Re: Another ? for Tony

[Guest guest]

Lifestyle, smoked heaps, played cards all night, virtually ran a

gambling establishment for 5 years- But the key is going to the

dentist I believe the first numbing injection just rotted out the

roof of my mouth where it was injected. Having had a subsequent 20

since, guarantee's you a disaster. There was also this spastic

attempt at keeping half crumbled half rotten teeth in my mouth I'm

thinking I'm over 40 and loosing a few teeth is what it's all about

when you enter this age group hanging on to teeth is like death

warmed up.

I actually had black in my gum, around a tooth which I would often

joke was gangrene, I know think it wasn't a joke and it was almost

gangrene.I think sitting through 20 or 30 episodes of major tooth

pain isn't innocent, nothing's happoening stuff, it's very serious

damage and area's are being burned out by this pain.You then get to

stage 2 which is like the pain is no longer localised in the mouth

it's now out there in the knee and hip.

tony

> Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

required

> such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

>

> Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and got

liver

> aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This was

in my

> attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are normal

adn I

> doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

increased

> because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

>

> So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start with

10

> mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

dieoff. I

> figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up slowly.

It

> COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can think

of.

> I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing much.

[Guest guest]

INteresting. I pulled the two root infected teeth on my upper left

side but I think there is STILL some infection in there for sure, but

MUCH less than if I'd gotten root canals.

> > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

> required

> > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> >

> > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and got

> liver

> > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This was

> in my

> > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are normal

> adn I

> > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> increased

> > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> >

> > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start

with

> 10

> > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

> dieoff. I

> > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up slowly.

> It

> > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can

think

> of.

> > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing much.

[Guest guest]

jill

What dose nystatin did you do. Did you do the 100,000 unit pills? I

would take 20million units a day. People would say yeah I did

nystatin twice a day. Then I would discover they would do 100,000

units.I would also bet my bottom dollar you don't have a fungal

problem, if you bothered swabbing you'd find what feels fungal is

pseudonomads or heavy bacterial growths.Don't mess with drugs at

such low doses they won't work when you need them.

> Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

required

> such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

>

> Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and got

liver

> aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This was

in my

> attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are normal

adn I

> doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

increased

> because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

>

> So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start with

10

> mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

dieoff. I

> figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up slowly.

It

> COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can think

of.

> I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing much.

[Guest guest]

Its confusing because if Schardt is right, diflucan, probably

nizoral, work on borrelia too. I will look at my nystatin capsules

and post tomorrow, I'm sure you're right I didn't take 20 million

units...

> > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

> required

> > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> >

> > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and got

> liver

> > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This was

> in my

> > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are normal

> adn I

> > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> increased

> > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> >

> > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start

with

> 10

> > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

> dieoff. I

> > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up slowly.

> It

> > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can

think

> of.

> > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing much.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

One study surmised that some of the infections start with an injection

in the mouth.

From the below: " There is a strong likelihood that the Cytomegalovirus

infection was introduced from the site of injection by the injection

needle used to introduce the local anesthetic because of insufficient

sterilization of the injection site. "

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?

DB=EPODOC & IDX=JP10067672 & F=0 & QPN=JP10067672

Clinical Case 9

The inventor, a 61 year old Asian-American male, had a toothache in

his upper right incisor. Bi-Digital O-Ring Testing of the root of the

tooth showed Alpha-Streptococcus infection which was sensitive to

Wyeth Amoxycillin, 500 mg, which was therefore given 4 times/day with

drug uptake enhancement. The test also indicated absence of viral

infection since there was no sensitivity of the infection to EPA/DHA,

a strong antiviral agent. After 2 days of treatment, the sharp pain

had diminished to a persistent dull ache. I saw a dentist who injected

local anesthesia, opened the root canal, removed the nerve and blood

vessels, placed formaldehyde inside the root canal as an antiseptic,

and sealed it temporarily. Shortly after this procedure the pain not

only became more severe, but the painful area increased in size moving

toward the roots of the neighboring teeth and across the cheek to the

temporo-mandibular joint. Bi-Digital O-Ring Test indicated reduced

bacterial infection; therefore the formaldehyde was suspected to be an

additional irritant to the residual infection. Testing was done to see

if formaldehyde existed in the painful areas using pure formaldehyde

as a reference control substance. The test indicated strong resonance

with formaldehyde in the entire painful area, from the root of the

teeth to the cheek, suggesting that the formaldehyde placed in the

root canal of the right incisor had leaked out and spread. At this

time I was reported irritability and difficulty retrieving a few

commonly used names in conversation several times a day. Such word-

retrieval difficulty is commonly seen in patients who have viral or

bacterial infection of the hippocampus.

