OT: Information on Mold (and Lyme) Neurotoxins

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Richie Shoemaker's book, Mold Warriors, has a chart called the "Biotoxin Pathway", which describes how those who are affected by mold neurotoxins are affected and what tests are usually abnormal. This book is one of the most fascinating books I've ever read! I had genetic testing (HLA typing) done which showed I have the mold biotoxin-susceptible genotype. The first test that my doc ordered was a MSH (alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone). If decreased (I had <8 both times), this leads to many problems such as sleep disturbance, chronic pain, GI problems, prolonged illnesses, changes in cortisol and ACTH levels, and reduced sex hormones. The biotoxins affect the fat cells and the nerve cells. This in turn causes an increase in the cytokines which

affect the hypothalmus, circulation and the immune system. "Patients with certain HLA genotypes may develop inappropriate immunity. Most common are antibodies to: myelin basic protein, gliadin and cardiolipins" (I also had all these antibodies). The elevated cytokines cause headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, unstable temperature, difficulty concentrating. Normal people can remove the biotoxins from the body, only those with genetic-susceptibility have problems. Dr. Shoemaker lists lyme as one of the organisms able to create the same type of problems as mold. There is even a certain genotype that is worse if you have lyme.

When checking blood cortisol levels, remember that most labs normal values cover a wider range than if you send off for saliva testing. I had both done and even though they correlated, the blood was still normal even though at the lowest level of normal, while the saliva testing clearly showed it to be low. Saliva testing is usually done 4 times/day, while the blood is traditionally done at 8am and 4pm. When first getting an illness, cortisols will usually be high, but as the illness progresses over the years, the cortisols will be low. Even after finding out that mine were low (2 years apart) it didn't matter, because cortisol or steroids will make lyme worse and I didn't test for it as well.

To try to get to the point (which I have trouble doing!), I would ask for the MSH to be done. If you can go on Amazon.com and look up Mold Warriors, you might can find the page that has the flow-chart (it is right before Chapter 1). He also has a "Biotoxin Lab Order Sheet" on pages 532-533, which tells the tests, specific lab to use, codes, etc. He has a website, www.chronicneurotoxins.com where you can also find out a lot of this info. The book is about 600 pages long, but it is awesome! On his website is a link to take the VCS (visual contrast sensitivity test). This is a great way to tell if you are affected by neurotoxins and retake to see if what you are doing is clearing them. The test is taken online and is $15, I think. Sorry this post is so long, but I have spent much time and many

$$$$ dealing with mold issues. I was able to trace my repeated and extreme mold exposures back to childhood (I even grew it in my closet for a science fair project!!!)....LOL, Marsha

Subject: OT: MycotoxinsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:52 PM

Hi all, again,I was interested to see the post of where mold mycotoxins and Lyme toxins or whatever they are the same. Hmmm...Given my mold problem..Jim.All you posts work for me. :0 I am emailing you now.again, does anyone know the specific tests I have to ask for testing of the molds in my system - if there is any? I have the Thyroids printed and ready to go. :)Also, asking for check on the adrenals - is there a specific name for this? Or just ask for adrenals? AM/PM testing? I will ask for the cheapest.MJ

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Marsha, your post reminded me of something.  Although the a.m. blood cortisol is a good snapshot, and usually covered by insurance, there can be a problem.  If you are a person who gets freaked by a needle it will skew the test.  Or even if you aren't, but say the phlebotomist misses a few times and you start getting upset - you cortisol will instantly rise. 

So, if you remain calm - this is a good test.L

 

Richie Shoemaker's book, Mold Warriors, has a chart called the " Biotoxin Pathway " , which describes how those who are affected by mold neurotoxins are affected and what tests are usually abnormal.  This book is one of the most fascinating books I've ever read!  I had genetic testing (HLA typing) done which showed I have the mold biotoxin-susceptible genotype. The first test that my doc ordered was a MSH (alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone).  If decreased (I had <8 both times), this leads to many problems such as sleep disturbance, chronic pain, GI problems, prolonged illnesses, changes in cortisol and ACTH levels, and reduced sex hormones.  The biotoxins affect the fat cells and the nerve cells.  This in turn causes an increase in the cytokines which

affect the hypothalmus, circulation and the immune system.  " Patients with certain HLA genotypes may develop inappropriate immunity.  Most common are antibodies to: myelin basic protein, gliadin and cardiolipins " (I also had all these antibodies).  The elevated cytokines cause headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, unstable temperature, difficulty concentrating.  Normal people can remove the biotoxins from the body, only those with genetic-susceptibility have problems.  Dr. Shoemaker lists lyme as one of the organisms able to create the same type of problems as mold.  There is even a certain genotype that is worse if you have lyme.

