Re: Penny: The Purpose of this list

[Guest guest]

Hi Penny. I hear your points. Perhaps my choice of words or

phrasing wasn't fair to Tony, and I apologize for that. I'm sure

he's not intentionally rude, but his manner comes off as " rude " at

times. (I can't remember the exact post, but his comments

regarding lyme disease came off (to me anyway) as unfair and

yes, rude to those with the disease.

I know he means well, I just wish he would take a deep breath,

and take a moment to understand that not all of us have read his

3000 posts, and thus would appreciate (and HEAR) the points

he's trying to get across if he would slow down a little, and write

answers we can better understand.

Maybe he might consider writing a small report or booklet on his

experiences and theories, that could be posted in the files

section?

My comments sincerely weren't meant as a personal " attack " ,

just an expression of my frustration regarding his (sometimes)

rather " explosive " posts.

My apologies to both you Penny, and Tony, for my previous post.

Can't we all just get along?

Dan

> > > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had a vote

> > Penny you

> > > would loose this one hands down.

> > >

> > > Im on strike until hes back.

> > >

> > > agent bleu

> > >

> > > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting holliday camp.

So

> > I figured

> > > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and walk in

them

> > for a

> > > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for 5

minutes

> > and I am

> > > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and yellowing me.

> > " They call me

> > > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly need

" mellow " ,

> > so " on

> > > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow " trailing

> along ?

> > Does

> > > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > > >  

> > > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my relatively

> > logical,

> > > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien (zolpidem) for

sleep,

> > I want

> > > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic prose that

>

> > > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I flop on

my

> > nose.

> > > >  

> > > > come back, your brain (whatever state the machine

said

> > it was in,

> > > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so shup

up,

> > machine we

> > > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in

Residence

> > here, some

> > > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > > >  

> > > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and when

> > some go ar get

> > > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > > >  

> > > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more eyes/brain/writing

> > capacity

> > > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no, no

energy,

> > in bed

> > > > all day

> > > >  

> > > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to sign also)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dan

I'm like a mad scientist and I play with culture plates and bacteria

so when I come to a forum and read stuff that's been floating around

forums and people quoting the literature and the actual literature

which has NO CLUE on what is wrong with us, I get a bit boystrous.

My observations go completely against the grain of the mainstream

and I also observe that the many ill on these forums also go

completely against the grain of mainstream. One thing that ticks me

off is that we use pill abx's and any old doctor will tell you if

he's serious you'd get intramuscular shots pill abx's don't cut it.

> > > > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had a vote

> > > Penny you

> > > > would loose this one hands down.

> > > >

> > > > Im on strike until hes back.

> > > >

> > > > agent bleu

> > > >

> > > > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting holliday camp.

> So

> > > I figured

> > > > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and walk in

> them

> > > for a

> > > > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for 5

> minutes

> > > and I am

> > > > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and yellowing me.

> > > " They call me

> > > > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly need

> " mellow " ,

> > > so " on

> > > > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow " trailing

> > along ?

> > > Does

> > > > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > > > >  

> > > > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my relatively

> > > logical,

> > > > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien (zolpidem) for

> sleep,

> > > I want

> > > > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic prose that

> >

> > > > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I flop on

> my

> > > nose.

> > > > >  

> > > > > come back, your brain (whatever state the machine

> said

> > > it was in,

> > > > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so shup

> up,

> > > machine we

> > > > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in

> Residence

> > > here, some

> > > > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > > > >  

> > > > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and when

> > > some go ar get

> > > > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > > > >  

> > > > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more eyes/brain/writing

> > > capacity

> > > > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no, no

> energy,

> > > in bed

> > > > > all day

> > > > >  

> > > > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to sign also)

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Tony-

I doubt you've burnt more bridges with Drs. or people than I have.

You don't have a corner on that market.

And many of my observations and actions have been contrary to main

stream and I tend to trust my own judgement over that of others when

it comes to my own personal health especially when it's obvious the

medical profession is offering their best guess.

