Re: Preparing for Bodybuilding Contest

[Guest guest]

> Hello all.

>

> I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in a bodybuilding

> contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses and priorities of

> youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally doing it. I've

> hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by October (roughly 15

> weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every three hours (which

> I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm getting sweats after I

> eat. Is that because of the extra work my digestive system is doing ?

> Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill with 3 meals),

> CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to add that may help me..>>

****

First and foremost, congratulations for your decision to compete as you've

always dreamt. Secondly, as you told your digestive system is doing some

work and the word " extra " is correct if the calories intake of each of

your meals has been increased in order to give you more calories to

nourish your muscles. Besides, I guess your meals are pretty high in

protein and the thermic effect of protein is much higher than both carbs

and fats. Between 20 - 25% of the calories which come from protein are

needed for the stomach to digest them and finally absorbed through the

small intestine.

Regarding your supplementation, I am pretty sure you're going to use the

Celltech only after your training session because it'd be crazy to use it

in any other moment of the day....anyway according to the latest research

there are better ways to exploit the 2-hour favourable window following

high intensity exercise. In my humble opinion it'd be better a source of

carbohydrate (0.8g/Kg) and hydrolised proteins (0.4g/kg) if you're in a

bulky period or 0.4g/Kg of carbs and 0.2g/kg of proteins if u r under a

controlled carbs diet regimen (Dr. Berardi).

The NO Explode seems to be awesome and I think it could be great also both

prior and post exercise, much like the Dymatize's Xpand. Eventually in

combination with a source of carbohydrate to help your muscle to be

replenished of glycogen as fast as possible. In this case i'd suggest you

to try the Pure Vitargo that is a high molecular weight carbohydrate which

seems to be able to refill glycogen much faster than both Dextrose and

Maltodextrin. Alternatively a blend composed of 60% Dextrose and 40%

Maltodextrin.

Anyway, you need to discuss about your supplementation with your trainer

since she's being paid to help you to get your peak form ;-)

I hope I didn't confuse you....all the best,

Luca Cardilli

Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

[Guest guest]

Dan I would love to help you out but unfortunately I lack knowledge

in that area, I deal more with athletes trying to gain mass. But

please let me know what you are doing (training and diet) because I

am thinking about bodybuilding myself. I have always lifted for

size and strength as a college football player and want to get all

angles of exercise and training. Sorry I can't help but Good luck!

Neal

Hattiesburg USA

>

> Hello all.

>

> I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in a bodybuilding

> contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses and priorities of

> youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally doing it. I've

> hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by October (roughly 15

> weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every three hours

(which

> I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm getting sweats

after I

> eat. Is that because of the extra work my digestive system is

doing ?

> Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill with 3 meals),

> CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to add that may help

me

> ? Thanks in advance.

>

> Dan Heffley

> Las Vegas, NV

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Luca.

Your advice is invaluable. I didn't know about the

thermal qualities of the protein. And you're right,

I'm eating protein like crazy (this coming after my 4

eggwhite vegetable omelet this morning :-)

One question, though. Are you saying that I should or

shouldn't take CellTech after high-intensity excercise

? Or that there is something better ? Or that it is a

good source of hydrolised protein and carbohydrate at

any time ? Just a little confused there. Thanks

again for the great advice, help and support !

Dan Heffley

Las Vegas, NV

> > Hello all.

> >

> > I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in a

> bodybuilding

> > contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses

> and priorities of

> > youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally

> doing it. I've

> > hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by

> October (roughly 15

> > weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every

> three hours (which

> > I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm

> getting sweats after I

> > eat. Is that because of the extra work my

> digestive system is doing ?

> > Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill

> with 3 meals),

> > CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to

> add that may help me..>>

--- Luca Cardilli wrote:

> First and foremost, congratulations for your

> decision to compete as you've

> always dreamt. Secondly, as you told your digestive

> system is doing some

> work and the word " extra " is correct if the calories

> intake of each of

> your meals has been increased in order to give you

> more calories to

> nourish your muscles. Besides, I guess your meals

> are pretty high in

> protein and the thermic effect of protein is much

> higher than both carbs

> and fats. Between 20 - 25% of the calories which

> come from protein are

> needed for the stomach to digest them and finally

> absorbed through the

> small intestine.

>

> Regarding your supplementation, I am pretty sure

> you're going to use the

> Celltech only after your training session because

> it'd be crazy to use it

> in any other moment of the day....anyway according

> to the latest research

> there are better ways to exploit the 2-hour

> favourable window following

> high intensity exercise. In my humble opinion it'd

> be better a source of

> carbohydrate (0.8g/Kg) and hydrolised proteins

> (0.4g/kg) if you're in a

> bulky period or 0.4g/Kg of carbs and 0.2g/kg of

> proteins if u r under a

> controlled carbs diet regimen (Dr. Berardi).

>

> The NO Explode seems to be awesome and I think it

> could be great also both

> prior and post exercise, much like the Dymatize's

> Xpand. Eventually in

> combination with a source of carbohydrate to help

> your muscle to be

> replenished of glycogen as fast as possible. In this

> case i'd suggest you

> to try the Pure Vitargo that is a high molecular

> weight carbohydrate which

> seems to be able to refill glycogen much faster than

> both Dextrose and

> Maltodextrin. Alternatively a blend composed of 60%

> Dextrose and 40%

> Maltodextrin.

>

> Anyway, you need to discuss about your

> supplementation with your trainer

> since she's being paid to help you to get your peak

> form ;-)

>

> I hope I didn't confuse you....all the best,

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

What I would like you understand is pretty simple, let's analyse the Cell

Tech's ingredients:

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories: 320

Total Carbohydrates: 75 g 25%

-Dietary Fiber: 0 g 0%

-Sugars: 75 g

Vitamin C: 250 mg 417%

Phosphorus: 180 mg 18%

Magnesium: 70 mg 18%

Chromium: 250 mcg 208%

Sodium: 140 mg 6%

Potassium: 150 mg 4%

Crea-Edge: 10 g

(Creatine monohydrate, Creatine anhydrous, Dicreatine malate, Creatine

alpha-ketoglutarate)

SMG: 2.5 g

(Taurine, Betaine HCl, L-glutamine alpha-ketoglutarate)

Lipoic-Tech: 200 mg

Alpha lipoic Acid

Ingredients:

Dextrose, malic acid, red beet powder, natural and artificial flavors,

calcium silicate (as anticaking agent), purple color flecks (gum arabic,

FD & C Red No.3, FD & C Blue No.1), FD & C Blue No.2.