Further examination with the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test revealed that the

Alpha-Streptococcus infection had diminished in the root of the tooth,

but had spread with tenderness to the temporo-mandibular joint.

Cytomegalovirus infection also from the site of the injection near the

root of the tooth extended across the right cheek then upward to the

hippocampal area of the brain on the right side. There were

significant local deposits of Hg in the Cytomegalovirus positive area.

There is a strong likelihood that the Cytomegalovirus infection was

introduced from the site of injection by the injection needle used to

introduce the local anesthetic because of insufficient sterilization

of the injection site. I was treated with EPA, 180 mg, and DHA, 120

mg, 4 times/day to treat the CMV; Wyeth Amoxycillin, 500 mg, 4 times/

day for the Alpha-Streptococcus, together with Chinese parsley

tablets, 100 mg to clear Hg; with drug enhancement provided by strong

Shiatsu massage of the organ representation areas for the right

hippocarnpus on the tip of the middle fingers of both hands. Within 2

days of this treatment, CMV infection in the hippocampal area

disappeared as did the mild word-retrieval difficulty. The subject

returned to the dentist who removed the formaldehyde packing from the

root canal which he then widened and irrigated repeatedly. Before the

dentist sealed the canal, using the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test, I found

that there was no longer a positive resonance with a minute amount of

pure formaldehyde, the reference control substance.

A few days later the subject noticed a recurrence of the mild word-

finding difficulty. Examination of the face and brain with the Bi-

Digital O-Ring Test indicated strong Cytomegalovirus infection in the

area surrounding the root of the problem tooth, extending horizontally

across the right cheek to the area in front of the ear lobe, then

upward to the right side of the head over the hippocampal area. I

resumed the antiviral treatment done previously. Twelve hours later I

found that the degree of viral infection over the hippocampus was

reduced, but it remained strong on the right side of the face.

Treatment was continued this time using strong Shiatsu massage not

only on the hippocampus representation areas on the middle fingers,

particularly the R. middle finger, but also on the representation

areas for the face, specifically the right teeth on the 1st phalange

of the right middle fingers. I also took an optimal dose, established

by the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test, of fresh carrot-green extract as a

potential Hg removing agent since the Cytomegalovirus infected area

also showed local deposits of Hg. The inventor had recently

hypothesized that since carrots are members of the parsley family

(Umbelliferae), the extract of the carrot-green leaves might have a

similar effect to that of Chinese parsley, (cilantro), in eliminating

deposits of Hg, Pb, or Al coexisting with infection in the tissues.

Alcohol was used to extract the effective component from the carrot-

greens and was then allowed to evaporate. Testing urine samples for Hg

before and after taking the extract indicated that carrot-green

extract does have a similar effect to Chinese parsley.

Three hours after taking the EPA/DHA as an antiviral agent together

with carrot-green extract and using strong Shiatsu massage on the

organ representation areas for the right side of the face and brain on

the distal phalange of the right middle finger, infection on the right

side of the face diminished moderately, but within 6 hours

Cytomegalovirus infection appeared on the left side of the brain in

the hippocampal area with localized Hg deposits. and the subject

noticing irritability. I interpret this migration of the viral

infection from the right to the left side of the brain to have

occurred because of the high concentration of the antiviral agent in

the right cerebral hemisphere and the very low concentration left side

of the brain. The Cytomegalovirus, also retreated to the sublingual

caruncle, the left and right axillae, the maxillary, ethmoid and

frontal sinuses, the nose and ears. Twelve hours later the virus was

gone from the sublingual caruncle but it was observed that the virus

was moving into adjacent regions whose representation areas had not

been stimulated for drug uptake enhancement, like the ears. Therefore

strong Shiatsu massage of the middle finger was extended to include

the sides of the distal phalange for the ears, and the proximal

phalange of the index and ring fingers on the palm side for the

axillae. The treatment was then continued for another 2 days after

which all symptoms and response to the monoclonal antibody of the

Cytomegalovirus had disappeared.

