Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Jill I would get microbioloby supplies thru my friend the mocrobiologist due to the fact that they come from interstate.Yourself personally if you have anyone in this line of work a vet even they can help you get your supplies from your neck of the woods.I do recall thinking early in the piece which relative of mine has a foot in the door so I could have a starting point. Unfortuntaely a niece not far away had stopped lab work many years earlier concentrating on her own business.Then just thru my doctor I got to give a few samples at a lab and get on well with the boss and senior micro and never looked back. The ebay microscope shop is UNBELEIVABLE get yourself a binocular biology microscope that has 1000X I think they also have 1600X which most labs scopes don't have- and there's a few. Just remember they must have that 100x oil immersion lense which is the 1000x needed for biology.I would just pin prick and grow my own bacteria straight out of the blood straight onto culture media aka tarello. tony > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me a summary > of how you went about this. > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. WHere did > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are necessary, and you > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn good. What is > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is cheap on > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have access to > people who would help train me. > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or did you > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres some way > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you used that > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it again. > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always try to get > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but I'm curious > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you said about > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 TOny...pin prick, as say, a diabetic does with a one touch machine? And just a drop of blood onto culture media? So you didn't need to identify what was growing, just see that it was inhibited by antibiotics? But how do you get the antibiotics and in what form? I'll have to google tarello. > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me a > summary > > of how you went about this. > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. WHere > did > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are necessary, and > you > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn good. What > is > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is cheap on > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have access to > > people who would help train me. > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or did > you > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres some > way > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you used > that > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it again. > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always try to > get > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but I'm > curious > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you said > about > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Jill I do identify. You firstly observe that it's a staph species, secondly using blood plasma you determine it's a coagulase negative staph it doesn't clump blood plasma like a coagulase positive staph areus, MRSA would. Secondly I have over 60 testing discs which are very expensive to accumulate so you can observe what drug kicks best. I also throw anything I think of into the middle of the plate after seeding it with a lawn of bacteria to observe impacts of everyday items on bacterial growths. tony > > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me a > > summary > > > of how you went about this. > > > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. WHere > > did > > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are necessary, and > > you > > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn good. What > > is > > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is cheap > on > > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have access to > > > people who would help train me. > > > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or did > > you > > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres some > > way > > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you used > > that > > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it again. > > > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always try to > > get > > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but I'm > > curious > > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you said > > about > > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Tony, I think you used photos from medical books in the beginning to i.d. the bugs? I know you're good at it, because you i.d.'d the same bugs our labs did (sometimes more than the lab). penny > > > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me a > > > summary > > > > of how you went about this. > > > > > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. > WHere > > > did > > > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are necessary, > and > > > you > > > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn good. > What > > > is > > > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is > cheap > > on > > > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have access > to > > > > people who would help train me. > > > > > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or > did > > > you > > > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres > some > > > way > > > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you > used > > > that > > > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it > again. > > > > > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always try > to > > > get > > > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but I'm > > > curious > > > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you said > > > about > > > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 How would you get your blood to him? I spent time in Sydney and in Melbourne and Dandenongs at one point. In healthier dayes . > > > > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me a > > > > summary > > > > > of how you went about this. > > > > > > > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > > > > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. > > WHere > > > > did > > > > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are necessary, > > and > > > > you > > > > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn good. > > What > > > > is > > > > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is > > cheap > > > on > > > > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have > access > > to > > > > > people who would help train me. > > > > > > > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or > > did > > > > you > > > > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres > > some > > > > way > > > > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you > > used > > > > that > > > > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > > > > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it > > again. > > > > > > > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always > try > > to > > > > get > > > > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but I'm > > > > curious > > > > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you > said > > > > about > > > > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 We sent him swab kits that come with transport medium. We mainly sent nasal swabs but sometimes swabbed other bodily fluids. I sent him swabs once that got hung up in customs and didn't get to him until something like 9 months after I sent them. The bugs were still alive and well in their little tubes. You can also do a blood smear on a glass slide (some special handling needed) but due to Customs problems, I don't think any of this is advisable now. For a while, Tony's lab was willing to work with people who couldn't get testing done in the U.S, but customs ruined that. Esoterix, the infectious disease lab in Texas, will do the same tests for you (i.e. won't throw out staphs as " normal flora " and will keep the samples for up to two weeks for slow growers, if your doc directs them to). They'll set up an account with your doc very easily at no charge to him. I made