Re: Shocking Terrorist Attacks on the US

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mngechu@... wrote:

> dan watkins,

>

> your country has always thrived

> on the policy of brawn not brains.

>

If so, we have done so with some degree of success - which would in turn

suggest that having some brawn is not brainless after all. And we will come

out of this all right as well, make no mistake. Our president stated in no

uncertain terms tonight that in this matter nations that harbor terrorists

will treated as terrorists themselves. Enough said.

The case of Tibet indicates to me that more than Enlightenment is required

for the rough-and-tumble of actual political life. Jung understood this, but

it seems to me that sometimes Jungians do not.

Best regards,

Dan Watkins

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> >

> > > God, you guys are unconscious!

>

> Yes, your right. Consciousness of what provoked the problem in the

> first place would spoil the game. One would normally assume that a

> Jung forum would be about conscious awarness, though.

>

> Malcolm

Malcolm,

In your three posts of this infamous day, you have thrice accused your

countrymen and the others on this list of the " sin " of unconsciousness. Yet

you have neglected to enlighten us on just what you are conscious of that

the rest of us are not. Perhaps you would care to go a little deeper than

simple accusations and insults (which are neither welcome nor justified

IMHO). I have found the people on this list to be among the most honest,

searching, and, yes, conscious people I have encountered. Many of us are

actually very good friends, from various countries, religions and

traditions. We are all stressed out about these horrific events but you make

it even worse!

It seems to me that the attacks today were as much for SYMBOLIC reasons as

for infliction of death, although death was certainly delivered in dreadful

measure. But can anyone imagine the effects to our financial system and to

our government's ability to function if any of those jet airliners had

contained even a small amount of biological or chemical (not to mention

nuclear) weapons onboard. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE!!!

And I somehow suspect that we will see these extremes in the not too distant

future, now that " war " has been engaged. We now live in an incredibly

dangerous world, where even a farmboy from Iowa can make a bomb out of

ammonia and wipe out hundreds of lives in Ok City. The shadow within the

split psyches of these people is going to inflict enormous death and

destruction on innocents, as it has done for many years now. And

unfortunately, I think this nation is headed down the road of shoot now and

ask questions later. I pray I'm not right about this, but the next few days

and weeks will tell. But I also think that the cure to this madness is not

possible on a mass scale, nor in retaliatory strikes - but one person at a

time, becoming more conscious, as Malcomb is suggesting.

Perhaps, like someone has suggested here already, we need to try to

understand at least what would propel these fanatics to such horrid acts.

That is not the same as saying we should agree with them. But when the

cowards don't even show their faces or try to justify such barberous acts,

perhaps they don't deserve to be paid attention to. If they don't speak up,

one is forced to conclude that they are merely fanatical psychotics, bent on

killing innocent people in the name of something that is either undefinable

or unworthy of definition.

Peace and love to you all on this otherwise-devastating day,

Greg

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> > J: Timbers, please stop this. It doesn't help

> [some cut]

> > fa

>

> Yes, your right. Consciousness of what provoked the problem in the

> first place would spoil the game. One would normally assume that a

> Jung forum would be about conscious awarness, though.

Malcolm

I wrote to you ex foro when your first letter came up, pointing out that as far

as I could make no American was any more or less conscious than either

you or I and this was possibly *not* the moment to start putting the boot in..

So far I've not had the courtesy of a reply.

So I will now say this: Standing there, pointing fingers and blaming others is

not what awkening consciousness is about. Any enemy of conscious

awareness is generally to be found behind one's *own* nose and I would like

you to take that thought with you as you leave this list. It may help you as

you grow up.

You have been asked nicely to stop being a clever dick; now you are being

told to take your superior awareness (somewhat lacking in the compassion

that is the actual hallmark of wisdom and intelligence, if I may make so bold

as to point out) elsewhere.

Thank you.

m

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> The worse of the two is he

> who, when abused, retaliates.

> One who does not retaliate

> wins a battle hard to win.

*I would agree, but to act like this is extremely difficult. Just not panicking

for

the moment will already be an act of great heroism. We start where we can.

Lots of love,

m

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Dear Greg, you wrote:

>

> It seems to me that the attacks today were as much for SYMBOLIC reasons as

> for infliction of death, although death was certainly delivered in

dreadful

> measure. But can anyone imagine the effects to our financial system and to

> our government's ability to function if any of those jet airliners had

> contained even a small amount of biological or chemical (not to mention

> nuclear) weapons onboard. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE!!!

