Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Okay, doesn't this last paragraph seem kind of significant? Actually, kind of huge??? " Five of the Missouri isolates were obtained from the Dowd farm which is the site of a human patient with a classical erythema migrans (EM) lesion and clinically diagnosed with LD. Interestingly, however, preliminary experiments involving needle injection of 2 of the isolates into mice failed to infect the mice. " Why would injecting the isolates not infect the mice? Does this mean we're dealing with an immune system problem first, not a contagion problem? Does anybody know if IGENEX has done any trials with healthy patients as controls? Do we know whether the same number of healthy people tested positive on their tests? (I remember a friend telling me that the founder of Igenex told her something along these lines). That would mean the question is why can't some of us recover from these organisms? Or why do we get overwhelmed by them when others don't? It's the same with staph. Everyone carries staph. But why do we have billions times more of the critters than other people? That's why even though I'm sick, I don't make other people sick, unless they are also predisposed or some how exposed to the same conditions I have making us more susceptible. penny > This is a crosspost from lymenet. Wherever its from, its not in > pubmed yet. Whole text from lymenet is below, but I'll spare ya the > suspense: > > " Western blots are being conducted to confirm positive ELISA results. > Rabbits, deer, white-footed mice, cotton mice, and deer all show a > prevalence of 65% or more positive for presence of IgG antibodies to > the MOD-1 Bb isolate. " > > > ================================================================ > > > H. Oliver, Jr., PhD > Institute of Arthropodology & Parisitology, Georgia Southern > University > Bb sensu lato Isolates from Missouri > J.H. Oliver, Jr., T.M. Kollars, Jr., and F.W. Chandler, Jr. Institute > of Arthropodology and Parasitology, Georgia Southern University > > A total of 31 species of vertebrate animals were examined for > presence of ticks and spirochetes at 20 study sites in southeastern > Missouri. > > These included 22 mammals, 6 birds, and 3 reptile species. Ticks were > also obtained by flagging/dragging the vegetation. Tick and/or host > tissues were inoculated into BSKII medium in hopes of establishing > laboratory cultures of spirochetes. > > A total of 45 isolates were obtained from ticks attached to 15 > eastern cottontail rabbits from 8 sites located in 5 counties. > > All isolates were from various developmental stages of Ixodes > dentatus except one was from an Amblyomma americanum larva and one > from a Haemaphysalis leporispalustris larva. The spirochetes were > routinely screened by IFA monoclonal antibodies specific for Bb and > included OspA (H5332, H3TS), OspB (H5TS,H6831, H614), and the > Borrelia genus-specific H9724; two B. hermsii specific antibodies > (9826, H4825) were also tested. > > The spirochete isolates were also analyzed by the PCR using several > Bb specific ospA primers (788/944, 149/319, 149/459,3'/5'), fla > (245/855), and 's chromosomal primer (147/520). Several of the > isolates were subjected to SDS-PAGE analysis and pulsed-field gel > electrophoresis (PFGE). > > Based on the above analyses all of the Missouri spirochete isolates > are considered to be Bb sensu lato but are phenotypically and > genetically different from Bb sensu stricto and in fact, appear to be > rather similar to the genospecies B. andersonii. > > There are interesting differences among the Missouri isolates > themselves. There are at least 5 immunological types and a dendrogram > based on those data including 5 isolates from the Dowd farm and B. > burgdorferi s.s., B. garinii, and B. hermsii suggests that MOD-5 is > more closely related to B-31 B. burgdorferi s.s. than to MOD-1, MOD- > 2, MOD-3, and MOD-6. > > This relationship appears to be similar when a dendrogram is > constructed based on data from pulsed-field gel electrophoresis. > There are also at least 5 PCR types among the Missouri isolates thus > far screened. > > An ELISA for detecting antibodies against Missouri isolate MOD-1 was > developed and analyses of sera from mammals collected in southeast > Missouri thus far indicate high prevalences of antibodies in several > species of hosts of ticks with the highest in cottontail rabbits > followed by white-tailed deer, rodents, and raccoons. > > Western blots are being conducted to confirm positive ELISA results. > Rabbits, deer, white-footed mice, cotton mice, and deer all show a > prevalence of 65% or more positive for presence of IgG antibodies to > the MOD-1 Bb isolate. > > Five of the Missouri isolates were obtained from the Dowd farm which > is the site of a human patient with a classical erythema migrans (EM) > lesion and clinically diagnosed with LD. Interestingly, however, > preliminary experiments involving needle injection of 2 of the > isolates into mice failed to infect the mice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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