About 1 week after the second visit to the dentist severe pain started

at the root of the upper right cuspid, the tooth next to the lateral

incisor which was the original site of infection, with redness and

swelling of the gum. An X-ray was taken of right upper cuspid after

root canal was opened and metal wire was inserted to estimate the

distance from the apical foramen. This was taken about 3 weeks after

right upper incisor root canal treatment was performed. There existed

a pathological darkening of the area about 5 mm from apical foramen

extending up the dentine, cementum & periodontal membrane and

surrounding area. Bacterial infection and marked deposit of mercury

co-exists but antibiotic, Wyeth arnoxicillin which was taken at that

time did not reach this infected area in spite of vigorous drug uptake

enhancement. Examination using Bi-Digital O-Ring Test on the root of

the tooth indicated strong bacterial infection and also indicated

Wyeth Amoxicillin, 500 mg to be potentially very effective. The

dentist injected local anesthesia into the oral tissue, opened the

root canal to release the pressure and remove the infected tissue,

nerve and blood vessel, and after sterilizing the canal, temporarily

filled with Gutta Percha without using formaldehyde. Before filling

the root canal with Guttal Percha, a second X-ray was taken while a

metal probe was temporarily placed in the opened root canal. The X-ray

showed recognizable change of density, in the tooth with the open root

canal, 5 mm from the apical foramen up the dentine, cementurn and

periodontal membrane, and in these areas there was a marked deposit of

mercury and alpha streptococcus infection. This infection did not

appear on the X-ray taken at the very 1st visit for original tooth but

about 5 weeks later it extended to the periodontal area near the root

and entire body of the tooth within 5 mm from the tip of the root

canal.

Two days later the subject experienced irritability, diminished short-

term memory, and mild, transient, word-retrieval difficulty a few

times a day. The Bi-Digital O-Ring Test again showed Cytomegalovirus

infection with Hg deposits in the right side of the face and head

starting from near the roots of the involved teeth and spreading to

the TMJ, and R-Hippocampal area. For this viral infection, a mixture

of DHA, 180 mg with EPA, 120 mg as an antiviral agent 4 times/day, and

100 mg of Chinese parsley tablets 3 times/day to remove localized Hg

deposits were given with drug uptake enhancement by both strong

Shiatsu massage to the representation areas for both sides of the

brain (on the upper part of the distal phalange of both middle

fingers), and light from a battery-operated flashlight held directly

on these organ representation areas on the fingers or on the occipital

area of the skull over the cardiovascular representation area of the

Medulla Oblongata. Six days later the Cytomegalovirus infection had

disappeared not only from the original sites, but all five `hiding

places` were also virus free. Although I no longer experienced the

mild cognitive symptoms caused by the Cytomegalovirus infection of the

hippocampal area, Alpha streptococcus infection with dull pain

persisted in the roots of the two teeth despite treatment with Wyeth

Arnoxicillin, 500 mg, 4 times/day, with drug uptake enhancement for

almost one month.

Twice previously I had similar dental pain in the lateral part of the

oral cavity with alpha streptococcus infection and loose teeth; the

previous dentist suggested that the tooth be extracted, but he

refused. Using Wyeth Amoxicillin 500 mg which was found to be most

effective for the infection by Bi-Digital O-Ring Test, and with (+)Qi

Gong energy stored paper, taped above infected area for a few days,

used as a drug uptake enhancement, these problem teeth are still

remaining without much problem and looseness firmed up when infection

disappeared.

The persistence of this bacterial infection may be explained by the

fact that the removal of the blood vessels and nerves from the root

canal make treatment of the infection difficult if not impossible.

Normally drug uptake enhancement methods increase delivery and uptake

of drugs in infected areas in which nerves and blood vessels exist.

Since these structures are necessary for drug delivery and maintenance

at therapeutic levels in the pathological area, infection remained in

a sealed root canal becomes chronic and a potential source of further

infection even if extensive drug uptake enhancement methods are used.

It is therefore advisable to treat infection vigorously with suitable

antibiotics using drug uptake enhancement methods before root canal

procedures are done, before the nerve and blood vessels are removed.

I have now started to use combination of more powerful drug uptake

enhancement method including Krypton bulb DC battery operated

flashlight with red filter and pasting of Qi Gong energy stored paper

or bandaid. Antibiotics began to reach the pathological area and

mercury began to decrease.

> > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

> required

> > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> >

> > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and got

> liver

> > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This was

> in my

> > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are normal

> adn I

> > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> increased

> > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> >

> > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start with

> 10

> > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

> dieoff. I

> > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up slowly.

> It

> > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can think

> of.

> > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing much.

[Guest guest]

Again I find some of these studies acheive objectives and I found

the opposite is true. I have drilled a pulled tooth and recovered

all the bacteria throughout the tooth pulp and around the tooth,

someone telling me they did correct therapy using amoxacillin 4

times a day and clearing an infection and a virus is the culprit

troubles my obserrvations. Everyone is sick becauise that course of

amoxacillin just dents the bacteria it doesn't go in and eradicate.

Also against strep species drug of choice to try and get the job

done often only supporting the immune system in strep infection is

penicillin not amoxacillin which performs poorly in my

observations.cousin suffers strep throat...

> > > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

> > required

> > > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> > >

> > > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and

got

> > liver

> > > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This

was

> > in my

> > > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are

normal

> > adn I

> > > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> > increased

> > > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> > >

> > > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start

with

> > 10

> > > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

> > dieoff. I

> > > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up

slowly.

