Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.

[Guest guest]

I agree.

After Lyme therapy, it took me 8 months to get rid of Candida in my

intestinal tract, and based on my Candida panel (IgG, IgM, IgA) it

was pretty close to going systemic.

Maybe it took so long, becuase I was not withholding my antioxidants

and suplements.

Barb

> > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the

> environmental

> > > factor in

> > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to

> over

> > > use of

> > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida

> overgrowth

> > is

> > > the key

> > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade

> of

> > > events, the

> > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when

> you

> > > contract

> > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling

> > symptoms

> > > that

> > > > collectively could be described as reducing your existence

> to

> > that

> > > of a

> > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as

> a

> > > defined illness

> > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now

> > > cured]...The point

> > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem ,

> so a

> > > vitally

> > > > important factor in the health of millions is being

> > > ignored ...You either

> > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that

the

> > > facts are

> > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining

> health

> > of

> > > millions ,

> > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,

> > > including the very

> > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see

yeast

> > as

> > > per dr's

> > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me

> ...or do

> > > you think

> > > > they/we are mistaken ...

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan sorry for the late reply , it's a new one on me ...antioxidants interfering with apoptosis ..no never heard of that one....I would ague that Candida is deadly as a gut infection , over 75 toxins have been identified with a Candida overgrowth ....there is an augment too over the definition of systemic....most think of a blood infection when the subject is raised , but Candida infects via the lymphatic system ...eat a curry for your evening meal ..sniff your armpit in the morning ..Curry.. it comes via sweat ...there are no filters you will be transporting yeast & toxins too ...some report actual white stuff oozing from their pores...makes you think ..makes you think too about the scourge of breast cancer ..that starts in lymphatic tissue...

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of kdrbrillSent: 26 May 2005 18:38infections Subject: [infections] Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.

Thanks Rich and -- very interesting. In my not to humble opinion, I believe candida or other fungal infections could be a huge part of a lot of our problems, esp if one is on long term abx's. Personally, I just cannot fathom taking 8-10 different antibiotics for years -- I think that just guarantees fungal/candida issues, which if they go systemic, can be deadly if one's immune system is compromised.My question is this: Do you think one should avoid whey or NAC, etc., until candida issues are under control? I can't think of the doctor's name right now, but there's a N.D. who says that even antioxidants should be avoided while undergoing treatment for systemic candida, as it interferes with apoptosis.Dan> > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the environmental > > factor in> > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to over > > use of> > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida overgrowth > is > > the key> > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade of > > events, the> > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when you > > contract> > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling > symptoms > > that> > > collectively could be described as reducing your existence to > that > > of a> > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as a > > defined illness> > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now > > cured]...The point> > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem , so a > > vitally> > > important factor in the health of millions is being > > ignored ...You either> > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that the > > facts are> > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining health > of > > millions ,> > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest, > > including the very> > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see yeast > as > > per dr's> > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me ...or do > > you think> > > they/we are mistaken ...

[Guest guest]

Well then- maybe my antioxidants helped clear the Candida..

Maybe without them it would have taken a year to get rid of it.

All I know is that I took them with the Candida therapy and it took 8

months to have my titers drop in the normal range.

Barb

> > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the

> environmental

> > > factor in

> > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to

> over

> > > use of

> > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida

> overgrowth

> > is

> > > the key

> > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade

> of

> > > events, the

> > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when

> you

> > > contract

> > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling

> > symptoms

> > > that

> > > > collectively could be described as reducing your existence

> to

> > that

> > > of a

> > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as

> a

> > > defined illness

> > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now

> > > cured]...The point

> > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem ,

> so a

> > > vitally

> > > > important factor in the health of millions is being

> > > ignored ...You either

> > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that

the

> > > facts are

> > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining

> health

> > of

> > > millions ,

> > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,

> > > including the very

> > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see

yeast

> > as

> > > per dr's

> > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me

> ...or do

> > > you think

> > > > they/we are mistaken ...

>

>

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--------

> --

>

[Guest guest]

Here's the link re: no antioxidants while treating candida. My

brain is working a little better today... .

http://www.health-truth.com/faqs.asp

I don't know if he's right or not, but he seems to have a lot of

experience...

d.

p.s. -- interesting you should mention " white stuff oozing

from their pores " . I've had dandruff for many years, but it's been

incredibly worse the last 2-3 or so -- very, very itchy, especially in

the morning, also itchy ears (and of course the coated tongue

which gets much worse if I eat too much sugar, which I barely do

any more...)

> > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the

> environmental

> > > factor in

> > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to

> over

> > > use of

> > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida

> overgrowth

> > is

> > > the key

> > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the

cascade

> of

> > > events, the

> > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so

when

> you

> > > contract

> > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling

> > symptoms

> > > that

> > > > collectively could be described as reducing your

existence

> to

> > that

> > > of a

> > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth

as

> a

> > > defined illness

> > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now

> > > cured]...The point

> > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem

,

> so a

> > > vitally

> > > > important factor in the health of millions is being

> > > ignored ...You either

> > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that

the

> > > facts are

> > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining

> health

> > of

> > > millions ,

> > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,

> > > including the very

> > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see

yeast

> > as

> > > per dr's

> > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like

me

> ...or do

> > > you think

> > > > they/we are mistaken ...

>

>

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> --

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, know him well This post sums him up

From: NickDate: 4/16/2003Time: 1:18:50 PMRemote Name: 66.74.176.15

Comments

Carla, Please don't be duped by marketing propaganda from snake oil salesman Biamonte. That web site has been around for years and I have yet to see one positive comment on this board from anyone who has tried his protocol - just wasted $$$. For example, the statement "All medical drugs are to toxic and too poisonous to stay on long enough to kill Candida" is just nonsense - the only drug that is likely to do you any serious harm is ampho-B and its various formulations - and if you don't treat an infection properly in the early stages this is what you might end up needing.

The symptoms you experience are classic yeast ...dandruff is a yeast.....The only way to go Dan is prescription A/F's as per dr Cranton ..take all the supplements and herbal remedies you like but my experience says main line drugs are the answer ....

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of kdrbrillSent: 27 May 2005 17:49infections Subject: [infections] Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.Here's the link re: no antioxidants while treating candida. My brain is working a little better today... . http://www.health-truth.com/faqs.aspI don't know if he's right or not, but he seems to have a lot of experience...d.p.s. -- interesting you should mention "white stuff oozing from their pores". I've had dandruff for many years, but it's been incredibly worse the last 2-3 or so -- very, very itchy, especially in the morning, also itchy ears (and of course the coated tongue which gets much worse if I eat too much sugar, which I barely do any more...)> > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the> environmental> > > factor in> > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to> over> > > use of> > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida> overgrowth> > is> > > the key> > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade> of> > > events, the> > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when> you> > > contract> > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling> > symptoms> > > that> > > > collectively could be described as reducing your existence> to> > that> > > of a> > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as> a> > > defined illness> > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now> > > cured]...The point> > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem ,> so a> > > vitally> > > > important factor in the health of millions is being> > > ignored ...You either> > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that the> > > facts are> > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining> health> > of> > > millions ,> > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,> > > including the very> > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see yeast> > as> > > per dr's> > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me> ...or do> > > you think> > > > they/we are mistaken ...> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> -->

[Guest guest]

,

Any reason to think ampho-B is worse than other anti-fungal meds?

The jury seems still out on ampho-B.

Looks like it depends on the actual form (liposomal vs conventional). And of course the studies here are talking IV admin. The oral form of ampho-B is not meant to go systemic, only for gut candidiasis or prevention thereof when on long term abx

Nelly

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15711785 & query_hl=7

1: Eur J Clin Microbiol Infect Dis. 2005 Feb;24(2):119-30.

Adverse effects of antifungal therapies in invasive fungal infections: review and meta-analysis.Girois SB, Chapuis F, Decullier E, Revol BG.Clinical Epidemiology Unit, Departement d'Information Medicale des Hospices Civils de Lyon, 162 Avenue Lacassagne, 69003 Lyon, France.Amphotericin B is the main therapeutic agent for the treatment of invasive fungal infections; however, it is associated with significant toxicities that limit its use. Other systemic antifungal agents have been developed to improve tolerability while maintaining the efficacy profile of conventional amphotericin B. Fifty-four studies involving 9,228 patients were assessed for the frequency of adverse effects of the main systemic antifungal agents. While the results suggest that liposomal amphotericin B (L-AmB) is the least nephrotoxic of the lipid formulations (14.6%), that conventional amphotericin B (AmB) is the most nephrotoxic (33.2%), and that itraconazole is the most hepatotoxic (31.5%), the lack of standard definitions of antifungal-related adverse effects limits the validity of these results. Furthermore, heterogeneous patient pools and differing protocols make it difficult to draw direct comparisons between studies. With the advent of newer classes of systemic antifungal agents, future trials should conform to definitions that are universally applicable and clinically relevant to allow for such comparisons and to enable evidence-based decision-making.Publication Types:

Meta-Analysis Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 15711785 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15702047 & query_hl=7

1: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2005 Feb;24(2):167-74.