Ok, there's nothing new and to be honest this formulation is pretty old if

compared that of the NO Explode, that's amazing.

Let's have a look to the NO Explode formulation as well:

Calories: 36

-Calories From Fat: 0

Total Fat: 0g

-Saturated Fat: 0g

Cholesterol: 0mg

Sodium: 150mg

Potassium: 75mg

Total Carbohydrates: 9g

-Sugars: 0g

Protein: 0g

Vitamin B6: 25mg

-(Pyridoxine HCL)

Vitamin B12: 120mcg

-(Cyanocobalamine)

Folic Acid: 400mcg

Magnesium: 360mg

Phosphorus: 500mg

Calcium: 75mg

NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg

(NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient suspension matrix &

Efforsorb Delivery System)

NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)

(L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate), L-citrulline AKG,

L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%), gynostemma pentaphyllum (95%

gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide)

Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)

CEM3 (creatine ethyl ester malate), 2CM (dicreatine malate), Betapure

(trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine), GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic

acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract), keto-isocaproate potassium

Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)

L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone), l-tyrosine AKG,

methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain triglycerides),

vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%

Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer

Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium phosphate, sodium phosphate

Glycerol Hydrating Polymers

Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate

What is really very important is the amount of carbohydrates per serving,

75 grams of Dextrose for the Cell tech and only 9 grams come from

maltodextrin for the NO Explode. Besides if you check the directios,

Muscletech suggests to drink one serving twice a day for the 1st week and

then 1 serving after each workout.

The big problem is that you really don't need all these amount of simple

sugars...few years ago it was believed that high doses of dextrose could

facilitate creatine absorption because creatine monohydrate is really poor

absorbed if compared with other types of creatine such as tri-creatine

malate and the best creatine ethyl-estere that's over 90% absorbed.

As you can see Creatine ethyl-estere malate is one of the many ingredients

which compose NO Explode.

Now, if you want to take your cell tech, ignore the muscletech suggestions

and take it only imeediately after your workout, since there's a 2hour

period of time after a workout during which your muscles are leterally

starving for nutrients in order to replenish your muscle glycogen stores.

My suggestion: take one serving of cell tech immediately after your

workout, then if you're on a bulky diet regimen, take 0.8g/kg of

carbohydrate with 0.4g/kg of hydrolised whey protein 45 - 60 minutes

later.

Consuming a protein meal immediately after the cell tech might give

problems with the former absorpion.

Otherwise, if you choose to take the NO Explode also as a postworkout

recovery drink, take 1 serving mixed with 0.8g/kg of Pure Vitargo

immediately after the end of the weight lifting session and a protein

drink (the same suggested above) 45 - 60 mins later.

Don't ever forget that's very important to keep the insulin level as

stable as possible because too many variations during of such a hormone

throughout the day can give problems, you're on a bulky diet regimen and

high insulin levels caould get you fatter....

Do you take something as a pre-workout drink or meal? What is your body

weight, body fat and lean body mass percentage and what method did u use

to find it out?

If you need any tips on nutrition, supplementation and training programs

you can count on me. I'm not a scientist but I've been doing lots of

research on how to improve human performance in a natural way for a while.

I'm doing experiments on myself :-) that I'll use for my academic project.

Cheers,

Luca Cardilli

Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

> Thank you so much, Luca.

>

> Your advice is invaluable. I didn't know about the

> thermal qualities of the protein. And you're right,

> I'm eating protein like crazy (this coming after my 4

> eggwhite vegetable omelet this morning :-)

>

> One question, though. Are you saying that I should or

> shouldn't take CellTech after high-intensity excercise

> ? Or that there is something better ? Or that it is a

> good source of hydrolised protein and carbohydrate at

> any time ? Just a little confused there. Thanks

> again for the great advice, help and support !

>

> Dan Heffley

> Las Vegas, NV

>

>> > Hello all.

>> >

>> > I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in a

>> bodybuilding

>> > contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses

>> and priorities of

>> > youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally

>> doing it. I've

>> > hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by

>> October (roughly 15

>> > weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every

>> three hours (which

>> > I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm

>> getting sweats after I

>> > eat. Is that because of the extra work my

>> digestive system is doing ?

>> > Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill

>> with 3 meals),

>> > CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to

>> add that may help me..>>

>

>

> --- Luca Cardilli wrote:

>

>> First and foremost, congratulations for your

>> decision to compete as you've

>> always dreamt. Secondly, as you told your digestive

>> system is doing some

>> work and the word " extra " is correct if the calories

>> intake of each of

>> your meals has been increased in order to give you

>> more calories to

>> nourish your muscles. Besides, I guess your meals

>> are pretty high in

>> protein and the thermic effect of protein is much

>> higher than both carbs

>> and fats. Between 20 - 25% of the calories which

>> come from protein are

>> needed for the stomach to digest them and finally

>> absorbed through the

>> small intestine.

>>

>> Regarding your supplementation, I am pretty sure

>> you're going to use the

>> Celltech only after your training session because

>> it'd be crazy to use it

>> in any other moment of the day....anyway according

>> to the latest research

>> there are better ways to exploit the 2-hour

>> favourable window following

>> high intensity exercise. In my humble opinion it'd

>> be better a source of

>> carbohydrate (0.8g/Kg) and hydrolised proteins

>> (0.4g/kg) if you're in a

>> bulky period or 0.4g/Kg of carbs and 0.2g/kg of

>> proteins if u r under a

>> controlled carbs diet regimen (Dr. Berardi).

>>

>> The NO Explode seems to be awesome and I think it

>> could be great also both

>> prior and post exercise, much like the Dymatize's

>> Xpand. Eventually in

>> combination with a source of carbohydrate to help

>> your muscle to be

>> replenished of glycogen as fast as possible. In this

>> case i'd suggest you

>> to try the Pure Vitargo that is a high molecular

>> weight carbohydrate which

>> seems to be able to refill glycogen much faster than

>> both Dextrose and

>> Maltodextrin. Alternatively a blend composed of 60%

>> Dextrose and 40%

>> Maltodextrin.

