Re: Culturing CWD using equipment (was CWD)

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Tony

I like to know how to get my hands dirty soo to speak.

I used to (before illness got to bad) to work with system design and

verification

doing problem solving.

I'm not sure that only abx will help. A readjustion(rebalance) of our controll

system migth be needed.

The case migth be that the balance has shifted and in that way allowing the

bacteria to be successful.

The first point is to starting get rid of the bacteria.

This means I like to be able to se results from doing treatments, to verify what

things actually does

what it's suposed to.

I'm trusting your teori that by watching the bacterias reaction to abx it's

possible to get better.

I still want the 1-2-5-10-20 years following up. Yes at least 5 year in

'remission' 1 year is not enough, but a good

start.

Lets get practical. Help us out what exactly we need and please by specific and

this would be useful for us

to learn how to aply the accelertor(the treatment) and watch a

speedometer(verify how the treatment is working).

Sue has given a clue, but more is needed.

Sue

I gues this is the link to the microscope you have.

http://www.brunelmicroscopes.co.uk/blood-cell.html

/Per

Tensevern wrote:

> Tony

>

> The microscope is a Brunel Haemoscope with a camera to feed images into

> the PC. Magnification is about 3000 on a full screen image (RBC diameter

> is ~2.2cm) tho' some of this is empty magnification.

>

> From your other message, incubator, agar & stain gives me some place to

> start & I'll google for Oxoid. Building a temp-controlled enclosure

> isn't a problem, I think the sticking point for us will be investing the

> time & effort - it'll be mainly my husband's effort too. We'll have to

> see how easy it is to get hold of the stuff for private use.

>

> We take blood smears once or twice a week at the moment & Mike counts

> the number of spirochetes in a given number of frames. Over the past 6

> months the number has decreased slightly and the scatter in the data has

> reduced. Also the filament form has changed - 12-18 months ago they were

> mainly long - 20+ microns, frequently much longer. More recently

> they've become shorter, mainly less than 10 microns. This does in

> general does seem to go with better health, but there's no other

> correlations between symptoms & blood appearance, sadly.

>

> Sue

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Per Sjöholm

Stockholm, Sweden

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Per

You must do everything and more to get back on track. This infection

likes certain foods, I try not to eat inflammation causing foods

(candida style is close enough). Environmentally these bacteria need

a small amount of CO2 so you must try and push the co2 out and pump

in oxygen. This cycle also helps your body heal much better than the

slow healing time all normally experience with any injuries,

something that would have helped barb get over her strange

rash..Then you must know your antibiotics I feel the best drug for

autoimmune is cephalothin, cefazolin.But these drugs singly are not

necessarily strong enough so may need support from vancomycin untiol

a week after when it builds resistance.Then you need to add

tobramycin or gentamicin even streptomycin, the duration is an

individual thing how rotten are you is what matters.I think

ceftriaxone is useless never seen any good come from it a lady thru

a clot while on it. Just be carefull. Doxy and mino can be

succesfull if you have got beautifull veins and nice blood you can

go along way with these but they don't cure many people IMO.

> > Tony

> >

> > The microscope is a Brunel Haemoscope with a camera to feed

images into

> > the PC. Magnification is about 3000 on a full screen image (RBC

diameter

> > is ~2.2cm) tho' some of this is empty magnification.

> >

> > From your other message, incubator, agar & stain gives me some

place to

> > start & I'll google for Oxoid. Building a temp-controlled

enclosure

> > isn't a problem, I think the sticking point for us will be

investing the

> > time & effort - it'll be mainly my husband's effort too. We'll

have to

> > see how easy it is to get hold of the stuff for private use.

> >

> > We take blood smears once or twice a week at the moment & Mike

counts

> > the number of spirochetes in a given number of frames. Over the

past 6

> > months the number has decreased slightly and the scatter in the

data has

> > reduced. Also the filament form has changed - 12-18 months ago

they were

> > mainly long - 20+ microns, frequently much longer. More recently

> > they've become shorter, mainly less than 10 microns. This does

in

> > general does seem to go with better health, but there's no other

> > correlations between symptoms & blood appearance, sadly.

> >

> > Sue

>

>

> --

> Per Sjöholm

> Stockholm, Sweden

[Guest guest]

> Sue

> I gues this is the link to the microscope you have.

> http://www.brunelmicroscopes.co.uk/blood-cell.html

Yes, but ours is an ex-demo model with a different camera. It's

overspec'd for the job - nice but not necessary if you want to see Bb

filaments.

I put some pictures of my blood on EuroLyme a while back (different

colour backgrounds are colour shifts from different cameras, nothing

significant):

http://snipurl.com/cf8m

Although we have dark field capability we don't use it often - too much

trouble to set up. We don't use the x100 objective because it needs oil

to get a good image & that messes the slide. We don't use an eyepiece

either, just the camera & a feed to the PC.

As you see, we're not microscopists or biologists, we're just looking to

get results (begins to sound a bit like Tony, doesn't it? <g>)

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi Lene

These photos were taken about 12 hours after the slide was prepared.

This time gives the filaments time to appear. Immediately after the

slide is prepared, when the blood is fresh, the red blood cells do not

have those projections on them. My thoughts are that the cells are in a

restricted oxygen & nutrient environment and are slowly degrading.

Sue

Inger Mose wrote:

>

> Does anyone know what it indicates that my red blood cells, when you

> look at them in the microscope, are round, like balls or appels, with

> small princkles on them??--- like the red blood cells on Sue`s blood

> pictures ( filament and cluster )

>

> About 90% of my red blood cells are like this.

>

> Hope to hear you opinion.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Lene