Efficacy and safety of amphotericin B lipid complex in 548 children and adolescents with invasive fungal infections.Wiley JM, Seibel NL, Walsh TJ.Department of Pediatrics, Division of Hematology/Oncology, Sinai Hospital of Baltimore, Baltimore, MD 21215, USA. jwiley@...BACKGROUND: The safety and efficacy of amphotericin B lipid complex injection (ABELCET; Enzon Pharmaceuticals, Piscataway, NJ) was assessed in 548 children and adolescents 0-20 years of age who were enrolled in the Collaborative Exchange of Antifungal Research (CLEAR) registry. To our knowledge, this is the largest series of pediatric patients treated for invasive mycoses with a single agent. All patients had cancer or had received a bone marrow, cord blood or solid organ transplant and were treated with amphotericin B lipid complex for documented or suspected fungal infection. METHODS: The CLEAR database was queried for all patients 0-20 years of age from 1996 to 2000. Data gathered included demographic variables, underlying disease type, reasons for the use of amphotericin B lipid complex injection, dosing information, clinical response and renal effects. RESULTS: Most patients were either intolerant of or refractory to conventional antifungal therapy, and almost one-half were neutropenic at treatment onset. Of the 548 patients, 300 (54.7%) were transplant recipients and 393 (71.7%) had received one or more concomitant nephrotoxins. Candida and Aspergillus were the most commonly isolated species in patients with proven or probable infections. Response data were evaluable for 255 of the 285 patients with documented single or multiple pathogens. A complete (cured) or partial (improved) response was achieved in 54.9% of patients, with an additional 16.9% of patients having a stable outcome. Among patients with proven Aspergillus infection, the response rates (cured + improved) were 40.5 and 37.5% in transplant and nontransplant patients, respectively. When stable responses were added, the response rates were 48.6 and 71.9%, respectively. There were few clinically significant deleterious effects on renal function. There was no significant difference between the rates of new hemodialysis versus baseline hemodialysis. Elevations in serum creatinine of >1.5 x baseline and >2.5 x baseline values were seen in 24.8 and 8.8% of all patients, respectively. CONCLUSIONS: The safety and efficacy data from this large pediatric population support the use of amphotericin B lipid complex injection for treatment of invasive fungal infections in immunocompromised children and adolescents, including the high risk subgroup of transplant recipients. ****The overall response rate and safety profile in pediatric patients who were largely intolerant of or refractory to conventional antifungal therapy were consistent with earlier reported findings of smaller trials.PMID: 15702047 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

RE: [infections] Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.

Yeah, know him well This post sums him up

From: NickDate: 4/16/2003Time: 1:18:50 PMRemote Name: 66.74.176.15

Comments

Carla, Please don't be duped by marketing propaganda from snake oil salesman Biamonte. That web site has been around for years and I have yet to see one positive comment on this board from anyone who has tried his protocol - just wasted $$$. For example, the statement "All medical drugs are to toxic and too poisonous to stay on long enough to kill Candida" is just nonsense - the only drug that is likely to do you any serious harm is ampho-B and its various formulations - and if you don't treat an infection properly in the early stages this is what you might end up needing.

The symptoms you experience are classic yeast ...dandruff is a yeast.....The only way to go Dan is prescription A/F's as per dr Cranton ..take all the supplements and herbal remedies you like but my experience says main line drugs are the answer ....

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of kdrbrillSent: 27 May 2005 17:49infections Subject: [infections] Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.Here's the link re: no antioxidants while treating candida. My brain is working a little better today... . http://www.health-truth.com/faqs.aspI don't know if he's right or not, but he seems to have a lot of experience...d.p.s. -- interesting you should mention "white stuff oozing from their pores". I've had dandruff for many years, but it's been incredibly worse the last 2-3 or so -- very, very itchy, especially in the morning, also itchy ears (and of course the coated tongue which gets much worse if I eat too much sugar, which I barely do any more...)> > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the> environmental> > > factor in> > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to> over> > > use of> > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida> overgrowth> > is> > > the key> > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade> of> > > events, the> > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when> you> > > contract> > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling> > symptoms> > > that> > > > collectively could be described as reducing your existence> to> > that> > > of a> > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as> a> > > defined illness> > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now> > > cured]...The point> > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem ,> so a> > > vitally> > > > important factor in the health of millions is being> > > ignored ...You either> > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that the> > > facts are> > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining> health> > of> > > millions ,> > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,> > > including the very> > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see yeast> > as> > > per dr's> > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me> ...or do> > > you think> > > > they/we are mistaken ...> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> -->

[Guest guest]

Nelly , Nick was referring to IV Amph B, still quite toxic liposomal or conventional , many take funglin [sp] the oral version of the drug with no particular problems..The drug has been around since the 1950's & it's still considered the most effective AF ...Nicks was a fighter [i hope he still is ] it looks like he had a genetic defect with his IS though that's not for sure ,it could have been pathogen induced , he suddenly stopped posing... I hope he's well ...