>>

>> Anyway, you need to discuss about your

>> supplementation with your trainer

>> since she's being paid to help you to get your peak

>> form ;-)

>>

>> I hope I didn't confuse you....all the best,

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Don't waste your money on the NO products. They only thing they help put size on

is the supplement

companies profits. Read the article on NO supplements by Ellen , RD, MA,

MPH at

http://baye.com/articles/nitric_oxide_supplements.html

Your body temperature is naturally slightly higher after eating. Apparently,

meals higher in protein

have an even greater effect on this. Google postprandial thermogenesis for more

info.

Drew Baye

Altamonte Springs, FL

Overload Personal Training

www.overloadfitness.com

High Intensity Training

www.baye.com

Dan Heffley wrote:

<<<I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in a bodybuilding

contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses and priorities of

youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally doing it. I've

hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by October (roughly 15

weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every three hours (which

I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm getting sweats after I

eat. Is that because of the extra work my digestive system is doing ?

Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill with 3 meals),

CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to add that may help me

? Thanks in advance.>>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Drew.

If I don't take the NO, what would you recommend ? It

seems EVERYONE (at the gym, in the stores, etc. take

the NO).

Dan Heffley

Las Vegas, NV

--- Drew Baye wrote:

> Dan,

> Don't waste your money on the NO products. They only

> thing they help put size on is the supplement

> companies profits. Read the article on NO

> supplements by Ellen , RD, MA, MPH at

>

http://baye.com/articles/nitric_oxide_supplements.html

>

> Your body temperature is naturally slightly higher

> after eating. Apparently, meals higher in protein

> have an even greater effect on this. Google

> postprandial thermogenesis for more info.

>

> Drew Baye

> Altamonte Springs, FL

> Overload Personal Training

> www.overloadfitness.com

>

> High Intensity Training

> www.baye.com

>

>

> Dan Heffley wrote:

>

> <<<I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in

> a bodybuilding

> contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses and

> priorities of

> youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally

> doing it. I've

> hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by

> October (roughly 15

> weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every

> three hours (which

> I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm

> getting sweats after I

> eat. Is that because of the extra work my digestive

> system is doing ?

> Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill

> with 3 meals),

> CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to add

> that may help me

> ? Thanks in advance.>>>

[Guest guest]

Beautiful post, Luca ! Thanks a bunch. That does

clear up alot. What I'll do is take the NO Xplode in

a water bottle and take immediately after my workout

and then have my whey protein shake 30 -40 minutes

after. I usually sit in the jacuzzi afterwards, take

a quick dip in the pool to cool off and then hit the

steam room. (I've read in the current M & F that heat

helps right after a workout). Drew (of this board)

posted some information about NO Xplode not living up

to it's hype, but I've got it so I'll use it. Whether

or not I buy more will be based on results. I'll be

sure to post my experience with it.

I'm currently taking the Cell-Tech pre-workout,

sometimes I'll have Twin Lab's UltraFuel, or (I can

hear the groans now) 3 shots of espresso ! I had my

first official weigh-in at 173.6 Pounds (sorry don't

know the kilograms-- 381.92 ?) and 19.6% bodyfat (!!!)

I'm not worried about the bf though, as I used to be

under 5%. I've lost some weight for which I don't

have an explanation so the 173.6 was a surprise to me.

At the end of the first week I am at 178 pounds

(391.6 kg ?), but didn't get to measure my bf. Don't

know the lean body mass, as my trainer used a simple

electro-scale that measures impedence but I look

pretty cut (not competition cut, but I was extremely

surprised about my bf being so high as uninitiated

people looking at me would say I have no body fat).

All of the suggestions you have given are gratefully

accepted and any other light you can shed on how to

make my first competition a success is greatly

appreciated. Thanks again.

Dan Heffley

Las Vegas, NV

--- Luca Cardilli wrote:

> Hi Dan,

>

> What I would like you understand is pretty simple,

> let's analyse the Cell

> Tech's ingredients:

>

> Amount Per Serving:

>

> Total Calories: 320

> Total Carbohydrates: 75 g 25%

> -Dietary Fiber: 0 g 0%

> -Sugars: 75 g

> Vitamin C: 250 mg 417%

> Phosphorus: 180 mg 18%

> Magnesium: 70 mg 18%

> Chromium: 250 mcg 208%

> Sodium: 140 mg 6%

> Potassium: 150 mg 4%

>

> Crea-Edge: 10 g

> (Creatine monohydrate, Creatine anhydrous,

> Dicreatine malate, Creatine

> alpha-ketoglutarate)

>

> SMG: 2.5 g

> (Taurine, Betaine HCl, L-glutamine

> alpha-ketoglutarate)

>

> Lipoic-Tech: 200 mg

> Alpha lipoic Acid

>

> Ingredients:

> Dextrose, malic acid, red beet powder, natural and

> artificial flavors,

> calcium silicate (as anticaking agent), purple color

> flecks (gum arabic,

> FD & C Red No.3, FD & C Blue No.1), FD & C Blue No.2.

>

> Ok, there's nothing new and to be honest this

> formulation is pretty old if

> compared that of the NO Explode, that's amazing.

>

> Let's have a look to the NO Explode formulation as

> well:

>

> Calories: 36

> -Calories From Fat: 0

> Total Fat: 0g

> -Saturated Fat: 0g

> Cholesterol: 0mg

> Sodium: 150mg

> Potassium: 75mg

> Total Carbohydrates: 9g

> -Sugars: 0g

> Protein: 0g

> Vitamin B6: 25mg

> -(Pyridoxine HCL)

> Vitamin B12: 120mcg

> -(Cyanocobalamine)

> Folic Acid: 400mcg

> Magnesium: 360mg

> Phosphorus: 500mg

> Calcium: 75mg

>

> NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg

> (NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient

> suspension matrix &

> Efforsorb Delivery System)

>

> NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)

> (L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate),

> L-citrulline AKG,

> L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%),

> gynostemma pentaphyllum (95%

> gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine

> dinucleotide)

>

> Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)

> CEM3 (creatine ethyl ester malate), 2CM (dicreatine

> malate), Betapure

> (trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine),

> GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic

> acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract),

> keto-isocaproate potassium

>

> Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)

> L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone),

> l-tyrosine AKG,

> methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain

> triglycerides),

> vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%

>

> Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer

> Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium

> phosphate, sodium phosphate

>

> Glycerol Hydrating Polymers

> Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium

> glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate

>

> What is really very important is the amount of

> carbohydrates per serving,

> 75 grams of Dextrose for the Cell tech and only 9

> grams come from

> maltodextrin for the NO Explode. Besides if you

> check the directios,

> Muscletech suggests to drink one serving twice a day

> for the 1st week and

> then 1 serving after each workout.

