Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Morning , At 04:59 AM 6/7/04, you wrote: I was confused and thought that I read that DMSO was good for spider bites, when after reading the archives, it seems that its not. Many things could be happening. The immune system has the ability to do what you are saying that DMSO is doing. My first treatment was MSM mixed with Ethel alcohol. MSM and DMSO are much the same. So many suggested treatments exist, you will not be able to practice all of them, even if you had the list. I put DMSO on my husband's spider bite hoping to help it, but what was once red and painful is now swollen and hot. The swelling is a natural defense action. At one time, I had swelling. I never considered it anything except fantastic. Some people who do not produce adequate swelling at the right time, usually have serious problems. Where is the bite located? How long since he bite? Has he had any fever yet? What is his age and general physical condition? Spend some time on the Dr. Stan Abrams site. http://www.spiderbitetreatment.com/ ( or simply type into google, " Dr Stan Abrams " + spiderbite ) Also, if you can get the information from the Univ of OK, try to do so. Force feed the immune system during such ordeals, or any other similar attacks on the body. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 My concern is that it could cause the venom to spread. The most effective treatments I have heard of involve pulling the venom out with clay poltices or breaking it down with low voltage electric current. I have heard of others using DMSO on insect bites, but a spider bite involves quite a bit more venom, and more toxic venom. www.silverlist.org has some great info on spider bites in their archives. See in particular messages by Wayne Fuggit. Search the list archives, which you do not have to join the list to access. Garnet > I was confused and thought that I read that DMSO was good for spider > bites, when after reading the archives, it seems that its not. > I put DMSO on my husband's spider bite hoping to help it, but what > was once red and painful is now swollen and hot. > Any suggestions on how to counter this? > Any helpful suggestions would be great. > Thank you, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 There you are Wayne, I was just referring this woman to your posts! Thanks! Garnet > Morning , > > At 04:59 AM 6/7/04, you wrote: > > I was confused and thought that I read that DMSO was good for spider > > bites, when after reading the archives, it seems that its not. > > Many things could be happening. The immune system has the > ability to do what you are saying that DMSO is doing. > > My first treatment was MSM mixed with Ethel alcohol. MSM and > DMSO are much the same. > So many suggested treatments exist, you will not be able to practice > all of them, even if you had the list. > > > I put DMSO on my husband's spider bite hoping to help it, but what > > was once red and painful is now swollen and hot. > > The swelling is a natural defense action. At one time, I had > swelling. I never considered it anything except > fantastic. Some people who do not produce adequate swelling at the > right time, usually have serious problems. > > Where is the bite located? How long since he bite? > > Has he had any fever yet? > > What is his age and general physical condition? > > Spend some time on the Dr. Stan Abrams site. > http://www.spiderbitetreatment.com/ > ( or simply type into google, " Dr Stan Abrams " + spiderbite ) > > Also, if you can get the information from the Univ of OK, try to do > so. > > Force feed the immune system during such ordeals, or any other > similar attacks on the body. > > Wayne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Try Benadryl ! spider bites > I was confused and thought that I read that DMSO was good for spider > bites, when after reading the archives, it seems that its not. > I put DMSO on my husband's spider bite hoping to help it, but what > was once red and painful is now swollen and hot. > Any suggestions on how to counter this? > Any helpful suggestions would be great. > Thank you, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Morning Garnet, At 08:09 AM 6/7/04, you wrote: There you are Wayne, I was just referring this woman to your posts! Thanks! I don't claim to be an expert. One more bite and I would be on my way to more first hand knowledge. I have told some friends, If I could find a brown recluse, I would say, " bite me right there " . This would be on the left calf to match the spot on the right calf. The outside of the calf muscle is the very best place for a spider bite. Many factors effect how effective any treatment will be, ...... Age, overall physical condition, immune system function, and which drugs have been taken within the last few months. We tend to overlook the digestion system and how it serves us daily, and how it enters in when a crisis event occurs. Certainly this would be a good time to add digestive enzymes and probiotics, which I did. Actually I was taking these before the spider bite. During these weeks I had be more religious in taking my supplements. At times, I do relax the supplements a bit. To solve this problem, since I work every day, I keep a few bottles of key nutrients in my truck, especially time release C, a super multiple, and a bottle filled with the ing Protocol for heart disease prevention. ( C, Lysine, and Folic Acid ) To insure adequate energy from carbs, I was eating 5 to 6 kinds of fruit daily, plus raisins and prunes. Hopefully I was getting enough of the essential sugars to enhance cellular communications. Last night I made a phone call to gain information about a recent death due to spider bite. The person I called started off by saying, " An old person " , I asked how old. He replied 65. I said .... this is not old, that is my age. I did not learn very much except that the bite was on his chest and the infection got inside the chest cavity. The victim was reported to be overweight and in poor physical condition. The party I was talking with saw the death certificate relative to insurance claims. Most Americans are not prepared for the chrisis. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 From: Wayne Fugitt Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:13 AM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: spider bites Morning Garnet, At 08:09 AM 6/7/04, you wrote: There you are Wayne, I was just referring this woman to your posts! Thanks! I don't claim to be an expert. One more bite and I would be on my way to more first hand knowledge. I have told some friends, If I could find a brown recluse, I would say, " bite me right there " . This would be on the left calf to match the spot on the right calf. The outside of the calf muscle is the very best place for a spider bite. Wayne I’d be glad to send you some. I find them in the house all the time. I also have a bunch of black widows outside if you’d like some of them as well ;-o nancy.estes@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Morning , I’d be glad to send you some. I find them in the house all the time. I also have a bunch of black widows outside if you’d like some of them as well ;-o I think you are kidding, but I am not. I will pay shipping plus $ 5.00 per each. ( species are guaranteed of course ) I wonder what the post office will say when you tell them what is in the package? Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Hi --I just went through a spider bite ordeal a few weeks ago, including putting DMSO/CS on it first thing. After realizing that might not have been wise, I applied a fresh onion poultice (just mashed it up and taped it over the bite) for 8-9 hours--as long as I could tolerate smelling like a relish tray. The following day I used a cosmetic clay and taped that on the entire day, changing it once. By day 6 or so I stopped treatments and the bite began to fade gradually. Several people on the silver list recommend using electroshock (applied via a stun gun or electro-stimulation devices like chiropractors use) to destroy the venom in the tissue--if your husband needs to think about going this route, I can help you dig up the information. Good luck, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 How would one package spiders? I got a box of 13 chameleons many years ago and they came in a box with air holes. I picked up a snake for some people once – came by air when they moved. It was in a Tupperware container with air holes and the snake was in a cloth bag inside that. Brown Recluses are actually quite fragile. Black Widows are sturdier. I have a bunch of them, including egg cases outside in old, unused dog houses. Saw an adult just the other day. nancy.estes@... From: Wayne Fugitt Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:47 AM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: RE: spider bites Morning , Id be glad to send you some. I find them in the house all the time. I also have a bunch of black widows outside if youd like some of them as well ;-o I think you are kidding, but I am not. I will pay shipping plus $ 5.00 per each. ( species are guaranteed of course ) I wonder what the post office will say when you tell them what is in the package? Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 What I really like about Wayne's idea, now that I understand he isn't talking about using himslef in a single-subject research design <g>, is that finding a group of volunteers to test spider bite treatments sets an example for getting away from the tiresome cruel use of animals. This is one criticism of the book or rather the science on which it is based--its filled with the usual accounts (and some gruesome pictures) of animals subjected to unconscionable (imo) procedures. I'm not an extremist but I can just barely tolerate this stuff anymore. People willing to participate in such research are real heros in my book. Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I would think that spiders should be packaged individually. I think they are cannibals. Jeannie RE: spider bites How would one package spiders? I got a box of 13 chameleons many years ago and they came in a box with air holes. I picked up a snake for some people once – came by air when they moved. It was in a Tupperware container with air holes and the snake was in a cloth bag inside that. Brown Recluses are actually quite fragile. Black Widows are sturdier. I have a bunch of them, including egg cases outside in old, unused dog houses. Saw an adult just the other day. nancy.estes@... From: Wayne Fugitt Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:47 AMTo: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: RE: spider bites Morning , Id be glad to send you some. I find them in the house all the time. I also have a bunch of black widows outside if youd like some of them as well ;-o I think you are kidding, but I am not. I will pay shipping plus $ 5.00 per each. ( species are guaranteed of course ) I wonder what the post office will say when you tell them what is in the package? Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I treated a brown recluse bite with a charcoal poultice, which is great to draw out poison. I still have a small scar, but it wasn't nearly as bad as they usually are. Jeannie Re: spider bites > Hi --I just went through a spider bite ordeal a few weeks ago, > including putting DMSO/CS on it first thing. After realizing that might > not have been wise, I applied a fresh onion poultice (just mashed it up > and taped it over the bite) for 8-9 hours--as long as I could tolerate > smelling like a relish tray. The following day I used a cosmetic clay > and taped that on the entire day, changing it once. By day 6 or so I > stopped treatments and the bite began to fade gradually. > > Several people on the silver list recommend using electroshock (applied > via a stun gun or electro-stimulation devices like chiropractors use) to > destroy the venom in the tissue--if your husband needs to think about > going this route, I can help you dig up the information. > > Good luck, > Deborah > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Well darn, I shouldn’t have as many as I do then. They’d better get with it and reduce the population around here, LOL! Actually, I’d bet if they were confined to a small space they would eat one another. Speaking of which, I’ve seen two different Praying Mantises in my bathroom lately. nancy.estes@... From: Jeannie Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:16 PM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: spider bites I would think that spiders should be packaged individually. I think they are cannibals. Jeannie RE: spider bites How would one package spiders? I got a box of 13 chameleons many years ago and they came in a box with air holes. I picked up a snake for some people once – came by air when they moved. It was in a Tupperware container with air holes and the snake was in a cloth bag inside that. Brown Recluses are actually quite fragile. Black Widows are sturdier. I have a bunch of them, including egg cases outside in old, unused dog houses. Saw an adult just the other day. nancy.estes@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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