Nelly & Penny re: C. Pneumonia

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Nelly and Penny-

I'm just catching up on emails and wanted to chime in

on the Cpn and Wheldon/Stratton protocol comments from

a few days back.

I'm also having gradual and real improvements with

this. I had quite a bit of herx, both with initial

tetracycline (3 months), then again when I started the

doxy/zithro part. I had initial immediate return of

energy starting the metronidazole, but could only

tolerate a few days and then got very sick, toxic and

nauseous. I am finally trying tinidazole, which

Wheldon told me some patients tolerate better, and

seem to be managing it better. If this doesn't work

I'll try Macrobid, an old urinary tract abx which

Stratton reports has also has previously unreported

bactericidal effect on the cryptic form of Cpn.

The reason you might have had herx when adding the

tinidazole after doing the cycline/lactim combo, is

that the latter prevent replication by the organism,

and drive it into the non-replicating " cryptic "

intracellular form, ie under the " stringent " response

to the abx, the organism defensively (those that

aren't killed by the abx) invade cells (particularly

immune cells and endothelial tissues) and go into a

non-replicating phase where they are aerobic and not

effected by the abx. They are, however, using up the

resources of your cells energy-- especially ATP-- and

producing toxic byproducts. Wheldon notes that Cpn has

a protein which inhibits/prevents cell death of the

host cell which would usually occur. The idazole kills

them in this intracellular form. The herx from this

(which I find is distinct from the herx from the

regular abx) is in part from host cell death along

with the sudden load of dead Cpn to be cleared.

I was really interested to learn about the

EnteraKlenz, since the other things I have tried

haven't been adequate to help with endotoxin

absorption. I'll try it once my credit card comes down

a bit from all the IV treatments I've been getting

lately!

Jim

Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:19:35 -0000

From: " penny " <pennyhoule@...>

Subject: Re: Stratton, Clamydia & Porphyria

HI Nelly,

That's encouraging news.

So have you tested positive for the c.pneumonia as

well?

I'm reading how you can get it as early as age 4 and

how it's

related to pneumonia, and about the drugs that are

successful (which

seem to work for me too) and I'm starting to wonder if

this may have

been one of my earliest problems. Then perhaps the

staph and strep

and pseudomonads (and whatever other unidentified

pathogens I may

have) managed to work their way into my bones and take

up residence

in my sinuses wreacking all kinds of havoc while

remaining pretty

much indestructible.

Do you know how to accurately get tested for p.

neumonia?

penny

p.s. I've ordered EnteraKlenz, which I've read about

before and

think sounds like a really good product. One serving

has 10 g of

charcoal along with bentonite clay. That's about 30

times the amount

I get in one charcoal capsule. I'm really looking

forward to trying

this. Let us know if the charcoal helps you, and I

will do the same.

>> Yes Penny, I have been using a Wheldon/Stratton

protocol for

several months this time but I had used some

components of it in the

past. I am using as much of the protocol as I can, as

I have had to

also re-introduce mefloquine (lariam) for Babesia bec

of returning

heart sxs.

>>

>> The cycline + macrolide part of the protocol is

quite easy to take

and I am quite sure it is getting some job done (much

better sleep

and a kind of loosening of tensions in head) but the

intro of the

imidazole has rocked me quite hard even when using it

only a few

days in a row. It is quite interesting as I have used

loads od

tinidazole before but not in the same context ie after

a few weeks

on a cycline + macrolide regimen.

>>

>> I have also started taking the charcoal part of it

more seriously

lately taking quite a big scoop at night (not sure how

much I am

taking, probably btwn 5-10g per evening)

>>

>> I am taking sublingual B12 but no cimetidine

>>

>> Nelly

>>