > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down

the

> > outside

> > > of the

> > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person

with

> > very

> > > clear

> > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I

know

> that

> > > chlamydia

> > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons

> head,

> > also

> > > at

> > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the

cause

> of

> > these

> > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or

> > comments,

> > > I need

> > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > >

July 25, 2005

http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/toxic.htm

> > > > > Hello, Chronic sinusitis is fungal based...Fungi down

> > regulates

> > > > the immune

> > > > > system , in fact the latest drugs used to depress the

> IS in

> > > > transplant

> > > > > patients are fungal based. your bacterial infection is

> > > > incidental .The

> > > > > hallmark of the condition is white or clear mucus..[is

> it?] .

> > > When

> > > > infected

> > > > > mucus is coloured by dead White blood cells , that is

in

> a

> > > normal

> > > > common or

> > > > > garden bacterial infection, a deep colour denotes a

> robust

> > > Immune

> > > > response

> > > > > ..when infected with fungi our response is muted hence

> the

> > > lack of

> > > > colour ,

> > > > > our IR is akikin to an allergic response to

fungi ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Immunological down-regulation of host defences in

fungal

> > > > infections.

> > > > >

> > > > > JW.

> > > > >

> > > > > Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University

of

> > > Oklahoma

> > > > Health

> > > > > Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, USA. juneann-

murphy@o...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fungal pathogens use multiple virulence factors to

cause

> > > > progressive

> > > > > disease. A mechanism that could be regarded as a

> virulence

> > > factor

> > > > is the

> > > > > fungal pathogen's ability to evade or down-regulate

host

> > > protective

> > > > > mechanisms.

> > > > >

> > > > > PMID: 10865902 [MEDLINE]

> > > > >

> > > > > See also Medline 11098625, 11387665, 11437340

> > > > >

> > > > > Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most

chronic

> sinus

> > > > infections may

> > > > > be caused by an immune system response to fungi.

> > > > >

> > > > > * Article in Mayo

> > > > <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>

> > > > > Clinic Proceedings

> > > > >

> > > > > Many studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added

evidence

> to

> > our

> > > > thinking

> > > > > that chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune

> reaction

> > to

> > > > fungi in the

> > > > > nose. Our original study linking chronic

rhinosinusitis

> to

> > > fungi

> > > > in the

> > > > > nose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic

Proceedings

> in

> > > > September 1999,

> > > > > has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in

> > Europe

> > > (ENT

> > > > > University Hospital in Graz, Austria).

> > > > >

> > > > > There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic

Rochester

> to

> > > further

> > > > > investigate the role of fungi in inflammatory diseases

> of the

> > > > respiratory

> > > > > tract.

> > > > > In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases

> Research

> > > > Laboratory at

> > > > > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white

> blood

> > > cells

> > > > >

> > > > > called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and

were

> > > producing

> > > > the kind

> > > > > of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that

healthy

> > people

> > > did

> > > > >

> > > > > not react in that way. This work was presented at the

> 2001

> > > Annual

> > > > Meeting of

> > > > > the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology

> and

> > > > >

> > > > > will be published soon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The evidence was so convincing that the National

> Institute of

> > > > Health

> > > > > (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to

> further

> > > > investigate the

> > > > >

> > > > > mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the

> fungi.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have chronic sinusitis-that is, a sinus

> inflammation

> > > that

> > > > persists

> > > > > for three months or longer-we recommend that you see

> your

> > > personal

> > > > > physician or an ear, nose and throat specialist

> > > > (otorhinolaryngologist) for

> > > > > the appropriate treatment for this disease. Many times

> the

> > > disease

> > > > is

> > > > > associated with asthma or allergies and treatment of

> those

> > > > associated

> > > > > problems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Antibiotics don't help chronic sinusitis in the long

run

> > > because

> > > > they target

> > > > > bacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic

> > sinusitis.

> > > > > Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic

> steroids

> > > are the

> > > > > mainstays of treatment today, depending on the

symptoms

> of

> > the

> > > > patient.

