Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hey. This is very silly. and Penny are both at sensitive points right now, and you are both over reacting to each others posts. Call it an auto-immune reaction and I would tend to agree. has said nothing on air that would be warranted of his fine. I welcome his posts, and would appreciate it Penny if you would put him back online. I cringe at tonys posts but would never have him banned either. And he has put more backs up here than most. That said he is also dealing with a significant challenge and also has some interesting insights from his perspective. Tony clearly suffers also with delusions of Grandeur. But that is all part of what makes us US. I enjoy Tonys posts, s and everyone else's. They are quirky for their own reasons and it is a joy to a part of such an eclectic group. So please lets all let bigots be bigots (spell check changed it from bigons) lol, and let everyone have there say. The group will self regulate anyone that it deems necessary. As what happened with Tony last time. bleu On 17 May 2005, at 03:16, penny wrote: > Thanks , > > I couldn't agree more. I didn't want to make this call, and I did > try to take it back channel, but continued to escalate the > situation, making it personal and doing it in public despite my > requests not to. It's not a constructive argument. It's hard for me, > because I consider a friend and have been baffled for weeks by > his anger at me, which began simply because I respond well to > Benicar. That's what this all comes back to. Although I don't really > think this is about me, or Benicar. I think this is about 's > illness getting the better of him right now. > > I also agree that we've lost our sense of humor. A lot of this was > definitely meant humorously and has been misconstrued. When I > said " lyme light " that was totally a silly play on words, something > the regular would have appreciated. Not meant as a disparaging > comment. If someone wants to interpret something non specific as a > personal slur, then they also need to take responsibility for their > own perceptions, or lack of humor, and not automatically assume the > worst of others. > > Durameter, we have a long history of friendly debate here without > targeting individual people or accusing others of bad intentions or > despicable agendas. That's what has been doing with increasing > frequency lately, and it has been rapidly escalating the last couple > of days. It's never happened before and I'd like to give him a > chance to cool down and get some perspective. > > If, however, you can't see the distinction between debate and > personal attacks on individuals, please find a board more fitting to > your taste. > > I have temporarily banned for his own good until he can calm > down and not do something he totally regrets. His words can't hurt > me, and that's not why I'm doing it. I survived Trevor Marshall's > wrath. I kept mainly quiet through that entire ordeal. I've been > sued, threatened, had the list shut down, started another one and am > still standing to tell the tale. This has always been about letting > all points of view be expressed without making any of it personal. > This is not about attacking individual people just because we don't > agree with them. When personal attacks start happening, that's when > people will be invited to leave. > > And Tony, please tone it down. Say what you want to say without > disparaging comments, even if they're supposed to be funny or non > specific and not directed at anyone in particular. We don't need the > flames fanned right now. > > penny > > > > > > I wish hadnt been suspended. I hope all this stuff can be > worked > > out with no hard feelings. Just try to realize its not that big of > a > > deal, and take the discussion to back-channel if need be. > > > > Irreverence, including jibes and bleak humor, is an integral part > of > > this list and a reference to the blinding " lymelight " should be > taken > > as a witty formulation, not offensive in the least. A suggestion > that > > some organism is getting too much attention from ill people may be > > controversial, but is no huge deal, and if someone wants to counter > > such a suggestion, just pony up some data and some inferences. It > > would be great to have multiple people critically going over the > > claims and bases of a " pandemic viewpoint " paper like the " Ancient > > Engine " paper by Harvey and Salvato, which is free online. We would > > all stand to be edified. > > > > Meanwhile, I'm glad Tonys back, but randomly calling lyme > borreliosis > > a bunch of hooey is just nonsense, its like calling the sky orange, > > and is unhelpful to people. So Ive pointed out the observation that > > isolated Bb causes erythema migrans rash and persistant infection > in > > macaque monkeys just as it does in humans - many of whose chronic > > disease began with EM rash. And Barb taught us all, months ago, > that > > you cant see spirochetes on a normal brightfield setup like Tonys > > because their thickness is below the resolution (darkfield > > " exaggerates " thicknesses). If others who are PO'd by Tony (or > > whoever) also just point out some concrete observations regarding > > borreliosis or whatever, who knows, we may be able to issue him a > Bb > > PhD in the near future. We all know how bad he wants one, deep > down... > > those who know him only from public postings would be shocked by > how > > many times he emailed me begging for a xerox of my copy of the > newest > > ILADS guidelines > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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