Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 What do you mean when you say 'ileus' DO you mean bowel paralysis when you use the term ileus?- Or Did you ever have sever IBS or crohns? I've heard that if the intestines heal too fast, they can form strictures- which is a cobwebbing of scarr tissue which blocks the intestine... Which do you think this is what it was? What was the explanation the MP.com gave for the possibility that it could be the Benicar. Barb -- In infections , <DebOB@p...> wrote: > hi barb - to me benicar is associated with ileus'.....after a month or so on benicar i got an ileus, as soon as i stopped it it went away. > > after 7 months on benicar, mino and small dosea of zith my doc considered me a non-responder and had me dc mino and zith , keep on the benicar and add mepron and ketek (ketek instead of zith as it's half life is short and i could tolerate larger doses - in retrospect it might have worked if i'd stayed with tiny zith doses) > > 3 months later when i experienced a big fever and chills - i stopped the benicar and increased the ketek to full strenth - 3 days later the first really bad ileus, another one a month later which eventually cleared with flagyl ( re sam donta + gut problems + flagyl).... > > it was only a month or so ago - 2-3 months post benicar that i suddenly realized my tv and computer monitor were really dark and set them back to normal - so there is probably a long term effect on d metabolism (after stopping benicar i restarted vits with d) - have orders to redo the d tests - just haven't gotten to it.....interesting enough, ever since i went on benicar over a year ago and 4 months off of it i've been able to sleep thoughtthe night without having to get up to pee - a rather nice lasting benefit!! > > > i have always thought that everyone really focuses on the anti- inflammatory aspect of benicar but i think the increased perfusion is just as important..... bugs getting more dispersed??? or maybe higher immune suppression?? somehow my ileus' were connected to benicar and tm even admitted such in one of his posts..... > > if i ever get to a point where i'm pretty active (now, mostly homebound with a foggy brain) and i feel my pathogen load is much decreased i really wouldn't be adverse to trying the mp again....i think those who respond well to the mp are often half way to health to start... > > deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 hi barb - [infections] Re: barb/benicar What do you mean when you say 'ileus'DO you mean bowel paralysis when you use the term ileus?- definitely paralysis - like labor pains but no pauses! had a cup of tea once and several hours lated vomited it up!! - no movement at either end!! OrDid you ever have sever IBS or crohns? I've heard that if theintestines heal too fast, they can form strictures- which is a cobwebbing of scar tissue which blocks the intestine... Which do you think this is what it was? have never had crohns or ibs - some gut problems with erythromycin and now with plaquenil (just started it and when i halved the dose no problems - will work up to full dose)-- stool tests from great smokies always showed a very dysbiotic gut but i figure i was very lucky not to have many symptoms - i had lots of stool tests before i was dx with babs/ lyme as i could always get an antbx order - always have done better on antbx. my dad had adhesions, the residual from a bust appendix in the 30's - he always had to have surgery to fix it.....i think this is what you're referring to with scar tissue, etc....also, very painful.....have alsonever had problems with candida (per stool tests - lucky, eh?) What was the explanation the MP.com gave for the possibilitythat it could be the Benicar. at first, everyone said i was just severely constipated - i responded that i'd been a visiting nurse for eons and knew a lot about constipation and this wasn't it!! it was a few days later that he noted benicar could cause this...no explanation at all...i never read all the papers that thouroghly - perhaps, it was mentionned...don't know if any others on the mp list had this problem with benicar.. deb.Barb-- In infections , <DebOB@p...> wrote:> hi barb - to me benicar is associated with ileus'.....after a month or so on benicar i got an ileus, as soon as i stopped it it went away.> > after 7 months on benicar, mino and small dosea of zith my doc considered me a non-responder and had me dc mino and zith , keep on the benicar and add mepron and ketek (ketek instead of zith as it's half life is short and i could tolerate larger doses - in retrospect it might have worked if i'd stayed with tiny zith doses)> > 3 months later when i experienced a big fever and chills - i stopped the benicar and increased the ketek to full strenth - 3 days later the first really bad ileus, another one a month later which eventually cleared with flagyl ( re sam donta + gut problems + flagyl)....> > it was only a month or so ago - 2-3 months post benicar that i suddenly realized my tv and computer monitor were really dark and set them back to normal - so there is probably a long term effect on d metabolism (after stopping benicar i restarted vits with d) - have orders to redo the d tests - just haven't gotten to it.....interesting enough, ever since i went on benicar over a year ago and 4 months off of it i've been able to sleep thoughtthe night without having to get up to pee - a rather nice lasting benefit!!