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Nelly PointisSent: 27 May 2005 19:54infections Subject: Re: [infections] Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.

,

Any reason to think ampho-B is worse than other anti-fungal meds?

The jury seems still out on ampho-B.

Looks like it depends on the actual form (liposomal vs conventional). And of course the studies here are talking IV admin. The oral form of ampho-B is not meant to go systemic, only for gut candidiasis or prevention thereof when on long term abx

Nelly

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15711785 & query_hl=7

1: Eur J Clin Microbiol Infect Dis. 2005 Feb;24(2):119-30.

Adverse effects of antifungal therapies in invasive fungal infections: review and meta-analysis.Girois SB, Chapuis F, Decullier E, Revol BG.Clinical Epidemiology Unit, Departement d'Information Medicale des Hospices Civils de Lyon, 162 Avenue Lacassagne, 69003 Lyon, France.Amphotericin B is the main therapeutic agent for the treatment of invasive fungal infections; however, it is associated with significant toxicities that limit its use. Other systemic antifungal agents have been developed to improve tolerability while maintaining the efficacy profile of conventional amphotericin B. Fifty-four studies involving 9,228 patients were assessed for the frequency of adverse effects of the main systemic antifungal agents. While the results suggest that liposomal amphotericin B (L-AmB) is the least nephrotoxic of the lipid formulations (14.6%), that conventional amphotericin B (AmB) is the most nephrotoxic (33.2%), and that itraconazole is the most hepatotoxic (31.5%), the lack of standard definitions of antifungal-related adverse effects limits the validity of these results. Furthermore, heterogeneous patient pools and differing protocols make it difficult to draw direct comparisons between studies. With the advent of newer classes of systemic antifungal agents, future trials should conform to definitions that are universally applicable and clinically relevant to allow for such comparisons and to enable evidence-based decision-making.Publication Types:

Meta-Analysis Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 15711785 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15702047 & query_hl=7

1: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2005 Feb;24(2):167-74.

Efficacy and safety of amphotericin B lipid complex in 548 children and adolescents with invasive fungal infections.Wiley JM, Seibel NL, Walsh TJ.Department of Pediatrics, Division of Hematology/Oncology, Sinai Hospital of Baltimore, Baltimore, MD 21215, USA. jwiley@...BACKGROUND: The safety and efficacy of amphotericin B lipid complex injection (ABELCET; Enzon Pharmaceuticals, Piscataway, NJ) was assessed in 548 children and adolescents 0-20 years of age who were enrolled in the Collaborative Exchange of Antifungal Research (CLEAR) registry. To our knowledge, this is the largest series of pediatric patients treated for invasive mycoses with a single agent. All patients had cancer or had received a bone marrow, cord blood or solid organ transplant and were treated with amphotericin B lipid complex for documented or suspected fungal infection. METHODS: The CLEAR database was queried for all patients 0-20 years of age from 1996 to 2000. Data gathered included demographic variables, underlying disease type, reasons for the use of amphotericin B lipid complex injection, dosing information, clinical response and renal effects. RESULTS: Most patients were either intolerant of or refractory to conventional antifungal therapy, and almost one-half were neutropenic at treatment onset. Of the 548 patients, 300 (54.7%) were transplant recipients and 393 (71.7%) had received one or more concomitant nephrotoxins. Candida and Aspergillus were the most commonly isolated species in patients with proven or probable infections. Response data were evaluable for 255 of the 285 patients with documented single or multiple pathogens. A complete (cured) or partial (improved) response was achieved in 54.9% of patients, with an additional 16.9% of patients having a stable outcome. Among patients with proven Aspergillus infection, the response rates (cured + improved) were 40.5 and 37.5% in transplant and nontransplant patients, respectively. When stable responses were added, the response rates were 48.6 and 71.9%, respectively. There were few clinically significant deleterious effects on renal function. There was no significant difference between the rates of new hemodialysis versus baseline hemodialysis. Elevations in serum creatinine of >1.5 x baseline and >2.5 x baseline values were seen in 24.8 and 8.8% of all patients, respectively. CONCLUSIONS: The safety and efficacy data from this large pediatric population support the use of amphotericin B lipid complex injection for treatment of invasive fungal infections in immunocompromised children and adolescents, including the high risk subgroup of transplant recipients. ****The overall response rate and safety profile in pediatric patients who were largely intolerant of or refractory to conventional antifungal therapy were consistent with earlier reported findings of smaller trials.PMID: 15702047 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

RE: [infections] Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.

