Significant finding - Live Oral Bacteria Found In Arterial Plaque

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Thanks Penny, I couldn't figure out why my dental plaque was so bad

since starting antibiotics.

- Kate D.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, at 12:58 PM, penny wrote:

> But the bugs are creating the placque themselves, right? I mean,

> sometimes when I start a new abx, the placque will build up over

> night, and I can literally chip what feels like pieces of concrete

> off the backs of my lower front teeth.

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Maybe Myoplamsas aren't really hogwash, maybe you are a little

ignorant of their nature. I have no problem with people getting

positives and negatives. We aren't talking about staph. Mycos are

entriely different. Fermentans is also known as Incognitus. It

morphs, goes dormant and spends it's entire life inside of normal

looking cells other then when it is running from one used up cell to

another good one. So depending on what is happening at the time of

the test will make a difference.

Another problem is how quick the lab gets your samples. Mycos, don't

live very long oustide of the body. The best test used to find the

Mycos is the PCR/DNA. If your samples take to long to get to the lab

then the DNA will deegrade and you get a possible false negative.

There are tiny little handful of docs who know that priming with ABX

can increase your chance of getting a positive. This is also true

with Lyme another hard to find CWD. Only a handful of people come

back with positive results for Lyme, but no one doesn't believe in

Lyme these days.........unless maybe you don't.

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Well Tony, then I hate to tell ya, but what you " think " it is, will

have to be called something else, because herx is already taken.

Karl Herxeimer coined it a herx already, it's got his name on it.

Maybe the TONY.

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I'm not sure I understandn where we differ here . I believe a

histamine responce can be a part of the herx. Could a histamine

response be due to a reaction to the toxins from the dieoff?

Antihistamines are recommended to relieve a herx.

> > > There's a massive microbial population on everyone in these

> forums

> > > so watching it's growth pattern and person's level of

discomfort

> > > would prove the HERX another MYTH busted.Then there's the

highly

> > > resistant bacterial population that fires of missiles

everytime

> > > there's a perceived threat and you don't just sit back and not

> feel

> > > or recognise one of these attacks because your histamine

> > > inflammatory systems are going thru the roof.

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> > Per Sjöholm

> > Stockholm, Sweden

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Jelly

I al;so read all that stuff- been there done that. When youy have a

twisted staph- highly resistant, very toxic, there isn'r a cell in

your body that can escape this bug it's everywhere.It's

intracellular, when they do a myco test when you have this staph

intracellular it could be it's 16 rna they probed. Also nicholson

mycoplasma man has been an absolute dud and done no good for anyone

because he doesn't have the slightest idea what therapy to do.

Even after he was given few million by the uS military to get some

of the soldiers better.treatment failed.

It would be scary for someone to be improving on decent antibiotics

and put there doctor off by bringing this mycoplasma stuff up.

Look I was on the same page as everyone else the candida people the

mycoplamsa people I just knew when to jump off those ships.

tony

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We differ because I totally don't believe in HERX. If I went and

took a course of erythromycin a very resistant antibiotic against my

sinus staph and many others staphs it would herx me. But to me this

isn't due to any bacterial die off it's just due to bacterial

annoyance.

But the only good thing that could possably come from this is the

bacteria floating around in those clumped red cells may actually

present to the immun system albeit no whippy do excitement would

occur in IMO.

> > > > There's a massive microbial population on everyone in these

> > forums

> > > > so watching it's growth pattern and person's level of

> discomfort

> > > > would prove the HERX another MYTH busted.Then there's the

> highly

> > > > resistant bacterial population that fires of missiles

> everytime

> > > > there's a perceived threat and you don't just sit back and

not

> > feel

> > > > or recognise one of these attacks because your histamine

> > > > inflammatory systems are going thru the roof.

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Per Sjöholm

> > > Stockholm, Sweden

[Guest guest]

There's tons of data on what happens in a herx/die off, do you have

data on bacterial annoyance?

> > > > > There's a massive microbial population on everyone in

these

> > > forums

> > > > > so watching it's growth pattern and person's level of

> > discomfort

> > > > > would prove the HERX another MYTH busted.Then there's the

> > highly

> > > > > resistant bacterial population that fires of missiles

> > everytime

> > > > > there's a perceived threat and you don't just sit back and

> not

> > > feel

> > > > > or recognise one of these attacks because your histamine

> > > > > inflammatory systems are going thru the roof.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Per Sjöholm

> > > > Stockholm, Sweden

[Guest guest]

Are you in remission since treating the staph?

I have a great doctor and have been with him for over 11 years. He

was the one who first brought up Mycos and at first I didn't listen,

even went out looking for other doctors who offered me NADA. He is

always open to anything I bring in, even let me try the MP. If I

felt staph was an issue, he would be more then willing to look at it

again. He thinks it is great that I am revisiting Lyme since I

looked last time, things have changed.

I seems you are rather stuck on staph. Staph could very well be a

possibility, but the majority of the world has staph to some degree,

somewhere on them. It might be that it has to become rampant before

most notice it. Mycos are only one possibility. I think there is

Mycos, EBV, Cytomegalovirus, Lyme, staph, etc, etc, etc, that could

be implicated, not just one. There are 100s if not 1000s of

variables.

Out of curiosity, how did your staph infection manifest itself? Was

it a slow progression or were you broadsided?

Why would I jump ship, when right now I am in 95% remission? Do you

have a logical explanation as to how I got here without treating

staph? Convince me.

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