But. Orals worked for me- regardless of what the names were of bugs

that infected me.

Maybe IV would have worked faster, and maybe they work for people

who GI tracts are so screwed up they don't absorb correctly - or

their diets are so poor that absorption is nil..

SO I can understand how IV could be better in some instances.

But from my experience, orals worked just fine.

Barb

> > > > > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had a vote

> > > > Penny you

> > > > > would loose this one hands down.

> > > > >

> > > > > Im on strike until hes back.

> > > > >

> > > > > agent bleu

> > > > >

> > > > > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting holliday camp.

> > So

> > > > I figured

> > > > > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and walk in

> > them

> > > > for a

> > > > > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for 5

> > minutes

> > > > and I am

> > > > > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and yellowing me.

> > > > " They call me

> > > > > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly need

> > " mellow " ,

> > > > so " on

> > > > > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow " trailing

> > > along ?

> > > > Does

> > > > > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my

relatively

> > > > logical,

> > > > > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien (zolpidem) for

> > sleep,

> > > > I want

> > > > > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic prose

that

> > >

> > > > > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I flop on

> > my

> > > > nose.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > come back, your brain (whatever state the machine

> > said

> > > > it was in,

> > > > > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so shup

> > up,

> > > > machine we

> > > > > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in

> > Residence

> > > > here, some

> > > > > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and when

> > > > some go ar get

> > > > > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more

eyes/brain/writing

> > > > capacity

> > > > > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no, no

> > energy,

> > > > in bed

> > > > > > all day

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to sign also)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Barb

My enthusiasm fo5r doing correct therapy comes from everyone around

me. I don't drive the poor success everyone seems to have with

doctor driven pill therapies. I just make notes, it's like yeah my

kidney infection was better but it kept bouncing back for the last

10 years. then the kiddies with the ear infections and the FDA

recommending no antibiotics to be issued for ear infections. SOmeone

needs to go back to the drawing board.Basically there seems to be a

80% failure rate with infections and pill antibiotics. You using an

antiinflammatory and a combination of things is a whole lot

different approach to using abx. Plus you could have qualified for

success because genetically you inherited good veins strong bones,

the stuff that makes us all individuals.

> > > > > > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had a

vote

> > > > > Penny you

> > > > > > would loose this one hands down.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Im on strike until hes back.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > agent bleu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting holliday

camp.

> > > So

> > > > > I figured

> > > > > > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and walk

in

> > > them

> > > > > for a

> > > > > > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for 5

> > > minutes

> > > > > and I am

> > > > > > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and yellowing

me.

> > > > > " They call me

> > > > > > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly need

> > > " mellow " ,

> > > > > so " on

> > > > > > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow "

trailing

> > > > along ?

> > > > > Does

> > > > > > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my

> relatively

> > > > > logical,

> > > > > > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien (zolpidem)

for

> > > sleep,

> > > > > I want

> > > > > > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic prose

> that

> > > >

> > > > > > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I flop

on

> > > my

> > > > > nose.

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > come back, your brain (whatever state the machine

> > > said

> > > > > it was in,

> > > > > > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so

shup

> > > up,

> > > > > machine we

> > > > > > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in

> > > Residence

> > > > > here, some

> > > > > > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and

when

> > > > > some go ar get

> > > > > > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more

> eyes/brain/writing

> > > > > capacity

> > > > > > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no, no

> > > energy,

> > > > > in bed

> > > > > > > all day

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to sign

also)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Tony, I know what you're getting at. We'd be better off with

injections and higher doses. But people are going to get the idea

that you didn't take pill abx, and that's completely the opposite

from the truth. You took lots of pill abx. And when I say lots, I

mean LOTS!

penny

> > > > > > > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had a

> vote

> > > > > > Penny you

> > > > > > > would loose this one hands down.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Im on strike until hes back.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > agent bleu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting holliday

> camp.

