, Barb, Penny...: Candida, antioxidants...

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your replies. I'll try to get my new doctor to

prescribe antifungals, but the last M.D. I had (for seven years)

would not take candida seriously, so would not prescribe

anything.

Stool tests turned up negative, then I tried to get swabs from my

mouth -- which turned up " normal " amounts of flora. So I was

" forced " to try the other products, and they did SEEM to work, but

I'm sure they're nowhere near as effective as standard

antifungals.

If I can convince her to prescribe something, is there anything I

should be concerned about re Diflucan -- or are there newer

drugs that might be better?

d.

p.s. And thanks for confirming my layman's dianosis

regarding the dandruff / yeast connection. I feel smarter -- at

least for tonight!

> > > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the

> > environmental

> > > > factor in

> > > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due

to

> > over

> > > > use of

> > > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida

> > overgrowth

> > > is

> > > > the key

> > > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the

> cascade

> > of

> > > > events, the

> > > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so

> when

> > you

> > > > contract

> > > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience

appalling

> > > symptoms

> > > > that

> > > > > collectively could be described as reducing your

> existence

> > to

> > > that

> > > > of a

> > > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast

overgrowth

> as

> > a

> > > > defined illness

> > > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now

> > > > cured]...The point

> > > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the

problem

> ,

> > so a

> > > > vitally

> > > > > important factor in the health of millions is being

> > > > ignored ...You either

> > > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment

that

> the

> > > > facts are

> > > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining

> > health

> > > of

> > > > millions ,

> > > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,

> > > > including the very

> > > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see

> yeast

> > > as

> > > > per dr's

> > > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like

> me

> > ...or do

> > > > you think

> > > > > they/we are mistaken ...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----

> > --

> >

[Guest guest]

Dan , Standard tests for yeast are notoriously unreliable especially the stool test....You may consider looking for the toxins known to derive from fungi Great plains have a range of such tests ..... one taxin is called Gliotoxin,i don't think GP offer the test ... how much of that is in circulation is an indicator of fungal infection [or not] maybe worth a ring round local labs ,see if they offer or could carry out the test ...

There are a new generation of drugs but they are not dramatically better ,they are much more expensive ....Much more important is the dose of the A/F you are prescribed with , the data concerning this is mainly confined to Fluconazole ....optimum dose for treating an entrenched F/infection is considered somewhere between 400 & 800 mg perday ... That's the figure to work on ...obviously your dov will not prescribe this amount unless proof of infection can be obtained so the tests are vitally important ...

Here's some info on a test for Gliotoxin ...

Mycopathologia. 2004 Jul;158(1):73-9.

Related Articles,

Links

Correlation between gliotoxin production and virulence of Aspergillus fumigatus in Galleria mellonella.Reeves EP, Messina CG, Doyle S, Kavanagh K.Department of Biology, National Institute for Cellular Biotechnology, National University of Ireland Maynooth, County Kildare, Ireland. emer.reeves@...Aspergillus fumigatus is a pathogenic fungus capable of causing both allergic lung disease and invasive aspergillosis, a serious, life-threatening condition in neutropenic patients. Aspergilli express an array of mycotoxins and enzymes which may facilitate fungal colonisation of host tissue. In this study we investigated the possibility of using the insect, Galleria mellonella, for in vivo pathogenicity testing of Aspergillus species. Four clinical isolates of Aspergillus fumigatus and a single strain of Aspergillus niger were characterised for catalase and elastase activity and for the production of gliotoxin. Gliotoxin is an immunosuppressive agent previously implicated in assisting tissue penetration. Results illustrated a strain dependent difference in elastase activity but no significant difference in catalase activity. """"Gliotoxin production was detected in vitro and in vivo by Reversed Phase-High Performance Liquid Chromatography""""", with highest amounts being produced by A. fumigatus ATCC 26933 (350 ng/mg hyphae). Survival probability plots (Kaplan-Meier) of experimental groups infected with Aspergillus conidia indicate that G. mellonella is more susceptible to fungal infection by A. fumigatus ATCC 26933, implicating a critical role for gliotoxin production rather than growth rate or enzymatic activity in the virulence of A. fumigatus in this model.PMID: 15487324 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Thanks everyone for your replies. I'll try to get my new doctor to prescribe antifungals, but the last M.D. I had (for seven years) would not take candida seriously, so would not prescribe anything. Stool tests turned up negative, then I tried to get swabs from my mouth -- which turned up "normal" amounts of flora. So I was "forced" to try the other products, and they did SEEM to work, but I'm sure they're nowhere near as effective as standard antifungals. If I can convince her to prescribe something, is there anything I should be concerned about re Diflucan -- or are there newer drugs that might be better?d.p.s. And thanks for confirming my layman's dianosis regarding the dandruff / yeast connection. I feel smarter -- at least for tonight!> > > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the> > environmental> > > > factor in> > > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to> > over> > > > use of> > > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida> > overgrowth> > > is> > > > the key> > > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the> cascade> > of> > > > events, the> > > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so> when> > you> > > > contract> > > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling> > > symptoms> > > > that> > > > > collectively could be described as reducing your> existence> > to> > > that> > > > of a> > > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth> as> > a> > > > defined illness> > > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now> > > > cured]...The point> > > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem> ,> > so a> > > > vitally> > > > > important factor in the health of millions is being> > > > ignored ...You either> > > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that> the> > > > facts are> > > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining> > health> > > of> > > > millions ,> > > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,> > > > including the very> > > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see> yeast> > > as> > > > per dr's> > > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like> me> > ...or do> > > > you think> > > > > they/we are mistaken ...> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > --> >