the arrangements for my doc. penny > > > > > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me > a > > > > > summary > > > > > > of how you went about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. > > > WHere > > > > > did > > > > > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are > necessary, > > > and > > > > > you > > > > > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn > good. > > > What > > > > > is > > > > > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is > > > cheap > > > > on > > > > > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have > > access > > > to > > > > > > people who would help train me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or > > > did > > > > > you > > > > > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres > > > some > > > > > way > > > > > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you > > > used > > > > > that > > > > > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always > > try > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but > I'm > > > > > curious > > > > > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you > > said > > > > > about > > > > > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 INteresting. But some infections are sequestered so aren't you just getting ones that line mucus membranes (ie swab nose, mouth, or ahem, private parts or something?) I wonder what Tony would say about the salt and vitamin C protocol. > > > > > > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give > me > > a > > > > > > summary > > > > > > > of how you went about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own > hands. > > > > WHere > > > > > > did > > > > > > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are > > necessary, > > > > and > > > > > > you > > > > > > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn > > good. > > > > What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that > is > > > > cheap > > > > > on > > > > > > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have > > > access > > > > to > > > > > > > people who would help train me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? > Or > > > > did > > > > > > you > > > > > > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign > theres > > > > some > > > > > > way > > > > > > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited > you > > > > used > > > > > > that > > > > > > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear > it > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you > always > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but > > I'm > > > > > > curious > > > > > > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you > > > said > > > > > > about > > > > > > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Tony loves salt. Great in vitro, kills everything. He's always saying to eat a LOT of salt, sit near the ocean, etc. (actually,he'd prefer you live right on the beach). We also learned that not only does salt kill organisms, but Vitamin C apparently attacks the biofilms that protect the organisms, so the protocol's got potential. Tony, and microbiologists that I've talked to who " get " this, say that it makes a lot more sense to treat the organisms you can see are clearly toxic (by how much resistance they show to abx), no matter what part of the body they come from. My friends and I have found time and again that the toxic bugs in our noses are the same bugs that are in our bones (which aren't supposed to be there). Dr. Shoemaker sort of takes the same approach. If your staph are resistant to 3 abx, he considers them toxic staph, rather than normal flora. When you have heavy growth of bugs that are resistant to abx, then treating with abx they are susceptible to will usually kill just about anything else you may have as well. Or at least knock your infection load down enough to help your immune system handle it. Conversely, if you're treating yourself with drugs that your staphs, etc., are resistant to, then you're probably just encouraging their growth, and I doubt if your invisible nasties will be susceptible to an abx that your visible bugs aren't. We may very well have any number of invisible organisms, but I can guarantee that these staphs and psuedomonas, etc. are making people very sick. I'm seriously wondering now if I might not have contracted c. pnuemonia as a child (also hard to detect) which made me vulnerable to all these other infections. But I know the staphs and pseudomonas are definitely making me ill. When I treat my organisms, based on abx susceptiblity as seen in the petri dish, I feel WAY better. And interestingly, I have very little " herxing " with that. Definitely some die-off signs, but in general I just feel better and better (until bugs become resistant to the drugs). This is how Tony always reacted to treatment, feeling better and better, with just minor and occasional discomfort from the abx. Nothing nasty. No prolonged " herxing " . When he did experience discomfort, he'd increase his abx. Seems backwards, but Tony's always doing things differently, and I've learned over the years to pay attention. I think Tony got well so much faster, exactly because of his constant (obsessive) observation of his organisms. The second he saw his bugs start to turn (become resistant to an abx) he'd switch to a new combo. He went from EXTREMELY sick to extremely WELL with this process. That's why it's frustrating that we can't get our doctors to do this simple lab work that they used to do a few decades back right in their own offices. It could be such a huge aid in getting us well. Every one of my friends (even those with lyme) who've had any success at all with chronic osteomyelitis (bone infection) have done it with cultures and sensitivities of their organisms. If you don't that condition treat correctly, it's pretty much impossible to get better at all. penny > INteresting. But some infections are sequestered so aren't you just > getting ones that line mucus membranes (ie swab nose, mouth, or ahem, > private parts or something?) > > I wonder what Tony would say about the salt and vitamin C protocol. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Almost right, basically you grow colonies and observe colours. Mrsa is frequently yellow but at the odd time it can be white. You also observe types of growth rhizoid, smooth, and a few others. For egs sherri sent me a swab a couple of months back that grew a few hundred colonies of staph epidermis which was easy but I then observed a red colony of gram negative bacillus I believe what I felt was a serratia species and lo and behold her local lab picked it up also called it serratia marscenans(sp). I also had many colonies that grow that have mixed growths in each colony so I would go to the lab and have them double check.Many times these are known as coliforms not really bad, more opportunistic anal flora.You get into the swing easily when you can have someone looking over your shoulder so a friend or relative working at a vet or hospital; system can be your biggest ally. tony > > > > > I know you have done this before, but if you could give me a > > > > summary > > > > > of how you went about this. > > > > > > > > > > I remember you said you had the help of a microbiologist. > > > > > > > > > > So, you were ill. And you took matters into your own hands. > > WHere > > > > did > > > > > you buy your petri dishes or whatever mediums are necessary, > > and > > > > you > > > > > have said previously microscopes on ebay are cheap adn good. > > What > > > > is > > > > > a good standard power microscope that I could buy that is > > cheap > > > on > > > > > ebay? I really don't have any clue. I do probably have > access > > to > > > > > people who would help train me. > > > > > > > > > > Then, where do you get the sample? Is it a blood sample? Or > > did > > > > you > > > > > buy bacteria and just test abx on them? I'm assumign theres > > some > > > > way > > > > > you figured out what you had and when it was inhibited you > > used > > > > that > > > > > abx until it wasnt then switched. > > > > > > > > > > I know you've told the story before but I'd like to hear it > > again. > > > > > > > > > > Also, do you just crumble up the tablets, or do you always > try > > to > > > > get > > > > > abx in capsule form so they are powder? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if i have the wherewithal todo all this but I'm > > > > curious > > > > > and have been for a while now. IT is intersting what you > said > > > > about > > > > > rifampin and drug resistant tb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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