When checking blood cortisol levels, remember that most labs normal values cover a wider range than if you send off for saliva testing.  I had both done and even though they correlated, the blood was still normal even though at the lowest level of normal, while the saliva testing clearly showed it to be low.  Saliva testing is usually done 4 times/day, while the blood is traditionally done at 8am and 4pm.  When first getting an illness, cortisols will usually be high, but as the illness progresses over the years, the cortisols will be low.  Even after finding out that mine were low (2 years apart) it didn't matter, because cortisol or steroids will make lyme worse and I didn't test for it as well.

To try to get to the point (which I have trouble doing!), I would ask for the MSH to be done.  If you can go on Amazon.com and look up Mold Warriors, you might can find the page that has the flow-chart (it is right before Chapter 1).  He also has a " Biotoxin Lab Order Sheet " on pages 532-533, which tells the tests, specific lab to use, codes, etc.  He has a website, www.chronicneurotoxins.com where you can also find out a lot of this info.  The book is about 600 pages long, but it is awesome!  On his website is a link to take the VCS (visual contrast sensitivity test).  This is a great way to tell if you are affected by neurotoxins and retake to see if what you are doing is clearing them.  The test is taken online and is $15, I think.  Sorry this post is so long, but I have spent much time and many

$$$$ dealing with mold issues.  I was able to trace my repeated and extreme mold exposures back to childhood (I even grew it in my closet for a science fair project!!!)....LOL,  Marsha

Subject: OT: Mycotoxins

To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:52 PM

 

Hi all, again,I was interested to see the post of where mold mycotoxins and Lyme toxins or whatever they are the same.  Hmmm...Given my mold problem..

Jim.All you posts work for me.  :0  I am emailing you now.again, does anyone know the specific tests I have to ask for testing of the molds in my system - if there is any? I have the Thyroids printed and ready to go. 

Also, asking for check on the adrenals - is there a specific name for this?  Or just ask for adrenals?    AM/PM testing?  I will ask for the cheapest.MJ

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You're right, . I just don't think about that happening because we stick so many people and most DON'T get upset! But it could definitely happen if they did. Even though I work in a Lab and we do the blood cortisols, I think the saliva tests are better. And with them, you don't have to worry about the "fear factor"! I think the cost would be about the same, except I don't think insurance covers them...Marsha

From: Racereadygurl@ aol.com <Racereadygurl@ aol..com>Subject: OT: MycotoxinsTo: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:52 PM

Hi all, again,I was interested to see the post of where mold mycotoxins and Lyme toxins or whatever they are the same. Hmmm...Given my mold problem...Jim.All you posts work for me. :0 I am emailing you now.again, does anyone know the specific tests I have to ask for testing of the molds in my system - if there is any? I have the Thyroids printed and ready to go. :)Also, asking for check on the adrenals - is there a specific name for this? Or just ask for adrenals? AM/PM testing? I will ask for the cheapest..MJ

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Hey Marsha,

This was a really good post. Thanks for reminding me about the Mold Warriors

book, I'll have to get it off of the shelf and review. I read it a couple of

years ago. I ordered a whole kit of mycotoxin vials and specifically a mold

mycotoxins vial. I am going to energy test the vial and see if some of my

problems are mold related. I don't seem to be having any problems with the

molds themselves as I have a kit of indoor molds, but perhaps the mycotoxins

might be problematic.

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> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:52 PM

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> Hi all, again,

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> I was interested to see the post of where mold mycotoxins and Lyme toxins or

whatever they are the same.  Hmmm...Given my mold problem.

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> Jim.

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> All you posts work for me.  :0  I am emailing you now.

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> again, does anyone know the specific tests I have to ask for testing of the

molds in my system - if there is any? I have the Thyroids printed and ready to

go. 

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> Also, asking for check on the adrenals - is there a specific name for this? 

Or just ask for adrenals?    AM/PM testing?  I will ask for the cheapest.