>

> The big problem is that you really don't need all

> these amount of simple

> sugars...few years ago it was believed that high

> doses of dextrose could

> facilitate creatine absorption because creatine

> monohydrate is really poor

> absorbed if compared with other types of creatine

> such as tri-creatine

> malate and the best creatine ethyl-estere that's

> over 90% absorbed.

>

> As you can see Creatine ethyl-estere malate is one

> of the many ingredients

> which compose NO Explode.

>

> Now, if you want to take your cell tech, ignore the

> muscletech suggestions

> and take it only imeediately after your workout,

> since there's a 2hour

> period of time after a workout during which your

> muscles are leterally

> starving for nutrients in order to replenish your

> muscle glycogen stores.

>

> My suggestion: take one serving of cell tech

> immediately after your

> workout, then if you're on a bulky diet regimen,

> take 0.8g/kg of

> carbohydrate with 0.4g/kg of hydrolised whey protein

> 45 - 60 minutes

> later.

> Consuming a protein meal immediately after the cell

> tech might give

> problems with the former absorpion.

>

> Otherwise, if you choose to take the NO Explode also

> as a postworkout

> recovery drink, take 1 serving mixed with 0.8g/kg of

> Pure Vitargo

> immediately after the end of the weight lifting

> session and a protein

> drink (the same suggested above) 45 - 60 mins later.

>

> Don't ever forget that's very important to keep the

> insulin level as

> stable as possible because too many variations

> during of such a hormone

> throughout the day can give problems, you're on a

> bulky diet regimen and

> high insulin levels caould get you fatter....

>

> Do you take something as a pre-workout drink or

> meal? What is your body

> weight, body fat and lean body mass percentage and

> what method did u use

> to find it out?

>

> If you need any tips on nutrition, supplementation

> and training programs

> you can count on me. I'm not a scientist but I've

> been doing lots of

> research on how to improve human performance in a

> natural way for a while.

>

> I'm doing experiments on myself :-) that I'll use

> for my academic project.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Luca Cardilli

> Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

>

>

> > Thank you so much, Luca.

> >

> > Your advice is invaluable. I didn't know about

> the

> > thermal qualities of the protein. And you're

> right,

> > I'm eating protein like crazy (this coming after

> my 4

> > eggwhite vegetable omelet this morning :-)

> >

> > One question, though. Are you saying that I

> should or

> > shouldn't take CellTech after high-intensity

> excercise

> > ? Or that there is something better ? Or that it

> is a

> > good source of hydrolised protein and carbohydrate

> at

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Luca, great post but I'd like to know ehere about you come across your

information, in particular creatine ethyl-estere malate and its 90% absorption

rate?

Regarding Cell tech - it was developed as a 'second' generation

creatine formula and the original point of all the simple sugars was

to facilitate an insulin response, shuttling the creating into the

muscle cell - these amounts of simple sugars are no longer needed as

when combined with lower amounts of simple CHO and a protein like whey

similar insulin spikes can be created - Another point I disagree with

you on.

A great round up of all things current regarding CHO is here: - (skip

the occasional marketing)

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1085045

NO products are a joke. Plain and simple.

Mick Morrey

Staffordshire,

UK.

> > Hi Dan,

> >

> > What I would like you understand is pretty simple,

> > let's analyse the Cell

> > Tech's ingredients:

> >

> > Amount Per Serving:

> >

> > Total Calories: 320

> > Total Carbohydrates: 75 g 25%

> > -Dietary Fiber: 0 g 0%

> > -Sugars: 75 g

> > Vitamin C: 250 mg 417%

> > Phosphorus: 180 mg 18%

> > Magnesium: 70 mg 18%

> > Chromium: 250 mcg 208%

> > Sodium: 140 mg 6%

> > Potassium: 150 mg 4%

> >

> > Crea-Edge: 10 g

> > (Creatine monohydrate, Creatine anhydrous,

> > Dicreatine malate, Creatine

> > alpha-ketoglutarate)

> >

> > SMG: 2.5 g

> > (Taurine, Betaine HCl, L-glutamine

> > alpha-ketoglutarate)

> >

> > Lipoic-Tech: 200 mg

> > Alpha lipoic Acid

> >

> > Ingredients:

> > Dextrose, malic acid, red beet powder, natural and

> > artificial flavors,

> > calcium silicate (as anticaking agent), purple color

> > flecks (gum arabic,

> > FD & C Red No.3, FD & C Blue No.1), FD & C Blue No.2.

> >

> > Ok, there's nothing new and to be honest this

> > formulation is pretty old if

> > compared that of the NO Explode, that's amazing.

> >

> > Let's have a look to the NO Explode formulation as

> > well:

> >

> > Calories: 36

> > -Calories From Fat: 0

> > Total Fat: 0g

> > -Saturated Fat: 0g

> > Cholesterol: 0mg

> > Sodium: 150mg

> > Potassium: 75mg

> > Total Carbohydrates: 9g

> > -Sugars: 0g

> > Protein: 0g

> > Vitamin B6: 25mg

> > -(Pyridoxine HCL)

> > Vitamin B12: 120mcg

> > -(Cyanocobalamine)

> > Folic Acid: 400mcg

> > Magnesium: 360mg

> > Phosphorus: 500mg

> > Calcium: 75mg

> >

> > NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg

> > (NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient

> > suspension matrix &

> > Efforsorb Delivery System)

> >

> > NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)

> > (L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate),

> > L-citrulline AKG,

> > L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%),

> > gynostemma pentaphyllum (95%

> > gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine

> > dinucleotide)

> >

> > Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)

> > CEM3 (creatine ethyl ester malate), 2CM (dicreatine

> > malate), Betapure

> > (trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine),

> > GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic

> > acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract),

> > keto-isocaproate potassium

> >

> > Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)

> > L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone),

> > l-tyrosine AKG,

> > methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain

> > triglycerides),

> > vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%

> >

> > Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer

> > Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium

> > phosphate, sodium phosphate

> >

> > Glycerol Hydrating Polymers

> > Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium

> > glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate

> >

> > What is really very important is the amount of

> > carbohydrates per serving,

> > 75 grams of Dextrose for the Cell tech and only 9

> > grams come from

> > maltodextrin for the NO Explode. Besides if you

> > check the directios,

> > Muscletech suggests to drink one serving twice a day

> > for the 1st week and

> > then 1 serving after each workout.