> > > > >

> > > > > Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water

nasal

> > washes

> > > > and mist

> > > > > sprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic

> > > sinusitis,

> > > > but do not

> > > > > eliminate the inflammation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dept of Otorhinolaryngology

> > > > > Mayo Clinic

> > > > > Rochester, Minnesota

> > > > >

> > > > > This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

> > > > >

> > > > > d fungal

> > infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

> > > > >

> > > > > Stop press information

> > > > >

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using

> antifungal

> > > drugs

> > > > to treat

> > > > > sinusitis.

> > > > >

> > > > > [infections] info on sinus

> bacteria

> > > > >

> > > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in

the

> > sinus

> > > > area and

> > > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down

> the

> > > outside

> > > > of the

> > > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a

person

> with

> > > very

> > > > clear

> > > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I

> know

> > that

> > > > chlamydia

> > > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a

persons

> > head,

> > > also

> > > > at

> > > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the

> cause

> > of

> > > these

> > > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info

or

> > > comments,

> > > > I need

> > > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd

> > > > >

July 25, 2005

Huh. This looks significant:

" The treatment was well tolerated. Intention-to-treat analysis showed

32/49 (65%) responders in the SB [staph toxin vaccine] group compared

to 9/49 (18%) in the placebo group (P<0.001). Sixteen patients (33%)

in the SB group reduced their CPRS [comprehensive psychopathological

rating scale] scores by at least 50% compared to five patients (10%)

in the placebo group (P<0.01). Mean change score on the CPRS (95%

confidence interval) was 10.0 (6.7-13.3) in the SB group and 3.9 (1.1-

6.6) in the placebo group (P<0.01). An increase in CPRS symptoms at

withdrawal was noted in the SB group. "

http://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0211a & L=co-

cure & F= & S= & P=1889

>

> http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/toxic.htm

July 25, 2005

The science behind this isn't dealing with the invisable. The

studies have many more paper's submitted to medical journals.

Regardless what you think about bacteria it's the TOXINS that

everyone is trying to detoxify that make this study very appealing

to me.

Can you believe about 16 years of pain research, cfs/fibromyalgia

and autism not to mention a very comprehensive investigation of

stool bacteria and you have the best study in the world of ill

people's bacteria and it's going completely the way of helicobacter,

where no-one is interested.

I should culture up a couple of samples of the toxins being produced

by one person that do not exist on a second person.

I also think richard is talking about a kit they supply to your

doctor that has to be paid by his medical group due to the high cost

of supplying anaerobic sample gathering equipment.

> >

> > http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/toxic.htm

July 26, 2005

, I'm hearing you. I do recall they only gave time for a

doctor to ring up on a monday. This was free at the time. My real

anger with them came from the fact that they have this picture very

well understood yet they just don't step up and do the hard miles to

get people well. It's like they are playing it safe in the system.

I did order the amino acid supplementation and didn't care for it.I

think though a very positive bacterial study of cfs for 100 bucks

for tha nasal swab and 250 for the stool bacterial sample was a real

eye opener.I actually am fortunate to have studied many people's

samples and I have noticed recently that the CFS people have an

eneterococcus finding alongside there toxic staph. Myself(fibro)

penny and someone else have alway's tested positive for enterococcus

a couple of other friends just fascial rot not really fatigue don't

show any enterococcus and these people have been extensively tested.

I personally didn't have much to do with them,(newcatlse) they were

obviously structuring for the research dollars. I actually do recall

Mcgreggor's wife telling me how frustrated they were, basically

banging there head on the wall as far as getting the system to do

anything.So I wouldn't piss on them either, but the system being the

monster it is would obviously put you in the position of becoming an

a- hole to work amongst it.

Actually a friend from england that I rang frequently would

constanly exchange emails with proffesor TIM whatever, so they were

not all a- holes.