Yeah, know him well This post sums him up

From: NickDate: 4/16/2003Time: 1:18:50 PMRemote Name: 66.74.176.15

Comments

Carla, Please don't be duped by marketing propaganda from snake oil salesman Biamonte. That web site has been around for years and I have yet to see one positive comment on this board from anyone who has tried his protocol - just wasted $$$. For example, the statement "All medical drugs are to toxic and too poisonous to stay on long enough to kill Candida" is just nonsense - the only drug that is likely to do you any serious harm is ampho-B and its various formulations - and if you don't treat an infection properly in the early stages this is what you might end up needing.

The symptoms you experience are classic yeast ...dandruff is a yeast.....The only way to go Dan is prescription A/F's as per dr Cranton ..take all the supplements and herbal remedies you like but my experience says main line drugs are the answer ....

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of kdrbrillSent: 27 May 2005 17:49infections Subject: [infections] Re: Candida, glutathione depletion: Avoid whey, NAC?.Here's the link re: no antioxidants while treating candida. My brain is working a little better today... . http://www.health-truth.com/faqs.aspI don't know if he's right or not, but he seems to have a lot of experience...d.p.s. -- interesting you should mention "white stuff oozing from their pores". I've had dandruff for many years, but it's been incredibly worse the last 2-3 or so -- very, very itchy, especially in the morning, also itchy ears (and of course the coated tongue which gets much worse if I eat too much sugar, which I barely do any more...)> > > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the> environmental> > > factor in> > > > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to> over> > > use of> > > > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida> overgrowth> > is> > > the key> > > > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade> of> > > events, the> > > > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when> you> > > contract> > > > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling> > symptoms> > > that> > > > collectively could be described as reducing your existence> to> > that> > > of a> > > > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as> a> > > defined illness> > > > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now> > > cured]...The point> > > > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem ,> so a> > > vitally> > > > important factor in the health of millions is being> > > ignored ...You either> > > > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that the> > > facts are> > > > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining> health> > of> > > millions ,> > > > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest,> > > including the very> > > > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see yeast> > as> > > per dr's> > > > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me> ...or do> > > you think> > > > they/we are mistaken ...> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> -->

[Guest guest]

" Could be " , but make sure you don't start to assume it " must be " , because

that attitude has stopped a lot of people from getting antibiotics that

would help. I have been on doxycycline for many years and been tested 4

different ways because the doctor could not believe I wouldn't have candida.

But many people on doxy report that their candida goes away. But I believe

this is a specific characteristic of doxy; other antibiotics seem to cause

candida easier.

Doris

----- Original Message -----

From: " kdrbrill " <kdrbrill@...>

In my not to humble

> opinion, I believe candida or other fungal infections could be a

> huge part of a lot of our problems, esp if one is on long term

> abx's. Personally, I just cannot fathom taking 8-10 different

> antibiotics for years -- I think that just guarantees fungal/candida

> issues, which if they go systemic, can be deadly if one's immune

> system is compromised.

[Guest guest]

Doris, that's interesting. I was on i.v. doxy for a long time

(months) and never had a yeast problem.

What's odd, is when I went off the doxy, my tongue turned scary

black (fungus) and I developed a day of horrendous gas. I think

you're right, the doxy was definitely suppressing some kind of gut

flora.

I was out of town, had no access to anti-fungals, so took charcoal

and the problem took care of itself.

penny

> " Could be " , but make sure you don't start to assume it " must be " ,

because

> that attitude has stopped a lot of people from getting antibiotics

that

> would help. I have been on doxycycline for many years and been

tested 4

> different ways because the doctor could not believe I wouldn't

have candida.

> But many people on doxy report that their candida goes away. But

I believe

> this is a specific characteristic of doxy; other antibiotics seem

to cause

> candida easier.

>

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " kdrbrill " <kdrbrill@y...>

> In my not to humble

> > opinion, I believe candida or other fungal infections could be a

> > huge part of a lot of our problems, esp if one is on long term

> > abx's. Personally, I just cannot fathom taking 8-10 different

> > antibiotics for years -- I think that just guarantees

fungal/candida

> > issues, which if they go systemic, can be deadly if one's immune

> > system is compromised.