> >

> > The big problem is that you really don't need all

> > these amount of simple

> > sugars...few years ago it was believed that high

> > doses of dextrose could

> > facilitate creatine absorption because creatine

> > monohydrate is really poor

> > absorbed if compared with other types of creatine

> > such as tri-creatine

> > malate and the best creatine ethyl-estere that's

> > over 90% absorbed.

> >

> > As you can see Creatine ethyl-estere malate is one

> > of the many ingredients

> > which compose NO Explode.

> >

> > Now, if you want to take your cell tech, ignore the

> > muscletech suggestions

> > and take it only imeediately after your workout,

> > since there's a 2hour

> > period of time after a workout during which your

> > muscles are leterally

> > starving for nutrients in order to replenish your

> > muscle glycogen stores.

> >

> > My suggestion: take one serving of cell tech

> > immediately after your

> > workout, then if you're on a bulky diet regimen,

> > take 0.8g/kg of

> > carbohydrate with 0.4g/kg of hydrolised whey protein

> > 45 - 60 minutes

> > later.

> > Consuming a protein meal immediately after the cell

> > tech might give

> > problems with the former absorpion.

> >

> > Otherwise, if you choose to take the NO Explode also

> > as a postworkout

> > recovery drink, take 1 serving mixed with 0.8g/kg of

> > Pure Vitargo

> > immediately after the end of the weight lifting

> > session and a protein

> > drink (the same suggested above) 45 - 60 mins later.

> >

> > Don't ever forget that's very important to keep the

> > insulin level as

> > stable as possible because too many variations

> > during of such a hormone

> > throughout the day can give problems, you're on a

> > bulky diet regimen and

> > high insulin levels caould get you fatter....

> >

> > Do you take something as a pre-workout drink or

> > meal? What is your body

> > weight, body fat and lean body mass percentage and

> > what method did u use

> > to find it out?

> >

> > If you need any tips on nutrition, supplementation

> > and training programs

> > you can count on me. I'm not a scientist but I've

> > been doing lots of

> > research on how to improve human performance in a

> > natural way for a while.

> >

> > I'm doing experiments on myself :-) that I'll use

> > for my academic project.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Luca Cardilli

> > Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

[Guest guest]

Dominick,

Other than meal replacements, creatine, and fish oil, there are very few

supplements I would bother

with. Few of them perform as advertised, and most do nothing more than give you

very expensive

urine.

Drew Baye

Altamonte Springs, FL

Overload Personal Training

www.overloadfitness.com

High Intensity Training

www.baye.com

Re: Preparing for Bodybuilding Contest

> Thanks, Drew.

>

> If I don't take the NO, what would you recommend ? It

> seems EVERYONE (at the gym, in the stores, etc. take

> the NO).

>

> Dan Heffley

> Las Vegas, NV

>

> --- Drew Baye wrote:

>

> > Dan,

> > Don't waste your money on the NO products. They only

> > thing they help put size on is the supplement

> > companies profits. Read the article on NO

> > supplements by Ellen , RD, MA, MPH at

> >

> http://baye.com/articles/nitric_oxide_supplements.html

> >

> > Your body temperature is naturally slightly higher

> > after eating. Apparently, meals higher in protein

> > have an even greater effect on this. Google

> > postprandial thermogenesis for more info.

> >

> > Drew Baye

> > Altamonte Springs, FL

> > Overload Personal Training

> > www.overloadfitness.com

> >

> > High Intensity Training

> > www.baye.com

> >

> >

> > Dan Heffley wrote:

> >

> > <<<I'm nearly 44 years old and have wanted to be in

> > a bodybuilding

> > contest for nearly 25 years. Well, the excesses and

> > priorities of

> > youth outweighed that dream, but now I am finally

> > doing it. I've

> > hired a trainer and she says I'll be ready by

> > October (roughly 15

> > weeks). My question is, she's got me eating every

> > three hours (which

> > I love to eat and I'm naturally lean). But I'm

> > getting sweats after I

> > eat. Is that because of the extra work my digestive

> > system is doing ?

> > Also, I just started taking Axis (only one pill

> > with 3 meals),

> > CellTech and NoXplode. Anybody have anything to add

> > that may help me

> > ? Thanks in advance.>>>

[Guest guest]

Well done Dan, if you could tell us what kind of macronutrients partition you

are following right now, it'd be much appreciated by all of us in order to

give you more reliable advice. Then, what I'm saying now and I hope

everyone here will agree...is that you don't trust scale measures for body

fat percentage! Never, ever do it lol! The simplest and most

economic way to measure your bodyfat percentage (even if not extremely

accurate) is skinfold caliper measures to be taken.

Regarding sport supplements....there are very few that can be considered

truly useful, it's only a matter of business for supplement companies.

Personally I had " good resuls " with the Dymatize's Xpand during my

ketogenic diet and for " good results " I mean I felt a little more energy,

no pump can be expected on a ketogenic diet with such low levels of muscle

glycogen.

I wouldn't use Cell tech prior to workout anyway, but it's only a personal

choice. All the dextrose in it (75g) will create a quick spike on your

insulin levels but the feeling to be plenty of energy should not last

enough and reactive hypoglycaemia might occurs leaving you tired.

Good choice to take a protein drink 40 mins later but taking Carbs and

proteins in a ratio 2:1 is the best choice (scientifically supported).

To work out your body weight in Kg it's enough that you divide your weight

in Lbs by 2.2, it means that if your body weight is 173.6 lbs you're 78.9

kg

(now i'm 70.5 kg at 9.8%...very slender lol). Regarding your weight loss

one of the possible explanations might be that you are on a controlled carb

diet and the amount of weight loss is from water.