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> MJ

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Marsha, you haven't seen my veins!  Wait no one has! LOL Poke, poke, dig, dig.I win the vote at every lab for the tiniest, deepest, worst veins ever!  Yep, I drink water for three days before a test.

The only thing I've found that helps is a very hot heat pack.  I warm a large one in the microwave, strap it over my one good vein and head out the door.  When I get to the lab I reheat it, until they are ready to poke me.  geesh.

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Marsha, you haven't seen my veins!  Wait no one has! LOL Poke, poke, dig, dig.I win the vote at every lab for the tiniest, deepest, worst veins ever!  Yep, I drink water for three days before a test.

The only thing I've found that helps is a very hot heat pack.  I warm a large one in the microwave, strap it over my one good vein and head out the door.  When I get to the lab I reheat it, until they are ready to poke me.  geesh.

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Marsha/?

Re: Mold/Lyme/Neurotoxin issues;

Could you please share what your protocol was that helped cure you?

Thanks!

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To:

Lyme_and_Rife

Date:

01/31/2010 11:18 PM

Subject:

OT: Information on Mold

(and Lyme) Neurotoxins

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Lyme_and_Rife

Richie

Shoemaker's book, Mold Warriors, has a chart called the " Biotoxin

Pathway " , which describes how those who are affected by mold neurotoxins

are affected and what tests are usually abnormal. This book is one

of the most fascinating books I've ever read! I had genetic testing

(HLA typing) done which showed I have the mold biotoxin-susceptible genotype.

The first test that my doc ordered was a MSH (alpha-melanocyte stimulating

hormone). If decreased (I had <8 both times), this leads to many

problems such as sleep disturbance, chronic pain, GI problems, prolonged

illnesses, changes in cortisol and ACTH levels, and reduced sex hormones.

The biotoxins affect the fat cells and the nerve cells. This

in turn causes an increase in the cytokines which affect the hypothalmus,

circulation and the immune system. " Patients with certain HLA

genotypes may develop inappropriate immunity. Most common are antibodies

to: myelin basic protein, gliadin and cardiolipins " (I also had all

these antibodies). The elevated cytokines cause headaches, muscle

aches, fatigue, unstable temperature, difficulty concentrating. Normal

people can remove the biotoxins from the body, only those with genetic-susceptibility

have problems. Dr.

Shoemaker lists lyme as one of the organisms able to create the same type

of problems as mold. There is even a certain genotype that is worse

if you have lyme.

When checking blood

cortisol levels, remember that most labs normal values cover a wider range

than if you send off for saliva testing. I had both done and even

though they correlated, the blood was still normal even though at the lowest

level of normal, while the saliva testing clearly showed it to be low.

Saliva testing is usually done 4 times/day, while the blood is traditionally

done at 8am and 4pm. When first getting an illness, cortisols will

usually be high, but as the illness progresses over the years, the cortisols

will be low. Even after finding out that mine were low (2 years apart)

it didn't matter, because cortisol or steroids will make lyme worse and

I didn't test for it as well.

To try to get to the

point (which I have trouble doing!), I would ask for the MSH to be done.

If you can go on Amazon.com and look up Mold Warriors,

you might can find the page that has the flow-chart (it is right before

Chapter 1). He also has a " Biotoxin Lab Order Sheet " on

pages 532-533, which tells the tests, specific lab to use, codes, etc.

He has a website, www.chronicneurotoxins.com

where you can also find out a lot of this info. The book is about

600 pages long, but it is awesome! On his website is a link to take

the VCS (visual contrast sensitivity test). This is a great way to

tell if you are affected by neurotoxins and retake to see if what you are

doing is clearing them. The test is taken online and is $15, I think.

Sorry this post is so long, but I have spent much time and many $$$$

dealing with mold issues. I was able to trace my repeated and extreme

mold exposures back to childhood (I even grew it in my closet for a science

fair project!!!)....LOL, Marsha

Subject: OT: Mycotoxins

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:52 PM

Hi all, again,

I was interested to see the post of where mold mycotoxins and Lyme toxins

or whatever they are the same. Hmmm...Given my mold problem..

Jim.

All you posts work for me. :0 I am emailing you now.

again, does anyone know the specific tests I have to ask for testing of

the molds in my system - if there is any? I have the Thyroids printed and

ready to go.

Also, asking for check on the adrenals - is there a specific name for

this? Or just ask for adrenals? AM/PM testing? I

will ask for the cheapest.

MJ

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