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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dear , I remember the story about the tribe. They also have no words for hello or goodbye. Time does not exist for them. Best wishes in deep water diving, On 6/16/05, Schaafsma <compucruz@...> wrote: Dear Friends and Fellow Agents,This is agent Scha, reporting from Ground Zero in the Santa Cruz County Lyme Wars, which oddly enough turns out to be my apartment.There is cold morning air coming in through all the windows. I shiver gratefully because the heat has been spiking up in the 90s here in the afternoons and collecting cold air overnight and in the morning has become essential to my survival of the long afternoon heat.Today my older brother is bringing me an air conditioner. The cheap kind that sits in the window is not allowed in my apartment complex, so family funds were required to purchase a portable unit powerful enough to cool a large apartment.My brother lives more than 5 hours from here, in a part of the state that gets a LOT of heat, so he's bringing a more expensive, high- tech thingamabob that vents through a tube that goes flush with the window without poking out of it. There is a medical reason for my brother's visit, beyond rescuing me from the heat. Because my HMO has declared war on my diagnosis, what was already a desperate medical and financial situation is now also a legal minefield. So there is something of great importance that may or may not happen today, but for legal reasons I can't tell you what it is. Now several of you have offered to write letters. I received a request from one of you for details, which I provided. With Penny's permission, I will post those details (a concise summary of things that have already been disclosed here) to the Files Section. That way if you want to write a letter and need notes to crib from you'll have them, but they won't disrupt " the purpose of this list. " In the meantime, I wanted to share something I saw on 60 minutes, which even my 'now you see it, now you don't' memory hasn't been able to shake.It was a few weeks back, if go to cbsnews.com you can probably find it. The report was on these people who survived the Tsunami, when everyone else was devastated, because they saw it coming. It turns out that several generations back something of the kind had happened before. Because these people convey their history through an oral tradition, they had a reference point, an oral history that said " when you see the sea acting like this, all hell is going to break loose, you must get to higher ground. " So when the sea began to behave oddly, they had a reference point, knew a huge wave was coming and got themselves to higher ground. It took some shouting. The younger ones were skeptical when the elder, who knew the old tales better than anyone, told them: get to higher ground, or you die. But the whole tribe listened, and the whole tribe survived.Now I'll share another story with you, that my sister-in-law shared with me about a personal acquaintance. He too was in Southeast Asia in the path of the Tsunami. But he's a modern guy, like me. He looked out his hotel window. The sea had receded with freakish speed, there was this big wave coming. He didn't think, just dived off the balcony of his hotel into the pool, where he remained underwater by clinging to the ladder you use to climb out. When he finally had to come up for air, everything was underwater, and he was surrounded by corpses, raw sewage, the skeleton of the hotel...I tell these stories, because they describe the response to imminent, unstoppable catastrophe.In the 60 minutes piece, we're reminded that listening to stories about things that we ourselves have never experienced, and taking them seriously, can save us in situations where nothing else can. In my sister-in-law's story, we're reminded that in real life we seldom have the time we would like to deliberate on how best to respond to a problem. Some problems deprive of us of that luxury. What matters then is:Do I see what is coming?Do I hear, and act on, that still small center knows WHAT to do, but has no time to explain WHY? I believe that the Lyme epidemic is real, driven by multiple pathogenic strains of borrelia. I believe that there is a real, organized effort to conceal the scope and seriousness of this epidemic from the public. I believe that effort extends as far as the influence of the United States, the United Kingdom, and huge, multinational corporations whose gross revenues exceed the gross national product of many countries.I believe that there is a real " Tuskegee II " experiment going on, and that the right of all human beings everywhere, even the wealthy, to critically needed medical care will emerge from this experience either greatly diminished or powerfully reaffirmed. I believe it is one or the other, there is no 'third way'. I am acting under pressures that words cannot convey. If you think you understand, you're wrong. If you know that you don't understand, you're right. I don't understand these pressures - or the price they exact from me - myself, and I know infinitely more about that than I can communicate to you.Besides, there is no time.So if you want to think good thoughts my way today, I'm grateful for them. If you want an image to focus on, picture me jumping off the balcony into a pool that may or may not be deep enough for cushion my fall and protect me from what is about to hit.Yes, the pool will be deep enough.Yes, I have seen what's coming in time to escape being crushed by it. No, Tony, I do not have time to debate with you about whether the Tsunami is real. When Tuskegee II has been stopped, I'll be happy to have that conversation with you. Right now, we must all do what we can, and I respect what you are doing or trying to do to help the survivors.Me, I have no sense. I not only intend to survive, I intend to stop this damn wave and send it back to the hell it came from. Damn. That's a long way down, that pool. Oh well. Here's goes nuthin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 , I knew you were a "mulkurul" as well (re Weir's film The last Wave"). I have had very similar feelings for quite a long time now, but where is that damn swimming pool?!!! Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Nelly: In my entire life, I've bought 3 movies. " Ressurrection " (1974) Helen Bursten " Dead Man " - Jonny Depp and Pete Weirs " The Last Wave " . Those 3 about tell it all. Barb > , > > I knew you were a " mulkurul " as well (re Weir's film The last Wave " ). > > I have had very similar feelings for quite a long time now, but where is that damn swimming pool?!!! > > Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Agent Scha I'm the idiot that does the megadose therapy designed to kill a tsunami. tony > Dear Friends and Fellow Agents, > > This is agent Scha, reporting from Ground Zero in the Santa Cruz > County Lyme Wars, which oddly enough turns out to be my apartment. > > There is cold morning air coming in through all the windows. I > shiver gratefully because the heat has been spiking up in the 90s > here in the afternoons and collecting cold air overnight and in the > morning has become essential to my survival of the long afternoon > heat. > > Today my older brother is bringing me an air conditioner. The cheap > kind that sits in the window is not allowed in my apartment complex, > so family funds were required to purchase a portable unit powerful > enough to cool a large apartment. > > My brother lives more than 5 hours from here, in a part of the state > that gets a LOT of heat, so he's bringing a more expensive, high- > tech thingamabob that vents through a tube that goes flush with the > window without poking out of it. > > There is a medical reason for my brother's visit, beyond rescuing me > from the heat. Because my HMO has declared war on my diagnosis, what > was already a desperate medical and financial situation is now also > a legal minefield. So there is something of great importance that > may or may not happen today, but for legal reasons I can't tell you > what it is. > > Now several of you have offered to write letters. I received a > request from one of you for details, which I provided. With Penny's > permission, I will post those details (a concise summary of things > that have already been disclosed here) to the Files Section. That > way if you want to write a letter and need notes to crib from you'll > have them, but they won't disrupt " the purpose of this list. " > > In the meantime, I wanted to share something I saw on 60 minutes, > which even my 'now you see it, now you don't' memory hasn't been > able to shake. > > It was a few weeks back, if go to cbsnews.com you can probably find > it. The report was on these people who survived the Tsunami, when > everyone else was devastated, because they saw it coming. It turns > out that several generations back something of the kind had happened > before. > > Because these people convey their history through an oral tradition, > they had a reference point, an oral history that said " when you see > the sea acting like this, all hell is going to break loose, you must > get to higher ground. " > > So when the sea began to behave oddly, they had a reference point, > knew a huge wave was coming and got themselves to higher ground. It > took some shouting. The younger ones were skeptical when the elder, > who knew the old tales better than anyone, told them: get to higher > ground, or you die. But the whole tribe listened, and the whole > tribe survived. > > Now I'll share another story with you, that my sister-in-law shared > with me about a personal acquaintance. He too was in Southeast Asia > in the path of the Tsunami. But he's a modern guy, like me. He > looked out his hotel window. The sea had receded with freakish > speed, there was this big wave coming. > > He didn't think, just dived off the balcony of his hotel into the > pool, where he remained underwater by clinging to the ladder you use > to climb out. When he finally had to come up for air, everything was > underwater, and he was surrounded by corpses, raw sewage, the > skeleton of the hotel... > > I tell these stories, because they describe the response to > imminent, unstoppable catastrophe. > > In the 60 minutes piece, we're reminded that listening to stories > about things that we ourselves have never experienced, and taking > them seriously, can save us in situations where nothing else can. > > In my sister-in-law's story, we're reminded that in real life we > seldom have the time we would like to deliberate on how best to > respond to a problem. Some problems deprive of us of that luxury. > What matters then is: > > Do I see what is coming? > > Do I hear, and act on, that still small center knows WHAT to do, but > has no time to explain WHY? > > I believe that the Lyme epidemic is real, driven by multiple > pathogenic strains of borrelia. I believe that there is a real, > organized effort to conceal the scope and seriousness of this > epidemic from the public. I believe that effort extends