Finally, congratulations for being able to get a 5% body fat percentage :-)

Cheers,

Luca Cardilli

Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

----------

Beautiful post, Luca ! Thanks a bunch. That does

> clear up alot. What I'll do is take the NO Xplode in

> a water bottle and take immediately after my workout

> and then have my whey protein shake 30 -40 minutes

> after. I usually sit in the jacuzzi afterwards, take

> a quick dip in the pool to cool off and then hit the

> steam room. (I've read in the current M & F that heat

> helps right after a workout). Drew (of this board)

> posted some information about NO Xplode not living up

> to it's hype, but I've got it so I'll use it. Whether

> or not I buy more will be based on results. I'll be

> sure to post my experience with it.

>

> I'm currently taking the Cell-Tech pre-workout,

> sometimes I'll have Twin Lab's UltraFuel, or (I can

> hear the groans now) 3 shots of espresso ! I had my

> first official weigh-in at 173.6 Pounds (sorry don't

> know the kilograms-- 381.92 ?) and 19.6% bodyfat (!!!)

> I'm not worried about the bf though, as I used to be

> under 5%. I've lost some weight for which I don't

> have an explanation so the 173.6 was a surprise to me.

> At the end of the first week I am at 178 pounds

> (391.6 kg ?), but didn't get to measure my bf. Don't

> know the lean body mass, as my trainer used a simple

> electro-scale that measures impedence but I look

> pretty cut (not competition cut, but I was extremely

> surprised about my bf being so high as uninitiated

> people looking at me would say I have no body fat).

>

> All of the suggestions you have given are gratefully

> accepted and any other light you can shed on how to

> make my first competition a success is greatly

> appreciated. Thanks again.

>

> Dan Heffley

> Las Vegas, NV

>

> --- Luca Cardilli wrote:

>

>> Hi Dan,

>>

>> What I would like you understand is pretty simple,

>> let's analyse the Cell

>> Tech's ingredients:

>>

>> Amount Per Serving:

>>

>> Total Calories: 320

>> Total Carbohydrates: 75 g 25%

>> -Dietary Fiber: 0 g 0%

>> -Sugars: 75 g

>> Vitamin C: 250 mg 417%

>> Phosphorus: 180 mg 18%

>> Magnesium: 70 mg 18%

>> Chromium: 250 mcg 208%

>> Sodium: 140 mg 6%

>> Potassium: 150 mg 4%

>>

>> Crea-Edge: 10 g

>> (Creatine monohydrate, Creatine anhydrous,

>> Dicreatine malate, Creatine

>> alpha-ketoglutarate)

>>

>> SMG: 2.5 g

>> (Taurine, Betaine HCl, L-glutamine

>> alpha-ketoglutarate)

>>

>> Lipoic-Tech: 200 mg

>> Alpha lipoic Acid

>>

>> Ingredients:

>> Dextrose, malic acid, red beet powder, natural and

>> artificial flavors,

>> calcium silicate (as anticaking agent), purple color

>> flecks (gum arabic,

>> FD & C Red No.3, FD & C Blue No.1), FD & C Blue No.2.

>>

>> Ok, there's nothing new and to be honest this

>> formulation is pretty old if

>> compared that of the NO Explode, that's amazing.

>>

>> Let's have a look to the NO Explode formulation as

>> well:

>>

>> Calories: 36

>> -Calories From Fat: 0

>> Total Fat: 0g

>> -Saturated Fat: 0g

>> Cholesterol: 0mg

>> Sodium: 150mg

>> Potassium: 75mg

>> Total Carbohydrates: 9g

>> -Sugars: 0g

>> Protein: 0g

>> Vitamin B6: 25mg

>> -(Pyridoxine HCL)

>> Vitamin B12: 120mcg

>> -(Cyanocobalamine)

>> Folic Acid: 400mcg

>> Magnesium: 360mg

>> Phosphorus: 500mg

>> Calcium: 75mg

>>

>> NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg

>> (NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient

>> suspension matrix &

>> Efforsorb Delivery System)

>>

>> NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)

>> (L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate),

>> L-citrulline AKG,

>> L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%),

>> gynostemma pentaphyllum (95%

>> gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine

>> dinucleotide)

>>

>> Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)

>> CEM3 (creatine ethyl ester malate), 2CM (dicreatine

>> malate), Betapure

>> (trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine),

>> GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic

>> acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract),

>> keto-isocaproate potassium

>>

>> Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)

>> L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone),

>> l-tyrosine AKG,

>> methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain

>> triglycerides),

>> vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%

>>

>> Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer

>> Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium

>> phosphate, sodium phosphate

>>

>> Glycerol Hydrating Polymers

>> Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium

>> glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate

>>

>> What is really very important is the amount of

>> carbohydrates per serving,

>> 75 grams of Dextrose for the Cell tech and only 9

>> grams come from

>> maltodextrin for the NO Explode. Besides if you

>> check the directios,

>> Muscletech suggests to drink one serving twice a day

>> for the 1st week and

>> then 1 serving after each workout.

>>

>> The big problem is that you really don't need all

>> these amount of simple

>> sugars...few years ago it was believed that high

>> doses of dextrose could

>> facilitate creatine absorption because creatine

>> monohydrate is really poor

>> absorbed if compared with other types of creatine

>> such as tri-creatine

>> malate and the best creatine ethyl-estere that's

>> over 90% absorbed.

>>

>> As you can see Creatine ethyl-estere malate is one

>> of the many ingredients

>> which compose NO Explode.

>>

>> Now, if you want to take your cell tech, ignore the

>> muscletech suggestions

>> and take it only imeediately after your workout,

>> since there's a 2hour

>> period of time after a workout during which your

>> muscles are leterally

>> starving for nutrients in order to replenish your

>> muscle glycogen stores.

>>

>> My suggestion: take one serving of cell tech

>> immediately after your

>> workout, then if you're on a bulky diet regimen,

>> take 0.8g/kg of

>> carbohydrate with 0.4g/kg of hydrolised whey protein

>> 45 - 60 minutes

>> later.

>> Consuming a protein meal immediately after the cell

>> tech might give

>> problems with the former absorpion.

>>

>> Otherwise, if you choose to take the NO Explode also

>> as a postworkout

>> recovery drink, take 1 serving mixed with 0.8g/kg of

>> Pure Vitargo

>> immediately after the end of the weight lifting

>> session and a protein

>> drink (the same suggested above) 45 - 60 mins later.