To sum up I still think we are blessed, when you read the US

attack on your wallet. Just go to cfs exp and you can read how a

long consult cost 2850(5 hours cheney), and 500 dollar charge to

read an email, and a bill for 1800 for a phone consult.All this and

the guy never ever gives antibiotics, antifungals, anti virals

even.I do recall doing a phone consult with mcgreggor for the basic

medicare charge( for our US friends approx 25 us dollars). It was OK-

he basically explained I had all the chemical finding's of someone

with fibromyalgia.Not bad for someone to tell you what many others

have diagnosed without seeing you. I don't recall too much else.This

was about 4 years ago when the pain and inflammation was at an all

time high.

I found tarello is still the man for me though, he was brilliant.

sent me arsenic for free, sent me blowups of the blood smears

showing the attached staphs to the red blood cells.

It's basically criminal of the system (medical) to have an ilness

like cfs that shows up so clearly in the red blood cells like

malaria does and no-one is looking past the 400 times magnification

in all your path requests.For parasiites and malaria the 1000 times,

plus stains- is something that shows abnormalities, the 400 times

just gives you a tip on large or small red cells.Anyways the only

thing that works for me is HARD dosing of tough drugs; cause the

mess created to the body is real, and ugly.

Anyway's I don't care for them and didn't even bother trying to find

there new location which was only down the road from the lab I would

frequently visit.But I do recall something exciting which was

speaking to someone at another lab I didn't have much to do with,

who new all about sinus bacteria and it's huge impact on health. So

it was starting to infiltrate the system, 'cause there's no way any

lab turns what they call a contaminant into a pathogen easily.

> Dear Tony

> The kit is of no consequence, the cost was no consideration( at

the time I had no income , the cost of the tests was around the

thousand dollar mark and the collection kit costs, a few dollars).

The real costs were associated with the medical practitioners

subscription to the Newcastle groups advisory service whereby the

Newcastle group would interpret the test results ( for a fee) to the

Dr in terms of treatments and further testing. My GP would not come

at the price asked (although he had a number of patients who had

privately undergone the testing). No other Drs in the local area

subscribed either (as far as I can ascertain) , even though a number

continued to see patients who had been tested ( using their own

limited expertise of test interpretation).

> The real problem was that the Newcastle group, I believe, wished

to keep their findings ( unpatented and probably unpatentable)

commercially in confidence until they had patented them. There was

a significant lack of take up by the medical profession and the

continued secrecy further dampened enthusiasm by the paying patients

( who were in fact, subsidising further research). Insult was added

to injury by Bioscreen selling supplements which their protocols

might suggest were useful, at greatly inflated prices.This practice

was reprehensible on two counts at least, firstly , on the basis of

profiteering, second in the absence of test result interpretation,

the supplements may well have been useless. The combination of these

factors tended to suggest, in the minds of thinking patients, that

the whole thing was a ripoff.

> There is no doubt that the Newcastle group were dealt a foul blow

by the psychiatrically inclined National Health and Medical Research

Council which controlled a great deal of funding . Repeated

applications for funding were refused in favour of a major study

of " depression " in sufferers of Q Fever lead by a CBT proponent.

Had the Newcastle group been able to fund further research by

sources other than patient contributions , they may have been able

to enter a meaningful dialogue with patient support groups which may

have salvaged their reputations.

> The present feeling is probably in the area of " I wouldn't piss

on them if they were on fire " or worse. This is tragic as they are

just as much victims of the system as the patients who bear the

brunt of it.

> Regards

> Windsor

> [infections] Re: info on sinus bacteria

>

> I also think richard is talking about a kit they supply to your

> doctor that has to be paid by his medical group due to the high

cost

> of supplying anaerobic sample gathering equipment.

July 26, 2005

I do reacll something like- 80 dollar charge to your doctor

for there kit? BAsically there information gathering paraphenalia,

plus there lab testing supplies (multi patient).Virtually something

to bring your doctor online to do there tests. I think they were

trying to create a doctor base that was willing to work closer with

them.