Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 And that paper is dated 2001... I can imagine how the blood supply was in 1975 (mixed donors from all over the world). I'm sure there's people like me out there - from the same hospital- operated on in the same day that got transfusions the same day- maybe with the same batch of blood.... I often wondered about those people after puting 2 and 2 together. (course it took 25 years to add that 2 and 2 ) Barb > Here is evidence of borrelia infection in more than 2% of blood > donors: > > http://tinyurl.com/7qk5a > > PMID: 11760157 > > I'd like to know if this 2% remain asymptomatic for, say, the next > 10 years, and how their transfusion recipients are doing now, > and will being doing 10 years from now. > > Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Ya'll probably saw my post on this (~2 months ago)... but I didnt find much in the way of long term studies on blood recipients when I spent 20 minutes looking into it. Its hard to know just what to compare their health to, because the health of many recipients is bad and deteriorating. As I recall, any given person who was a recent recipient had a 20 or 25% chance of dying within a couple years. > > Here is evidence of borrelia infection in more than 2% of blood > > donors: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7qk5a > > > > PMID: 11760157 > > > > I'd like to know if this 2% remain asymptomatic for, say, the next > > 10 years, and how their transfusion recipients are doing now, > > and will being doing 10 years from now. > > > > Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 No, I missed that post. Sorry for giving out redundant info. I worked for a year at one of the Red Cross's National Testing Larboratories. The regional centers send some aliquots of each donation to the lab to be tested (mostly overnight). The lab sends the results back to the centers so they can give out the blood that day. The aliquots are stored for awhile in walk-in cold rooms. I wonder what it would take for a researcher to gain access to those aliquots (which eventually get discarded) and then trace them forward to the recipients. The recipients could be assessed for sero-conversion after-the-fact and compared to control recipients. That would risk bad PR (or worse) for the blood banks, so I wonder if they have the right to refuse access to the samples and to the identities of the recipients. Matt > > > Here is evidence of borrelia infection in more than 2% of blood > > > donors: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7qk5a > > > > > > PMID: 11760157 > > > > > > I'd like to know if this 2% remain asymptomatic for, say, the > next > > > 10 years, and how their transfusion recipients are doing now, > > > and will being doing 10 years from now. > > > > > > Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 > recipients could be > assessed for sero-conversion Or assessed for antigen using fAb. But like you say, its probably not going to happen soon. When it does happen, as it inevitably must happen one of these centuries, it may not be pretty. What I read on immunesupport was many people saying they were excluded from donation due to a FMS or CFS dx, but just as many (like a dozen) saying wow, they never heard of any such thing, didnt see FMS or CFS on the screening questionnaires they were given, and that they had always donated every few months. Fortunately the consensus in those discussions was that everyone sick should stop donating. " phagelod " <mpalmer@u...> wrote: > No, I missed that post. Sorry for giving out redundant info. > > I worked for a year at one of the Red Cross's National Testing > Larboratories. The regional centers send some aliquots of each > donation to the lab to be tested (mostly overnight). The lab > sends the results back to the centers so they can give out the > blood that day. The aliquots are stored for awhile in walk-in cold > rooms. > > I wonder what it would take for a researcher to gain access to > those aliquots (which eventually get discarded) and then trace > them forward to the recipients. The recipients could be > assessed for sero-conversion after-the-fact and compared to > control recipients. That would risk bad PR (or worse) for the > blood banks, so I wonder if they have the right to refuse access > to the samples and to the identities of the recipients. > > Matt > > > > > > > Here is evidence of borrelia infection in more than 2% of > blood > > > > donors: > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7qk5a > > > > > > > > PMID: 11760157 > > > > > > > > I'd like to know if this 2% remain asymptomatic for, say, the > > next > > > > 10 years, and how their transfusion recipients are doing > now, > > > > and will being doing 10 years from now. > > > > > > > > Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 > And that paper is dated 2001... > > I can imagine how the blood supply was in 1975 (mixed > donors from all over the world). > > I'm sure there's people like me out there - from the same hospital- > operated on in the same day that got transfusions the same day- > maybe with the same batch of blood.... > I often wondered about those people after puting 2 and 2 together. > (course it took 25 years to add that 2 and 2 ) > > Barb Hi Barb I also had a blood transfusion in 1975 and it was within one year I started to get anxiety problems which I had never had before. By 1979 my real problems started, frequent vertigo attacks, migraines and anxiety disorder. Looking back I thought this was because my adrenals were damaged because I had lost so much blood immediately after childbirth and this can damage the HPA axis but maybe I also had contaminated blood, who knows? Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 I think public pools are another " cesspool " of potential infection. Although I had not been feeling 100% healthy since childhood, it was when I was taking a swimming class at a local Y that I came down with a terrible sinus infection, which was the beginning of almost 20 years of migraines. Wouldn't have made a connection with the pool and the sinus infection, except that at the very same time I stepped on a small rock in the pool and got an infected foot that simply would not heal. Eventually it did, but apparently the sinus infection did not. AFter several rounds of abx for the sinus infection, the doc told me I couldn't continue taking abx without serious side effects so I'd have to tough it out or consider exploratory surgery. I toughed it out. It " seemed " to eventually go away on its own accord, as did the foot infection. But here I am, almost 20 years later with " diseased " sinuses. That must have been one resistant bug, considering I picked it up in a heavily chlorinated pool. penny > > And that paper is dated 2001... > > > > I can imagine how the blood supply was in 1975 (mixed > > donors from all over the world). > > > > I'm sure there's people like me out there - from the same hospital- > > > operated on in the same day that got transfusions the same day- > > maybe with the same batch of blood.... > > I often wondered about those people after puting 2 and 2 > together. > > (course it took 25 years to add that 2 and 2 ) > > > > Barb > > Hi Barb > > I also had a blood transfusion in 1975 and it was within one year I > started to get anxiety problems which I had never had before. By > 1979 my real problems started, frequent vertigo attacks, migraines > and anxiety disorder. Looking back I thought this was because my > adrenals were damaged because I had lost so much blood immediately > after childbirth and this can damage the HPA axis but maybe I also > had contaminated blood, who knows? > > Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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