as far as > the influence of the United States, the United Kingdom, and huge, > multinational corporations whose gross revenues exceed the gross > national product of many countries. > > I believe that there is a real " Tuskegee II " experiment going on, > and that the right of all human beings everywhere, even the wealthy, > to critically needed medical care will emerge from this experience > either greatly diminished or powerfully reaffirmed. I believe it is > one or the other, there is no 'third way'. > > I am acting under pressures that words cannot convey. If you think > you understand, you're wrong. If you know that you don't understand, > you're right. I don't understand these pressures - or the price they > exact from me - myself, and I know infinitely more about that than I > can communicate to you. > > Besides, there is no time. > > So if you want to think good thoughts my way today, I'm grateful for > them. If you want an image to focus on, picture me jumping off the > balcony into a pool that may or may not be deep enough for cushion > my fall and protect me from what is about to hit. > > Yes, the pool will be deep enough. > > Yes, I have seen what's coming in time to escape being crushed by it. > > No, Tony, I do not have time to debate with you about whether the > Tsunami is real. When Tuskegee II has been stopped, I'll be happy to > have that conversation with you. Right now, we must all do what we > can, and I respect what you are doing or trying to do to help the > survivors. > > Me, I have no sense. I not only intend to survive, I intend to stop > this damn wave and send it back to the hell it came from. > > Damn. That's a long way down, that pool. Oh well. Here's goes nuthin. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Barb, See! There's no getting away from it, yet we are so absolutely rational, or are we? ) Nelly [infections] Re: Field Report from Agent Scha Nelly:In my entire life, I've bought 3 movies."Ressurrection" (1974) Helen Bursten"Dead Man" - Jonny Deppand Pete Weirs "The Last Wave".Those 3 about tell it all.Barb> ,> > I knew you were a "mulkurul" as well (re Weir's film The last Wave"). > > I have had very similar feelings for quite a long time now, but where is that damn swimming pool?!!!> > Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 sometimes we need a little madness to take the plunge. Agent Scha is on the right tip if you ask me, but of course I'm a raving nutter given my own deep sea diving. agent bleu > Barb, > > See! There's no getting away from it, yet we are so absolutely > rational, or are we? ) > > Nelly >> [infections] Re: Field Report from Agent Scha >> >> Nelly: >> >> In my entire life, I've bought 3 movies. >> " Ressurrection " (1974) Helen Bursten >> " Dead Man " - Jonny Depp >> >> and Pete Weirs " The Last Wave " . >> >> Those 3 about tell it all. >> Barb >> >> >> >> > , >> > >> > I knew you were a " mulkurul " as well (re Weir's film The last >> Wave " ). >> > >> > I have had very similar feelings for quite a long time now, but >> where is that damn swimming pool?!!! >> > >> > Nelly >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 , Feel free to post your stuff in the files section (as long as it isn't a huge file, since doesn't provide a lot of space). We'll look at it as a temporary holding place until you have your plan of action worked out. I've always wanted to win the lottery. I'd create a patient advocacy board to help people through this kind of crap. But it would take a lot of resources since the problem's so pervasive, and so many people need help, probably a personal caseworker for each one. We really need someone in a position of power and money who can take on the system, especially the insurance companies. We need a big lobby, big bucks, and a lot of energy. Pretty much everything we don't have right now. Anyway, best of luck. It's great that you have such a strong support system. penny > Dear Friends and Fellow Agents, > > This is agent Scha, reporting from Ground Zero in the Santa Cruz > County Lyme Wars, which oddly enough turns out to be my apartment. > > There is cold morning air coming in through all the windows. I > shiver gratefully because the heat has been spiking up in the 90s > here in the afternoons and collecting cold air overnight and in the > morning has become essential to my survival of the long afternoon > heat. > > Today my older brother is bringing me an air conditioner. The cheap > kind that sits in the window is not allowed in my apartment complex, > so family funds were required to purchase a portable unit powerful > enough to cool a large apartment. > > My brother lives more than 5 hours from here, in a part of the state > that gets a LOT of heat, so he's bringing a more expensive, high- > tech thingamabob that vents through a tube that goes flush with the > window without poking out of it. > > There is a medical reason for my brother's visit, beyond rescuing me > from the heat. Because my HMO has declared war on my diagnosis, what > was already a desperate medical and financial situation is now also > a legal minefield. So there is something of great importance that > may or may not happen today, but for legal reasons I can't tell you > what it is. > > Now several of you have offered to write letters. I received a > request from one of you for details, which I provided. With Penny's > permission, I will post those details (a concise summary of things > that have already been disclosed here) to the Files Section. That > way if you want to write a letter and need notes