> > It

> > > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can

think

> > of.

> > > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing much.

[Guest guest]

Tony, what are your top 10 antibiotics, best first? You obviously

love penicillin.

> > > > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections that

> > > required

> > > > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> > > >

> > > > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan and

> got

> > > liver

> > > > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill). This

> was

> > > in my

> > > > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are

> normal

> > > adn I

> > > > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> > > increased

> > > > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> > > >

> > > > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and start

> with

> > > 10

> > > > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance for

> > > dieoff. I

> > > > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up

> slowly.

> > > It

> > > > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I can

> think

> > > of.

> > > > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing

much.

[Guest guest]

Jill

Just recently I thought deeply and realised that no-one in any

hospital system can improve dramatically without this drug even

though resistant- hospital dosing would see it cut thru bugs in

order for you to get well.You have multiple organisms involved in

setting up ilness, staph epidermis is the biggest oppurtunist and if

you get well this organism was alway's in the way and needed

collateral damage therapy to see you progress.I just had an uncle in

ICu and looking carefully at his cultures for pneumonia was very

important, all they grew was staph epidermis, basically an organism

that doesn't kill, just torture's everyone. The irony was I was the

only one saying that this guy would survive even after everyone else

was preparing there suits for the funeral.Sure enough to everyone's

surprise he made a full recovery.

He was given 3 IV antibiotics possably targeting the staph epi they

had in his culture report.

I observe the old streptomycin a good drug, the basic penicillins

are brilliant I believe possably because they cut thru established

bugs as opposed to stopping new growths.I would use

penicllin,cephalothin, vancomycin, cephazolin in autoimmune people I

would then worry about getting the drugs to the bugs, I would also

do any oxygen therapy known to man to keep the bugs asleep while

your trying to eradicate them, taking away there CO2 leaves them

unable often to fire off there antibiotic protection mechanisms. I

would also open up my eyes and tell mattman and co to stick there

theories up there rear when a certain therapy works that's not

supposed to, someone's pulling your leg when they are giving you a

theory and poor diagnosis.It's amazing that doing flucloxacillin

would give me a so called herx and again going the next dose would

stop the herxing.I'm very troubled by the way people are taught in

autoimmune circles, it just doesn't fit the program with what is

really going on in ilness.

> > > > > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections

that

> > > > required

> > > > > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan

and

> > got

> > > > liver

> > > > > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill).

This

> > was

> > > > in my

> > > > > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are

> > normal

> > > > adn I

> > > > > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> > > > increased

> > > > > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and

start

> > with

> > > > 10

> > > > > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance

for

> > > > dieoff. I

> > > > > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up

> > slowly.

> > > > It

> > > > > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I

can

> > think

> > > > of.

> > > > > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing

> much.

[Guest guest]

Tony, my chamber should be coming back next week. I have been

relapsing without it. It really is a godsend and for sure the oxygen

pushed into my tissues has kept those bugs sleepy. But having it gone

for a month and symptoms scary ones flaring up has chastened me.

I would still like to hear more thots about salt/c.

I'm willing to try penicillin I never did try it. I cant stand

amoxicillin makes me feel sick as a dog laid flat on the bed. Cipro

was better, anything was better than amoxi.

Do you still examine a swab if I send you a swab of oral mucosa and

nose, from New York, how long does that take to get to wherever you

are? And by the way I forgot where you live. I spent time in Sydney

(Chatswood, ugh, too suburban for me) and Olinda (Dandenongs)--

beautiful if quaint--and of course Melbourne, my favorite.

> > > > > > Why did you end up with such entrenched bad infections

> that

> > > > > required

> > > > > > such aggressive treatment? Any theories?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: antifungal resistance...I took 1/4 pill of diflucan

> and

> > > got

> > > > > liver

> > > > > > aches and nausea--there times in a row (a 200 mg pill).

> This

> > > was

> > > > > in my

> > > > > > attempt to begin the Schardt protocol. Liver enzymes are

> > > normal

> > > > > adn I

> > > > > > doubt it is a p450 phenomenon, I think its fungal load so

> > > > > increased

> > > > > > because of immunosuppression of borrelia infection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I am going to order fluconazole in oral solution and

> start

> > > with

> > > > > 10

> > > > > > mg or maybe even 5 a day adn build up, find my tolerance

> for

> > > > > dieoff. I

> > > > > > figure if I ver yslowly kill off th eyeast I can build up

> > > slowly.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > COULD get resistant that way.But its the only solution I

> can

> > > think

> > > > > of.

> > > > > > I know I can't tolerate lamisil, and nystatin isn't doing

> > much.