>

Greg, as usual you have hit the nail right on the head. Would that I could

achieve even one half of your consciousness in my lifetime!

Right from the beginning, the UK news reporters were talking about the

symbolism of these attacks. Even amongst the shock, I was struck by how much

Jungian language was being used in the analysis of the situation.

My husband (a research scientist) has long been predicting that biological

warfare will be the future. I shudder to think of it. These terrorists

managed mass scale destruction just with pen-knives!

Thank you once again for a thoughtful post.

love, fa

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>My husband (a research scientist) has long been predicting that biological

>warfare will be the future. I shudder to think of it. These terrorists

>managed mass scale destruction just with pen-knives!

It is rumored amongst Indian Intelligence Circles that the plague epidemic

in Surat, Gujarat, India some years back was a genetically engineered

outbreak – an example of biological warfare experiments conducted on an

ill-equipped unsuspecting third world country.

Does your husband know anything about that?

Regards

Rajiv

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In a message dated 9/12/2001 10:13:42 AM Central Daylight Time,

toni@... writes:

> Callousness in the

> face of the suffering of others, judgementalism instead of concern and the

> need to find that guilt belongs to one side only ,are the mark of an

> immature being and add nothing to this discussion.

This sounds like a good definition of the beginning of a terrorist, if not of

someone who is already one.

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Minds are like parachutes; they function best when open.

A closed mind is a good thing to lose.

" Minds are like parachutes; most people use them only as a last resort. "

~Ben Ostrowsky

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Please note mistake. I meant " no one on this list would deny that the USA is

NOT always right.

Sorry, Toni

Toni wrote:

> Mngechu:

>

> I will answer you briefly. No country is without sins. No person has totally

> clean hands in this world. No one on this list of mature individuals would

> deny that the USA is always right, moral or loving. Neither is any other

> country or peoples in this unfortunate world.

> Words of anger, myopic views of violence and total lack of understanding

> about human beings and their political ,economic or religious ideas, always

> seems to end in anger, fear brutality and death. Or is it pure envy?

>

> A key trait of " consciousness' is an attempt to see what passes for reality

> amongst us. Your totally onesided views do not appear very helpful in this

> list , it seems to me. No one is discussing guilt or innocence. We are

> appalled at the suffering of others, and the mindless cruelty alive in human

> beings. We are all in shock by horror. But we will recover.

> If you have an ax to grind wait for another day. Be assured I will uphold

> your right to your biased opinions. on the world's stage. I do not, and need

> not agree with them. This is a place of discussion, introspection,

> open-mindedness and psychological insights. You are on the wrong stage.There

> is no room here for violence.

>

> Toni

>

> mngechu@... wrote:

>

> >

> > > There is enough violence going on. I am trying to stay calm as I

> > write this

> > > only because I am not sure of your meaning.

> > > It seems to me we should be careful as well before we point

> > fingers. I will

> > > wait to hear exactly what you meant. I saw no westerners or

> > Americans

> > > provoking anything that would need this kind of retaliations. What

> > are you

> > > referring to?

> > >

> > > Toni

> > >

> > < toni, i have long be-come unperturbed by the myopic view that

> > majority of amerikans see the world. perhaps the outcry and utter

> > disgust by the decision of amerikan delegate to walk out of the

> > unhcr's conference on racisim should have been indication enough that

> > many countries view the usa as bullies. bullies who need to get their

> > ears pinched and hands slapped.toni,people, countries are tired. your

> > own american citizens, the 'white trash', the latinos and blk

> > americans in jail who constitute 1.6 million of the population in

> > jail. the resignation that many of yr people feel.. now imagine, if

> > you can.what the other nations beyond ur jurisdiction feel and

> > encounter every single day.... can u do that? >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Please note mistake. I meant " no one on this list would deny that

the USA is

> NOT always right.

> Sorry, Toni

Well, I read it initially as corrected. Funny how this business of

" reading into " operates. Works for us sometimes, works against us

sometimes {;^)

APMW

[Guest guest]

>

> http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/archives/s116017.htm

>

>

Correction: the above should be:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/archives/s116037.htm

Sorry,

Greg

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