Re: Rudeness, whey, mercury and herxing-- are they the same?

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Jim:

Get over it.

I've noted your disclaimer that the subject is meant humerously -

but I don't have a problem with Tony- and people get upset

with me because of THAT??

Why do some people get so upset when one person DEFENDS another...

Chronically sick people blow all the time- have emotional outbursts

and their tolerances for certain behaviours is all over the place

most of the time... and Oh god there's hell to pay lest someone

question someone elses intelligence. And we're all lay people here,

mostly outside of convention- do I have to remind you of that??

SO I do excuse alot of behaviour on this list, and I'll excuse yours,

and any one else's for a while- then when my tolerance level is

reached-

I'll take a vaction from these internet lists- Just like Tony did.

Barb

this post was edited by me (bpeck) to add the notation, that I

recognize Jim's trying to keep this light, and was not meant

maliciously.

> The subject above is meant humorously.

>

> Barb- Your excusing Tony's rudeness of tone, partial

> answers and obfuscation, etc. because you " know he

> cares " (versus people who are rude but you don't

> know?) is, to use his choice phrase-- hogwash. We only

> know how it sounds, the rest is guesswork. Note that I

> used " rudeness of tone " not calling him names

> personally.

>

> It's his partial answers, rather than his tone, which

> I find a waste. He talks in conclusions not

> procedures, he appears to selectively respond to only

> one of a list of questions to be specific about--

> mostly with a rant and an implied set of procedures

> but little specificity.

>

> Tony- your conclusion that all herx is " bugs firing

> back " is interesting but obviously not the whole

> story. Yes, there is evidense of bug cytokine

> stimulation in response to threat, but there is also

> evidense of endotoxin released from both bug

> functioning and from killing them. The toxicity of the

> staph you mention is precisely this. So these blanket

> statements you make that something is completely the

> thing you have concluded, and anyone who thinks

> otherwise is an idiot, are unwarranted and misleading.

> Let's have a talk, not an ideological lecture.

>

> On another front-

> I'm trying a couple of new things to add to the

> picture. In my search for a less expensive way to

> add... whey, I found a source of undenatured way from

> Bio Chem which is an isolate and claims to be 99%

> undenatured (should be non-denatured). It's obviously

> not as concentrated as ImmuneRx but has two things

> going for it: it's cheap at Vitacost.com, and since

> it's not as potent I don't get so much detox at once

> and can ramp up more gradually. I'm finding it is

> really helping.

>

> The second thing: I'm trying, with a home test kit and

> some NDF-- a micronized chlorella-- to do a home

> mercury challenge to see if this might be part of my

> immune supression, a la build up from low glutathione.

> I'll let you all know whether this came up with

> anything useful.

>

> Jim