Re: Penny: Please invite back - The Purpose of this list

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Dan, " rudeness " is not an issue on this board. " Rudeness " is

personal perception.

I am responsible for this list. And The issue on my list is that I

will not tolerate one group member slandering another group member,

calling them a liar, or claiming they are intentionally misleading

people to promote some personal agenda. That includes attacking

someone over an opinion or because of a treatment protocol they're

following. I dont' care how pretty it may be written, I won't

tolerate it.

Even calling Tony " rude " is a mild personal attack. Far more people

attack Tony because they don't like his " tone " or how he says what

he says, than he has ever attacked any individuals.

Tony doesn't call YOU stupid. He's talking about medical practices

being stupid. I know tony, and if he does say " you're stupid " it's

because he's not attentive to his writing. But if he does call " you "

stupid, then I will bust his butt for it, too. As I have done

before. But he rarely attacks INDIVIDUALS. He actually really cares

about people, and that's why he's so passionate about so many people

not getting better, and rants and raves in his posts.

People, we have to be able to learn to distinguish between what is

personal and what is just an opinion or style we don't like. If you

don't like someone's style, then scroll on by. There are people who

I feel are abrasive in their styles, but they don't attack anyone,

so I have no problem with their posts. I may just skim over them.

I also skim over long, emotional posts, because that's not what I'm

interested in, after spending many years on those kinds of lists,

feeling myself being sucked down into an abyss of despair. It's not

that I don't have compassion for people in this state. I do. I know

so many people who are REALLY sick, some have died, some have been

going out of their minds with pain, some can't walk, some are on

ventilators, and I've despaired many times and felt like I was dying

myself, so I have compassion and great empathy. And yes, I do think

we need reminders of what we're really dealing with every so often.

I was very moved by Jelly's rare post for example.

But I have found that dwelling on despair is NOT helpful in the long

run. Not to the person who's suffering, and not to the other people

on the list. What usually happens on those kinds of emotional lists

is that they degenerate into bickering and aggression. People

getting upset very easily by other people's " tone " . So I

specifically did NOT create that kind of list. There are plenty of

other lists that serve the purpose of emotional support, where

people can vent about their pain and suffering.

This list started out with a lot of very scientific minds

contributing, including 's. He has a very fine mind. I want to

see THAT trend continue here, by remaining a place that's objective

and impartial. I don't want to lose the scientific minds because

this list has turned into a copy of so many other lists, --

emotional, bickering, etc. There is no need for another list like

that.

Still, I will never tell people they can't post how they're feeling.

But since inception, we always had the policy that if it's a

personal kind of post, or a thank-you kind of post, etc., it should

be done back channel, so that we can keep the focus on this board

pro-active and research/cure oriented. Unfortunately, when we lost

the old board, we lost the old board's home page description, and

rules and disclaimers, one of which was NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, which I

haven't had time to reconstruct. Perhaps getting that reposted will

help remind people why we're here (if they ever visit the home page).

can come back to the list as soon as he agrees to not make

personal attacks or accusations toward ANY individual/s. Its'

simple, and it's the rule of the list. If people don't like that,

then there are so many other lists out there.

Again, I don't have time to manage a bickering board, and if we lose

our original focus, I will not keep it going. Period. I don't have

the time to waste, and after what I've been through, I don't have

any desire to put myself at risk for something that's not 100%

worthwhile and worth fighting for.

Please try to remember that it's all a matter of perception. One

person's " rude " is another person's " funny " . There's only one

guideline we can follow for sure, and will continue to follow, and

that is, we will NOT tolerate personal attacks on each other.

If you want , or anyone else to participate, then write to him,

not me, and encourage him to resign up and post, while following the

rule of the list. No personal attacks. It's that simple.

penny

> > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had a vote

> Penny you

> > would loose this one hands down.

> >

> > Im on strike until hes back.

> >

> > agent bleu

> >

> > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting holliday camp. So

> I figured

> > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and walk in them

> for a

> > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for 5 minutes

> and I am

> > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and yellowing me.

> " They call me

> > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly need " mellow " ,

> so " on

> > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow " trailing

along ?

> Does

> > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > >  

> > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my relatively

> logical,

> > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien (zolpidem) for sleep,

> I want

> > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic prose that

> > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I flop on my

> nose.

> > >  

> > > come back, your brain (whatever state the machine said

> it was in,

> > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so shup up,

> machine we

> > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in Residence

> here, some

> > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > >  

> > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and when

> some go ar get

> > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > >  

> > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more eyes/brain/writing

> capacity

> > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no, no energy,

> in bed

> > > all day

> > >  

> > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to sign also)

> > >

> > >