>>

>> Don't ever forget that's very important to keep the

>> insulin level as

>> stable as possible because too many variations

>> during of such a hormone

>> throughout the day can give problems, you're on a

>> bulky diet regimen and

>> high insulin levels caould get you fatter....

>>

>> Do you take something as a pre-workout drink or

>> meal? What is your body

>> weight, body fat and lean body mass percentage and

>> what method did u use

>> to find it out?

>>

>> If you need any tips on nutrition, supplementation

>> and training programs

>> you can count on me. I'm not a scientist but I've

>> been doing lots of

>> research on how to improve human performance in a

>> natural way for a while.

>>

>> I'm doing experiments on myself :-) that I'll use

>> for my academic project.

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> Luca Cardilli

>> Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

>>

>>

>> > Thank you so much, Luca.

>> >

>> > Your advice is invaluable. I didn't know about

>> the

>> > thermal qualities of the protein. And you're

>> right,

>> > I'm eating protein like crazy (this coming after

>> my 4

>> > eggwhite vegetable omelet this morning :-)

>> >

>> > One question, though. Are you saying that I

>> should or

>> > shouldn't take CellTech after high-intensity

>> excercise

>> > ? Or that there is something better ? Or that it

>> is a

>> > good source of hydrolised protein and carbohydrate

>> at

>>

> === message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Dominick,

This is my first post on this 'forum' so I hope I have done this

right.

[Mod: Nearly - please ensure you sign your posts with your full name, town and

state/country of residence - thanks]

There are a couple of things I thought might be of help to you.

Firstly, as you have been told NO products aren't great and are

massively overpriced. You could simply purchase the raw ingredients

for a fraction of the price and get the same effect. Even if the

effect has no REAL benefit, I understand it is nice to have

the 'pump' that it gives, and when on reduced CHOs this is even

better.

Secondly, the idea that you can bulk and lose fat whilst on a strict

contest diet is a bit far fetched...unless you are not doing it 'naturally'.

Finally, I would say to 100% focus on getting your BF as low as

possible and just try to be contented with the muscle you have. In

14 weeks you can do a lot, but to place well in a show you will ahve

to knuckle down if you are going to get in 'contest condition.'

Oh, and one last thing...take the cell-tech after training not

before...all those simple CHOs pre-workout (I find) aren't great when

cutting.

Good luck

,

Loughborough, England

>

> > Hi Dan,

> >

> > What I would like you understand is pretty simple,

> > let's analyse the Cell

> > Tech's ingredients:

> >

> > Amount Per Serving:

> >

> > Total Calories: 320

> > Total Carbohydrates: 75 g 25%

> > -Dietary Fiber: 0 g 0%

> > -Sugars: 75 g

> > Vitamin C: 250 mg 417%

> > Phosphorus: 180 mg 18%

> > Magnesium: 70 mg 18%

> > Chromium: 250 mcg 208%

> > Sodium: 140 mg 6%

> > Potassium: 150 mg 4%

> >

> > Crea-Edge: 10 g

> > (Creatine monohydrate, Creatine anhydrous,

> > Dicreatine malate, Creatine

> > alpha-ketoglutarate)

> >

> > SMG: 2.5 g

> > (Taurine, Betaine HCl, L-glutamine

> > alpha-ketoglutarate)

> >

> > Lipoic-Tech: 200 mg

> > Alpha lipoic Acid

> >

> > Ingredients:

> > Dextrose, malic acid, red beet powder, natural and

> > artificial flavors,

> > calcium silicate (as anticaking agent), purple color

> > flecks (gum arabic,

> > FD & C Red No.3, FD & C Blue No.1), FD & C Blue No.2.

> >

> > Ok, there's nothing new and to be honest this

> > formulation is pretty old if

> > compared that of the NO Explode, that's amazing.

> >

> > Let's have a look to the NO Explode formulation as

> > well:

> >

> > Calories: 36

> > -Calories From Fat: 0

> > Total Fat: 0g

> > -Saturated Fat: 0g

> > Cholesterol: 0mg

> > Sodium: 150mg

> > Potassium: 75mg

> > Total Carbohydrates: 9g

> > -Sugars: 0g

> > Protein: 0g

> > Vitamin B6: 25mg

> > -(Pyridoxine HCL)

> > Vitamin B12: 120mcg

> > -(Cyanocobalamine)

> > Folic Acid: 400mcg

> > Magnesium: 360mg

> > Phosphorus: 500mg

> > Calcium: 75mg

> >

> > NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg

> > (NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient

> > suspension matrix &

> > Efforsorb Delivery System)

> >

> > NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)

> > (L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate),

> > L-citrulline AKG,

> > L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%),

> > gynostemma pentaphyllum (95%

> > gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine

> > dinucleotide)

> >

> > Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)

> > CEM3 (creatine ethyl ester malate), 2CM (dicreatine

> > malate), Betapure

> > (trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine),

> > GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic

> > acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract),

> > keto-isocaproate potassium

> >

> > Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)

> > L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone),

> > l-tyrosine AKG,

> > methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain

> > triglycerides),

> > vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%

> >

> > Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer

> > Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium

> > phosphate, sodium phosphate

> >

> > Glycerol Hydrating Polymers

> > Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium

> > glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate

> >

> > What is really very important is the amount of

> > carbohydrates per serving,

> > 75 grams of Dextrose for the Cell tech and only 9

> > grams come from

> > maltodextrin for the NO Explode. Besides if you

> > check the directios,

> > Muscletech suggests to drink one serving twice a day

> > for the 1st week and

> > then 1 serving after each workout.

> >

> > The big problem is that you really don't need all

> > these amount of simple

> > sugars...few years ago it was believed that high

> > doses of dextrose could

> > facilitate creatine absorption because creatine

> > monohydrate is really poor

> > absorbed if compared with other types of creatine

> > such as tri-creatine

> > malate and the best creatine ethyl-estere that's

> > over 90% absorbed.

> >

> > As you can see Creatine ethyl-estere malate is one

> > of the many ingredients

> > which compose NO Explode.

> >

> > Now, if you want to take your cell tech, ignore the

> > muscletech suggestions

> > and take it only imeediately after your workout,

> > since there's a 2hour

> > period of time after a workout during which your

> > muscles are leterally

> > starving for nutrients in order to replenish your

> > muscle glycogen stores.