> > > i have always thought that everyone really focuses on the anti-inflammatory aspect of benicar but i think the increased perfusion is just as important..... bugs getting more dispersed??? or maybe higher immune suppression?? somehow my ileus' were connected to benicar and tm even admitted such in one of his posts.....> > if i ever get to a point where i'm pretty active (now, mostly homebound with a foggy brain) and i feel my pathogen load is much decreased i really wouldn't be adverse to trying the mp again....i think those who respond well to the mp are often half way to health to start...> > deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Deb: I know Lyme can cause some paralysis of peristalsis, and can cause bloating and some pain, but you're description of continual pain and vomiting sounds like a stricture or blockage... (I know becuase I had ahdesions form an old operation loop a bowel, and shut it off and I almost died from it- mis dx'd as hysterical pregnancy no less - so I know the pain.) But I cannot underdtand how an ARB could cause this. Keep us posted if you get anymore info. Barb > hi barb - > [infections] Re: barb/benicar > > > What do you mean when you say 'ileus' > > DO you mean bowel paralysis when you use the term ileus?- > definitely paralysis - like labor pains but no pauses! had a cup of tea once and several hours lated vomited it up!! - no movement at either end!! > > Or > > Did you ever have sever IBS or crohns? I've heard that if the > intestines heal too fast, they can form strictures- which is a > cobwebbing of scar tissue which blocks the intestine... > Which do you think this is what it was? > > have never had crohns or ibs - some gut problems with erythromycin and now with plaquenil (just started it and when i halved the dose no problems - will work up to full dose)-- stool tests from great smokies always showed a very dysbiotic gut but i figure i was very lucky not to have many symptoms - i had lots of stool tests before i was dx with babs/ lyme as i could always get an antbx order - always have done better on antbx. my dad had adhesions, the residual from a bust appendix in the 30's - he always had to have surgery to fix it.....i think this is what you're referring to with scar tissue, etc....also, very painful.....have alsonever had problems with candida (per stool tests - lucky, eh?) > > What was the explanation the MP.com gave for the possibility > that it could be the Benicar. > > at first, everyone said i was just severely constipated - i responded that i'd been a visiting nurse for eons and knew a lot about constipation and this wasn't it!! it was a few days later that he noted benicar could cause this...no explanation at all...i never read all the papers that thouroghly - perhaps, it was mentionned...don't know if any others on the mp list had this problem with benicar.. > deb. > > Barb > > > > > > -- In infections , <DebOB@p...> wrote: > > hi barb - to me benicar is associated with ileus'.....after a month > or so on benicar i got an ileus, as soon as i stopped it it went away. > > > > after 7 months on benicar, mino and small dosea of zith my doc > considered me a non-responder and had me dc mino and zith , keep on > the benicar and add mepron and ketek (ketek instead of zith as it's > half life is short and i could tolerate larger doses - in retrospect > it might have worked if i'd stayed with tiny zith doses) > > > > 3 months later when i experienced a big fever and chills - i > stopped the benicar and increased the ketek to full strenth - 3 days > later the first really bad ileus, another one a month later which > eventually cleared with flagyl ( re sam donta + gut problems + > flagyl).... > > > > it was only a month or so ago - 2-3 months post benicar that i > suddenly realized my tv and computer monitor were really dark and set > them back to normal - so there is probably a long term effect on d > metabolism (after stopping benicar i restarted vits with d) - have > orders to redo the d tests - just haven't gotten to > it.....interesting enough, ever since i went on benicar over a year > ago and 4 months off of it i've been able to sleep thoughtthe night > without having to get up to pee - a rather nice lasting benefit!! > > > > > > i have always thought that everyone really focuses on the anti- > inflammatory aspect of benicar but i think the increased perfusion is > just as important..... bugs getting more dispersed??? or maybe > higher immune suppression?? somehow my ileus' were connected to > benicar and tm even admitted such in one of his posts..... > > > > if i ever get to a point where i'm pretty active (now, mostly > homebound with a foggy brain) and i feel my pathogen load is much > decreased i really wouldn't be adverse to trying the mp again....i > think those who respond well to the mp are often half way to health > to start... > > > > deb > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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