to crib from you'll > have them, but they won't disrupt " the purpose of this list. " > > In the meantime, I wanted to share something I saw on 60 minutes, > which even my 'now you see it, now you don't' memory hasn't been > able to shake. > > It was a few weeks back, if go to cbsnews.com you can probably find > it. The report was on these people who survived the Tsunami, when > everyone else was devastated, because they saw it coming. It turns > out that several generations back something of the kind had happened > before. > > Because these people convey their history through an oral tradition, > they had a reference point, an oral history that said " when you see > the sea acting like this, all hell is going to break loose, you must > get to higher ground. " > > So when the sea began to behave oddly, they had a reference point, > knew a huge wave was coming and got themselves to higher ground. It > took some shouting. The younger ones were skeptical when the elder, > who knew the old tales better than anyone, told them: get to higher > ground, or you die. But the whole tribe listened, and the whole > tribe survived. > > Now I'll share another story with you, that my sister-in-law shared > with me about a personal acquaintance. He too was in Southeast Asia > in the path of the Tsunami. But he's a modern guy, like me. He > looked out his hotel window. The sea had receded with freakish > speed, there was this big wave coming. > > He didn't think, just dived off the balcony of his hotel into the > pool, where he remained underwater by clinging to the ladder you use > to climb out. When he finally had to come up for air, everything was > underwater, and he was surrounded by corpses, raw sewage, the > skeleton of the hotel... > > I tell these stories, because they describe the response to > imminent, unstoppable catastrophe. > > In the 60 minutes piece, we're reminded that listening to stories > about things that we ourselves have never experienced, and taking > them seriously, can save us in situations where nothing else can. > > In my sister-in-law's story, we're reminded that in real life we > seldom have the time we would like to deliberate on how best to > respond to a problem. Some problems deprive of us of that luxury. > What matters then is: > > Do I see what is coming? > > Do I hear, and act on, that still small center knows WHAT to do, but > has no time to explain WHY? > > I believe that the Lyme epidemic is real, driven by multiple > pathogenic strains of borrelia. I believe that there is a real, > organized effort to conceal the scope and seriousness of this > epidemic from the public. I believe that effort extends as far as > the influence of the United States, the United Kingdom, and huge, > multinational corporations whose gross revenues exceed the gross > national product of many countries. > > I believe that there is a real " Tuskegee II " experiment going on, > and that the right of all human beings everywhere, even the wealthy, > to critically needed medical care will emerge from this experience > either greatly diminished or powerfully reaffirmed. I believe it is > one or the other, there is no 'third way'. > > I am acting under pressures that words cannot convey. If you think > you understand, you're wrong. If you know that you don't understand, > you're right. I don't understand these pressures - or the price they > exact from me - myself, and I know infinitely more about that than I > can communicate to you. > > Besides, there is no time. > > So if you want to think good thoughts my way today, I'm grateful for > them. If you want an image to focus on, picture me jumping off the > balcony into a pool that may or may not be deep enough for cushion > my fall and protect me from what is about to hit. > > Yes, the pool will be deep enough. > > Yes, I have seen what's coming in time to escape being crushed by it. > > No, Tony, I do not have time to debate with you about whether the > Tsunami is real. When Tuskegee II has been stopped, I'll be happy to > have that conversation with you. Right now, we must all do what we > can, and I respect what you are doing or trying to do to help the > survivors. > > Me, I have no sense. I not only intend to survive, I intend to stop > this damn wave and send it back to the hell it came from. > > Damn. That's a long way down, that pool. Oh well. Here's goes nuthin. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Yin and Yang. I am of the metphysical, and of the scientific. SO are you I think. Barb > > , > > > > I knew you were a " mulkurul " as well (re Weir's film The last > Wave " ). > > > > I have had very similar feelings for quite a long time now, but > where is that damn swimming pool?!!! > > > > Nelly > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Then you are in good company agent Bleu. S I have got very behind reading all the messages here and was gutted to see what had happened, I had such high hopes that you were on your way. If you put the info we need in the files section, I too will support your case. In spite of everything here you are again fighting back and writing in a way we can all indentify with. Guess that pool's gonna get very crowded soon. Cheers, Tansy > >> > , > >> > > >> > I knew you were a " mulkurul " as well (re Weir's film The last > >> Wave " ). > >> > > >> > I have had very similar feelings for quite a long time now, but > >> where is that damn swimming pool?!!! > >> > > >> > Nelly > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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