> > > > So

> > > > > > I figured

> > > > > > > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and

walk

> in

> > > > them

> > > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for 5

> > > > minutes

> > > > > > and I am

> > > > > > > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and yellowing

> me.

> > > > > > " They call me

> > > > > > > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly need

> > > > " mellow " ,

> > > > > > so " on

> > > > > > > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow "

> trailing

> > > > > along ?

> > > > > > Does

> > > > > > > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my

> > relatively

> > > > > > logical,

> > > > > > > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien (zolpidem)

> for

> > > > sleep,

> > > > > > I want

> > > > > > > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic

prose

> > that

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I

flop

> on

> > > > my

> > > > > > nose.

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > come back, your brain (whatever state the

machine

> > > > said

> > > > > > it was in,

> > > > > > > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so

> shup

> > > > up,

> > > > > > machine we

> > > > > > > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in

> > > > Residence

> > > > > > here, some

> > > > > > > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and

> when

> > > > > > some go ar get

> > > > > > > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more

> > eyes/brain/writing

> > > > > > capacity

> > > > > > > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no,

no

> > > > energy,

> > > > > > in bed

> > > > > > > > all day

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to sign

> also)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Penny

I'm using drugs in ways that theve never been used.I experiment by

concentrating the drugs at high levels so they can distribute to

where there needed, as you know it still takes some extra madness to

realise that the drugs needed to get to your infectious sites are

inadequate- hence bleach.So I can't really put my hand up and say

you can do it with pills, it takes good science to deliver the best

therapy to each individual. Maybe 20% can completely recover using

smart choice pills, it's just in my case my infection was so large I

qualified for the face peel and scrap surgery.I realise how massive

the infection is when you use therapy that lights up your sites.

> > > > > > > > Yes I want Agent sha back too. I think if we had

a

> > vote

> > > > > > > Penny you

> > > > > > > > would loose this one hands down.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Im on strike until hes back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > agent bleu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is somewhere in an I & I reformatting

holliday

> > camp.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > I figured

> > > > > > > > > I could use his (very pretty, dainty slippers and

> walk

> > in

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > > while, see what happens. I've only had them on for

5

> > > > > minutes

> > > > > > > and I am

> > > > > > > > > already feeling the " vibes " mellowing and

yellowing

> > me.

> > > > > > > " They call me

> > > > > > > > > mellow yellow, that's right " . " Mellow " I badly

need

> > > > > " mellow " ,

> > > > > > > so " on

> > > > > > > > > board, Mellow " ! but do I have to have " Yellow "

> > trailing

> > > > > > along ?

> > > > > > > Does

> > > > > > > > > he come as part of the package with Mellow?

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > I have taken my sleeping tablet and I am not my

> > > relatively

> > > > > > > logical,

> > > > > > > > > not very poetic self, when I take ambien

(zolpidem)

> > for

> > > > > sleep,

> > > > > > > I want

> > > > > > > > > to write the kind of things, the kind of poetic

> prose

> > > that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > writes, only I am just drugged I am not so I

> flop

> > on

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > nose.

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > come back, your brain (whatever state the

> machine

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > it was in,

> > > > > > > > > but it, the machine doesn't know you! does it?) so

> > shup

> > > > > up,

> > > > > > > machine we

> > > > > > > > > want sha back on I & I. sha is the Poet in

> > > > > Residence

> > > > > > > here, some

> > > > > > > > > people prbbly didn't realise this fact.

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > There are always a few pillars on these groups and

> > when

> > > > > > > some go ar get

> > > > > > > > > kicked out, they just crumble and die.

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > falling asleep, but I seem to have more

> > > eyes/brain/writing

> > > > > > > capacity

> > > > > > > > > last 2  days but heart beating funny again and no,

> no

> > > > > energy,

> > > > > > > in bed

> > > > > > > > > all day

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > Nelly (petition of one-but others might wish to

sign

> > also)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >