Re: Search Lyme Rife book...discussion

[Guest guest]

I can point you to lots of medline stuff for other therapies that do

not work, and I can also show you many therapies which do work, that do

not have medline references.

Anyway, rife machines do work for Lyme Disease as demonstrated by

consistent results across a wide range of people, people who failed

dozens of previous therapies. I moderate the lyme-and-rife list:

Lyme-and-rife/

This group now has over 1200 people, and the consistent results are

hard to ignore.

There were no medline references telling the first caveman that water

quenches thirst, yet he drank anyway. My faith in medline references

as the end-all say-all, is simply not there.

One issue which complicates matters is that many people may not

actually have Lyme Diseaes (they may have some other chronic illness).

In these cases rife is much less effective per user reports.

As for the theory of rife drying out the tissues - this is one area

that is falsafiable easily using scientific observation, proven by one

of the pioneer rife researchers, who saw spirochetes (the Lyme Disease

Bacteria) get ripped apart and killed by electromagnetic frequencies.

You can read about this experiment by going to http://www.lymebook.com

and clicking on " letter from Doug MacLean " , a link on the left-hand

menu.

I will also add that Doug MacLean, the experimenter, was already

wealthy long before he got Lyme, and as such, has never attempted to

commercialize rife stuff in any way, which lends more credibility to

his cause. He owns lots of commercial real estate and several

businesses, and he spends his spare time yachting and playing in his

Hummer, not trying to sell rife machines.

I am by no means saying rife is a cure-all! But there is some pretty

glaring evidence of its effectiveness.

> > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine interest.

> > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

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> > The Lyme/Rife Book

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> > http://www.lymebook.com

[Guest guest]

I have had only bad experiences with rife.

I think very highly of Jim Bare and he helped me build his rife-bare

machine, that did not affect me too adversely but did not help me

either and made me feel very wired, and hard to sleep.

THe Doug gave me heart palps and tachcardia and for 3 weeks after

that session I could not lie down without my heart pounding n a very

uncomfortable way. This was not a herx (I never have cardiac problems

with or without treatment), this was the force of the magnetic field

probably on the electrolyte balance in the heart.

The Dan machine was useless one way or the other.

I recently tried a type of rife, its battery operated and you attach

it to the body. Like another lymie I heard of, after a 4 hour

treatment (That was the recommended amount) I literally could hardly

walk for a month. I had such bizarre muscle reactions, and so had

she. I asked Jim Bare about this and to paraphrase, tho its low

voltage he felt it probably totally shifted the micro organism

balance. Not a herx and not a good thing.

Some seem to do better with rife and others not. Like any therapy it

seems to be a bellcurve. I personally am done with all types of

rife/emf devices. They have never done me any good and only harm.

> > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine

interest.

> > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

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> > > The Lyme/Rife Book

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> > > http://www.lymebook.com

[Guest guest]

It is nearly impossible for a sub 100 gauss field (put out by the

doug device) to cause " heart side effects. " It simply does not

happen.

On the other hand Lyme Disease is known to infect the heart and rife

machines are known to treat areas of infection which may be sub-

clinical such as a sub-clinical heart infection... you do the math.

Millions of powerline workers and others who work around EMF have

never reported adverse, acute heart events. It just doesn't add up.

The Lyme/Rife Book

http://www.lymebook.com

> > > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine

> interest.

> > > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

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> > > >

> > > > The Lyme/Rife Book

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> > > > http://www.lymebook.com

[Guest guest]

This is seriously dangerous misinformation. Seriously dangerous. You

should not risk posting something like this publicly, . You are

absolutely off base and you ought to keep your opinion about this to

yourself.

ly, lyme disease never infected my heart. I have told you

before, that I never before or since had any heart symptoms, my EKGs

are normal, my echocardiograms are normal, hyperbaric, antibiotics,

silver, nothing has caused the reaction that the Doug did and it was

dangerous and it was wise on my part to stop.

Ridiculous, and dangerous. And I too am tired of your marketing

campaign on all the boards, every months or so. Why don't you give it

a rest. You cross post to every board in an attempt to sell your

book, with supposedly new information like " 5 star reviews " or this

or that. Give it a rest.

> > > > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine

> > interest.

> > > > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

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> > > > > The Lyme/Rife Book

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> > > > > http://www.lymebook.com

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I had a problem believing half the crap dished out as fact, so I had

to see for myself- WHY does NYSTATIN for egs. Give so many so much

relief when it's only supposed to be a gut drug and an antifungal

with no bacterial activity. The problem lies in the drug being

manufactured in 1956 I believe from streptomyces nourseii(spelling

and possable pronunciation could be completely wrong). In the 60's

and 70's many drugs were developed from streptomyces actually MOST

ANTIBIOTICS...My challenge with frequencies and there impact on

bacteria also led me to try and replicate frequencies on culture

plates and time and time again the plates would dry out very

rapidly. I couldn't determine if any antibaterial actions would be

observed. Personally I feel with our very poor vascularity any leg

up in any department is seen as a positive but to claim it blows

bacteria apart is far fetched hogwash IMO. If you could show me

pseudonomads, staphylococci and streptococci which are easy to

observe being blown apart instead of claims that bacteria NO ONE CAN

SEE is disintegrating ...Please...

I do believe that Xrays and microwaves can kill bacteria because

this was pretty much evident in many tests in the early days of

microbiology when many drugs and much reserach was being done.This

is in main stream medical literature of the important parts of last

century when antimicrobial development was at the forefriont of

medicine.I even have a friend that was given Xray treatment for his

acne in the 60's.Unfortuantely people just don't do the simple stuff

to make sure bacteria are being knocked out and what has come as a

major revelation is that you need to use a glucose blocking agent to

stop cells from surving Xray and microwave treatment's.

tony

> > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine

interest.

> > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The Lyme/Rife Book

> > >

> > > http://www.lymebook.com

[Guest guest]

i did not say that it might not have abx efect. this might be the case

or not, i am highly concerned however that brian is telling someone who

has reported serious side effects that it is not a factor. This is

nonsense. The fields could well adversly disrupt the entire body

electric. The heart could pay the price. not to be dismissed

> Steve

> There may be a place for this regime in these ilnesses. I just think

> that stimulation when the blood is loaded with antibacterial agents

> aint such a dumb idea.Many here will go to some form of osteopath

> that realigns them and improves bloodflow, hence symptoms are less.

> So I suppose a good stimulation with radiowaves should and could

> benefit the wiser amongst us.When using the wrong therapy especially

> in the midst of a huge infection You will alway's pay the price as

> you should be well aware.

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> > >  > > > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine

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> > >  > > > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

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> > >  > > > > The Lyme/Rife Book

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[Guest guest]

I am not saying the heart effects are not a factor. They are clearly

an important factor. However I believe the factor to be a herx, not

side effects.

And yes, there are absolutely some issues with high-gauss

powerlines. However, these issues do not include acute reactions but

instead long-term risk factors.

I too had severe heart symptoms arise when I used rife machines,

these symptoms (in me, I'm not speaking for everyone) were a herx.

Later (like now) I can use the machines and get no heart symptoms.

In addition, the machines got rid of most of my Lyme-related

problems, including heart problems.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree.

The bottom line is that whether we can agree on the mechanism of

action or not, many people are experiencing excellent results with

rife therapy vs. Lyme Disease (not necessarily other TH-1

illnesses!), as illustrated by the hundreds of people who are

reporting their results on the Lyme-and-rife group:

Lyme-and-rife/

And here:

http://info.lymebook.com/listings.htm

http://www.lymebook.com

> > > >  > > > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is

genuine

> > > >  > interest. 

> > > >  > > > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife

technology?

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> > > >  > > > > The Lyme/Rife Book

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> > > >  > > > > http://www.lymebook.com

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> > > > ! GROUPS LINKS

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group " infections " on

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[Guest guest]

I missed the transition...when did this thread turn from a rational

discussion of whether or not rife therapy is valid, to a gun fight?

The Lyme/Rife Book

http://www.lymebook.com

> > > > > > I am up for talking about it wherever there is genuine

> > > interest.

> > > > > > Anyone have comments or questions about rife technology?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Lyme/Rife Book

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> > > > > > http://www.lymebook.com