RE: Re: info on sinus bacteria

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Hello again , Yes! now you mention it , the specific fungi are not mentioned ! I'll see if I can dig something up......"Toxins in the gut" yes more than 70 toxins have been identified from a yeast infection...the main immune modulating toxin is called gliotoxin you can read more on that here ...http://www.altcorp.com/AffinityLaboratory/fungistudies.htm

I'm sure fungal pathogens play an important role in our illness..some unholy symbiotic relationship is at work ..the good news is I think Rx antifungals are duel & work against spirochetes .

Toxins from pathogenic gut microbes in my opinion are the major obstacle to healing ...Most develop gut problems .."dysbiosis" the amount of drugs we take will not eradicate the substantial amount of pathogens in the gut ..as part of our treatment we need an antiseptic flush of the gut ..then repopulate with suitable probiotics ..And those will not be over the counter stuff ..healthy persons faecal material will do the trick.as will a culture with colostrum from a healthy mother [hopfully]

Forgot to say, the green colour is actually pus , phagocytes or engulfing cells do just that engulf the invading pathogenic cells ,that done die along with the invading pathogen they collect at the site of infection ,

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus area and> later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the outside of the> cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with very clear> tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that chlamydia> bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head, also at> the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of these> tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or comments, I need> to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > > > > >

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Tony , once again your making sweeping statements...If it's not shouting that yeast changes into bacteria it's ridiculing what you call articles that are in fact clinical studies ...You write "possibly hasn't swabbed a rats arse" The unfortunate thing is your serious ! do you know the scientific requirements involved in a major study such as the Mayo sinusitis study ...Do you think they leave things to chance, Do you think its such a half baked undertaking that when the finding are examined holes big enough to walkthrough will be found ...No.. fact is the study was published 5 years ago ...results have been replicated ...no holes have been found ...

Sorry to say but your a backroom amateur with little knowledge.... you fail to interpret correctly what your observing .. The saying is very true "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"...

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus area and> later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the outside of the> cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with very clear> tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that chlamydia> bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head, also at> the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of these> tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or comments, I need> to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > > > > >

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Tony , My gut feeling is ,your raving! you give advice as if you are an authority ,your not, I have seen senior ENT's , I have seen senior Mycologists , I have been prescribed Rx Antifungals for sinus infections, guess what they work!! I know a man doesn't hack it for me ...get the theory ,test the theory ..then form an opinion

BTW how do you explain away the success of Amph B in treating chronic sinusitis?.. and just out of interest what methods & what results would you be looking for when testing for fungal pathogens .... & please dont tell me how to think ...

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> >> >> > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus> area and> > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the outside> of the> > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with very> clear> > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that> chlamydia> > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head, also> at> > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of these> > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or comments,> I need> > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> >> >> >> >> >> >

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Tony You write "Do you have the faintest idea how to get to the top microbiologist in your state? Well yes really, my daughter is a microbiologist or very nearly..I do ask question regularly

"Fungus's turn up in culture plates"

Thought so! to test for fungi a special agar is required Sabourand dextrose agar is one the agar has nutriments designed to promote fungal growth the agar also contains powerful antibiotics to ensue only fungi grow ..the plates are incubated at 30c[mem] for at least 30 days

In microbiology interpreting what you observe is very much an acquired skill , Testing methods appropriate to the pathogen tested for are crucially important .contamination is a problem , mycoplasmal bacteria is a major contaminant, In short to draw conclusions on what you observe takes years of experience and thats with formal training as a micrbiologist ..Fungi turning up in bacterial culture plates have no significance.

You still havnt explained why Amph B is so effective in treating Chronic sinusitus...

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> > >> > >> > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus> > area and> > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the> outside> > of the> > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with> very> > clear> > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that> > chlamydia> > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head,> also> > at> > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of> these> > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or> comments,> > I need> > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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Jill ,you obviously do not read my posts ,I've been posting that Rx Antifungal are effective against CWD bacteria for months ...the info you've provided that AF's are effective against malarial parasites is another insight inrto what may be happening... It pisses me off too that little no research is underway , It's clear that we on this group are at the cutting edge,

Schardt reports that Diflucan is working through the p450 enzyme pathway ...I think that Lamisil is effective against CWD bacteria , Lamisil has a different mode of action to Diflucan ...if it is effective, then it's likely that it works directly on the pathogen ... we need to know ..with your additional info the chances are that the drugs work directly on the pathogen ,with luck against the vulnerable cell wall ...It's tricky but we need someone with overt symptoms of "Lyme" to try Lamisil , Its tricky because the drugs just maybe working against a fungal element of our infection!!! you could in theory prove either with the drug ...an existing fungal infection or lyme depending on the patient..

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> > >> > >> > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus> > area and> > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the> outside> > of the> > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with> very> > clear> > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that> > chlamydia> > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head,> also> > at> > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of> these> > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or> comments,> > I need> > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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Thanks , keep us informed on progress or otherwise , what dose are you on ...Have you tested for inflammation [C reactive protein] Have you considered ARB's ?..

[infections] info on sinus> bacteria> > > >> > > >> > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the> sinus> > > area and> > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the> > outside> > > of the> > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with> > very> > > clear> > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know> that> > > chlamydia> > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons> head,> > also> > > at> > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause> of> > these> > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or> > comments,> > > I need> > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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Antifungals in general have a very good safety profile...most of us need to consider the toxins generated by yeast & co-infections that come as standard with our infection ...toxins together with drugs place a considerable load on our liver ..then there's always the chance that you liver is infected ... all things for the melting pot..Happy day's ..

[infections] info on sinus> bacteria> > > >> > > >> > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the> sinus> > > area and> > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the> > outside> > > of the> > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with> > very> > > clear> > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know> that> > > chlamydia> > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons> head,> > also> > > at> > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause> of> > these> > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or> > comments,> > > I need> > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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The pub med study I provided...Oh, but wait a bit ...Pub med extracts are crap , right? listen to us the back room boys ...I see, I'm getting the hang of this ..

[infections] info on sinus> bacteria> > > >> > > >> > > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the> sinus> > > area and> > > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the> > outside> > > of the> > > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person> with> > very> > > clear> > > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know> that> > > chlamydia> > > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons> head,> > also> > > at> > > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause> of> > these> > > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or> > comments,> > > I need> > > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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Dear

The Newcastle Group appear to be temporarily belly up at the moment, the link through the Canberra Fibromyalgia page http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au indicates future activity. A search done on CPRUIS ( Collaborative Pain Research), the original Uni program, shows no current sites. A search on Bioscreen, the commercial spinoff from the CPRUIS work shows no active presence.

I had the Bioscreen testing done several years ago, however I was unable to find any Dr who would or could interpret the results. Bioscreen at that time would not release the names of participating doctors and the charges they levied to doctors to participate in their support network appeared to be significantly high in that they do not appear to have recruited more than a handful. Consequently they appear to have fallen in a hole of their own digging.

Regards

Windsor

[infections] info on sinus bacteria> > >> > >> > > I need info on a bacteria or fungus that starts in the sinus> > area and> > > later can be seen as bacterial tracks that run down the > outside> > of the> > > cheeks. I seen a 1938 medical movie showing a person with > very> > clear> > > tracks that ran down the outside of his cheeks. I know that> > chlamydia> > > bacteria can set up as cysts on the side of a persons head, > also> > at> > > the base of the spine. could this bacteria be the cause of > these> > > tracks, growing down the cheeks. anyone with info or > comments,> > I need> > > to hear your thoughts. Jimd> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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Dear Tony

The kit is of no consequence, the cost was no consideration( at the time I had no income , the cost of the tests was around the thousand dollar mark and the collection kit costs, a few dollars). The real costs were associated with the medical practitioners subscription to the Newcastle groups advisory service whereby the Newcastle group would interpret the test results ( for a fee) to the Dr in terms of treatments and further testing. My GP would not come at the price asked (although he had a number of patients who had privately undergone the testing). No other Drs in the local area subscribed either (as far as I can ascertain) , even though a number continued to see patients who had been tested ( using their own limited expertise of test interpretation).

The real problem was that the Newcastle group, I believe, wished to keep their findings ( unpatented and probably unpatentable) commercially in confidence until they had patented them. There was a significant lack of take up by the medical profession and the continued secrecy further dampened enthusiasm by the paying patients ( who were in fact, subsidising further research). Insult was added to injury by Bioscreen selling supplements which their protocols might suggest were useful, at greatly inflated prices.This practice was reprehensible on two counts at least, firstly , on the basis of profiteering, second in the absence of test result interpretation, the supplements may well have been useless. The combination of these factors tended to suggest, in the minds of thinking patients, that the whole thing was a ripoff.

There is no doubt that the Newcastle group were dealt a foul blow by the psychiatrically inclined National Health and Medical Research Council which controlled a great deal of funding . Repeated applications for funding were refused in favour of a major study of " depression" in sufferers of Q Fever lead by a CBT proponent. Had the Newcastle group been able to fund further research by sources other than patient contributions , they may have been able to enter a meaningful dialogue with patient support groups which may have salvaged their reputations.

The present feeling is probably in the area of " I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire" or worse. This is tragic as they are just as much victims of the system as the patients who bear the brunt of it.

Regards

Windsor

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I also think richard is talking about a kit they supply to your doctor that has to be paid by his medical group due to the high cost of supplying anaerobic sample gathering equipment.

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Thanks Tony

I am going to have to take a leaf out of your book and do my own lab work. You don't by any chance , know of the possible source for a lampholder for a Nilkon Model SK-E microscope. I've tried eBay without success but haven't had a real hard look otherwise.

Regards

Windsor

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, I'm hearing you. I do recall they only gave time for a doctor to ring up on a monday.