> >

> > My suggestion: take one serving of cell tech

> > immediately after your

> > workout, then if you're on a bulky diet regimen,

> > take 0.8g/kg of

> > carbohydrate with 0.4g/kg of hydrolised whey protein

> > 45 - 60 minutes

> > later.

> > Consuming a protein meal immediately after the cell

> > tech might give

> > problems with the former absorpion.

> >

> > Otherwise, if you choose to take the NO Explode also

> > as a postworkout

> > recovery drink, take 1 serving mixed with 0.8g/kg of

> > Pure Vitargo

> > immediately after the end of the weight lifting

> > session and a protein

> > drink (the same suggested above) 45 - 60 mins later.

> >

> > Don't ever forget that's very important to keep the

> > insulin level as

> > stable as possible because too many variations

> > during of such a hormone

> > throughout the day can give problems, you're on a

> > bulky diet regimen and

> > high insulin levels caould get you fatter....

> >

> > Do you take something as a pre-workout drink or

> > meal? What is your body

> > weight, body fat and lean body mass percentage and

> > what method did u use

> > to find it out?

> >

> > If you need any tips on nutrition, supplementation

> > and training programs

> > you can count on me. I'm not a scientist but I've

> > been doing lots of

> > research on how to improve human performance in a

> > natural way for a while.

> >

> > I'm doing experiments on myself :-) that I'll use

> > for my academic project.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Luca Cardilli

> > Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

> >

> >

> > > Thank you so much, Luca.

> > >

> > > Your advice is invaluable. I didn't know about

> > the

> > > thermal qualities of the protein. And you're

> > right,

> > > I'm eating protein like crazy (this coming after

> > my 4

> > > eggwhite vegetable omelet this morning :-)

> > >

> > > One question, though. Are you saying that I

> > should or

> > > shouldn't take CellTech after high-intensity

> > excercise

> > > ? Or that there is something better ? Or that it

> > is a

> > > good source of hydrolised protein and carbohydrate

> > at

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, it seems these NO products may not be effective and are overprized;-)

I've decided to give a trial to Berardi's tips on during and

post-workout nutrition and honestly I have to say that my performace

improved a lot.

During workout: if you are on a controlled calories nutritional program,

0.4g/kg Carbs and 0.2g/kg Prots in a 10% water solution, it means 100ml of

water each 10g of powder. Carbs must be high GI (he suggests 50% Dextrose

and 50% Maltodextrins), protein must be hydrolized for faster absorption.

If you're on a bulky regimen, 0.8g/kg Carbs and 0.4 g/kg prots.

N.B. IT IS IMPORTANT TO SIP THIS DRINK AND NOT TO DRINK IT IN ONE SHOT!!!!

Post-workout nutrition: the same drink mentioned above with the adding of

1g of vit C (Calcium ascorbate is more absorbable than ascorbic acid), 1

cp of Vit E (400 IU) besides I add also 1 multivit/minerals cp and

eventually 1 antioxidant cap if the workout was particular intense (the

more intense the more acid pH u can get) in order to buffer acid

byproducts and 1 cp of digestive enzymes if the amount of protein is

higher than 30 - 35 grams.

Finally, put on lean mass and shed body fat is physiologically unlikely to

happen but......puttin' on some lean mass will result in a better body

composition indeed. In addition, you've got to improve your nutrition

timing and carefully balancing high protein meals with veggies and fruits

(unless you're on a strict dieting program where fruit must be avoided) to

avoid being in a state of net acidity.

I'm sure I forgot something as usual....anyway, that's it for now :-)

Cheers,

Luca Cardilli,

Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

P.S. do you study at the Loughborough University?

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> Dominick,

>

> This is my first post on this 'forum' so I hope I have done this

> right.

>

> [Mod: Nearly - please ensure you sign your posts with your full name, town

> and state/country of residence - thanks]

>

> There are a couple of things I thought might be of help to you.

> Firstly, as you have been told NO products aren't great and are

> massively overpriced. You could simply purchase the raw ingredients

> for a fraction of the price and get the same effect. Even if the

> effect has no REAL benefit, I understand it is nice to have

> the 'pump' that it gives, and when on reduced CHOs this is even

> better.

>

> Secondly, the idea that you can bulk and lose fat whilst on a strict

> contest diet is a bit far fetched...unless you are not doing it

> 'naturally'.

>

> Finally, I would say to 100% focus on getting your BF as low as

> possible and just try to be contented with the muscle you have. In

> 14 weeks you can do a lot, but to place well in a show you will ahve

> to knuckle down if you are going to get in 'contest condition.'

>

> Oh, and one last thing...take the cell-tech after training not

> before...all those simple CHOs pre-workout (I find) aren't great when

> cutting.

>

> Good luck

>

> ,

> Loughborough, England

>

>

>>

>> Beautiful post, Luca ! Thanks a bunch. That does

>> clear up alot. What I'll do is take the NO Xplode in

>> a water bottle and take immediately after my workout

>> and then have my whey protein shake 30 -40 minutes

>> after. I usually sit in the jacuzzi afterwards, take

>> a quick dip in the pool to cool off and then hit the

>> steam room. (I've read in the current M & F that heat

>> helps right after a workout). Drew (of this board)

>> posted some information about NO Xplode not living up

>> to it's hype, but I've got it so I'll use it. Whether

>> or not I buy more will be based on results. I'll be

>> sure to post my experience with it.

>>

>> I'm currently taking the Cell-Tech pre-workout,

>> sometimes I'll have Twin Lab's UltraFuel, or (I can

>> hear the groans now) 3 shots of espresso ! I had my

>> first official weigh-in at 173.6 Pounds (sorry don't

>> know the kilograms-- 381.92 ?) and 19.6% bodyfat (!!!)

>> I'm not worried about the bf though, as I used to be

>> under 5%. I've lost some weight for which I don't

>> have an explanation so the 173.6 was a surprise to me.

>> At the end of the first week I am at 178 pounds

>> (391.6 kg ?), but didn't get to measure my bf. Don't

>> know the lean body mass, as my trainer used a simple

>> electro-scale that measures impedence but I look

>> pretty cut (not competition cut, but I was extremely

>> surprised about my bf being so high as uninitiated

>> people looking at me would say I have no body fat).

>>

>> All of the suggestions you have given are gratefully

>> accepted and any other light you can shed on how to

>> make my first competition a success is greatly

>> appreciated. Thanks again.

>>

>> Dan Heffley

>> Las Vegas, NV