Sue Spencer--about Tarello

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

I've just read Tarello's main paper:

http://tinyurl.com/7w9y7

PMID: 11561958

(Thanks, Penny, for the heads-up on this one).

It is fascinating, and seems to parrallel what happened to Garth

Nicolson and his wife, though they became interested in

Mycoplasma spp.

A couple of things concern me, though.

The only antibiotic they report having tried was doxycycline. Did

they not try other antibiotics before trying potassium arsenite?

Potassium arsenite is seriously toxic, isn't it? Are you planning

on using an arsenic compound?

Also, in the full-text of the paper I cited above, he says:

" The clinical presentation of these infections [staph small colony

variants] is readily explained by a reduction in electron transport,

resulting in a decrease electrochemical gradient and reduced

quantitities of ATP at disposal. The consequence is an

abnormal ion channel function that may explain the symptoms of

chronic fatigue(3). "

Where citation " 3 " refers to this one

http://tinyurl.com/cae5f

PMID: 10790725

It appears to me that this is a serious lapse in logic. The small

colony variants (SCVs) of Staph have a diminished proton motive

force. That is, they have altered ion concentrations across their

membranes.

But what does this have to do with channelopathies that alter ion

concentrations across host cell membranes?

Also, has Tarello said anything about supplementing with

vitamin K during antibiotic use? This paper suggests its use:

http://tinyurl.com/78b5p

PMID: 10720801

Apparently, menadione can reverse the SCV phenotype in some

cases and they said,

" It was found that this effect [resistance of SCVs to antibiotics]

could be reversed with the addition of menadione, suggesting

that vitamin K may benefit patients being treated for SCV

infections. "

Also, you have a microscope (as does Dr. W) but it was Tarello

that said you have micrococci. You haven't looked for the

micrococci yourself?

I'm glad you're here. Please keep us updated on what you find

microscopically.

Thanks,

Matt

PS. If any of you horror fans out there need some late-night

reading, check out the two citations above on SCVs, along with

this one:

http://tinyurl.com/7tp9z

PMID: 11719226

King sings sweet lullabyes by comparison.

> > per

> > I feel on ebay your micrscope store is UNBELIEVABLE as far

as

> > pricing goes . A 2000 dollar microscope equivalent sells for

200

> > dollars and the opticals shouldbe fine.

[Guest guest]

Tony did arsenic, found it very helpful, as I'm sure he'll tell you.

Wishes he'd done more.

Also, you have to realize that medicinal arsenic was commonly used

for ages until the emergence of abx, and a smear campaign against

arsenic was started (quite successfully). Arsenic is still legal in

parts of Europe, and veterinarians, like Tarello, use it in animals

successfully.

In the U.S. arsenic is only FDA approved for Leukemia (except in

Arizona, maybe -at least that's what I'm told, where they seem to be

able to do anything they want:-).

Tarello and his wife weren't sick that long, so that could explain

why their treatment was so successful, also that he has so much

experience treating sick animals, doing their labwork etc.

I know that he got very frustrated and fed up with the lack of

interest in the scientific world, but was very helpful to Tony when

Tony was learning to do his own testing at home.

penny

> > > per

> > > I feel on ebay your micrscope store is UNBELIEVABLE as far

> as

> > > pricing goes . A 2000 dollar microscope equivalent sells for

> 200

> > > dollars and the opticals shouldbe fine.

[Guest guest]

Arsenic is very, very powerfull in making you well. I think my

mistake at the time was to hold onto a few rotten teeth that have

the ability to hide bacteria both from drugs and the immune system.

Also you can't turn rot around easily so if your left rotting too

long it makes all therapy harder to gauge.

Looking back I would definately do double the tarello dosage and not

mess around with the bacteria. Basically they can build resistance

to arsenic unless they are the coagulase positive species tarello

usually finds in pets. The coag positives are less likely to build

resistance for some strange reason.

> > > > per

> > > > I feel on ebay your micrscope store is UNBELIEVABLE as far

> > as

> > > > pricing goes . A 2000 dollar microscope equivalent sells for

> > 200

> > > > dollars and the opticals shouldbe fine.

[Guest guest]

Oh yes.

I think humans have way underestimated a bacteria's will

to survive and just how fast they can 'evolve'.

And how they assist each other when threatened.. and of course

they're gregarious- living in colonies and loving it.

I run my own horror show in my head

from time to time, trying to fulgure out what move

I want to make next.

Barb

> > > per

> > > I feel on ebay your micrscope store is UNBELIEVABLE as far

> as

> > > pricing goes . A 2000 dollar microscope equivalent sells for

> 200

> > > dollars and the opticals shouldbe fine.

[Guest guest]

Matt,

I haven't seen Tarello myself so I can't comment on how he treats staph

infections. He looked at a blood smear of mine that was sent to him by

DrW. I did intend to try the arsenic remedy - Fowler's Solution - that

Tarello talks about but the pharmacy ran out of the stuff & didn't order

more in because DrW was no longer recommending it as first line

treatment. There must be people in the UK who've tried it but I've not

heard how successful it was. I can remember looking for info on it &

not finding any suggestion that it would be effective against borrelia,

tho' it used to be used for syphilis. I'd have been taking it for the

staph problem.

As for seeing staph in my blood - we've seen bacteria but I can't say

exactly what they are. Some of them are similar to those DrW said were

probably micrococci - I can't say more than that really.

Sue

phagelod wrote:

> Hi Sue

>

> I've just read Tarello's main paper:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/7w9y7

>

> PMID: 11561958

>

> (Thanks, Penny, for the heads-up on this one).

>

> It is fascinating, and seems to parrallel what happened to Garth

> Nicolson and his wife, though they became interested in

> Mycoplasma spp.

>

> A couple of things concern me, though.

>

> The only antibiotic they report having tried was doxycycline. Did

> they not try other antibiotics before trying potassium arsenite?

> Potassium arsenite is seriously toxic, isn't it? Are you planning

> on using an arsenic compound?

>

> Also, in the full-text of the paper I cited above, he says:

>

> " The clinical presentation of these infections [staph small colony

> variants] is readily explained by a reduction in electron transport,

> resulting in a decrease electrochemical gradient and reduced

> quantitities of ATP at disposal. The consequence is an

> abnormal ion channel function that may explain the symptoms of

> chronic fatigue(3). "

>

> Where citation " 3 " refers to this one

>

> http://tinyurl.com/cae5f

>

> PMID: 10790725

>

>

> It appears to me that this is a serious lapse in logic. The small

> colony variants (SCVs) of Staph have a diminished proton motive

> force. That is, they have altered ion concentrations across their

> membranes.

>

> But what does this have to do with channelopathies that alter ion

> concentrations across host cell membranes?

>

> Also, has Tarello said anything about supplementing with

> vitamin K during antibiotic use? This paper suggests its use:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/78b5p

>

> PMID: 10720801

>

> Apparently, menadione can reverse the SCV phenotype in some

> cases and they said,

>

> " It was found that this effect [resistance of SCVs to antibiotics]

> could be reversed with the addition of menadione, suggesting

> that vitamin K may benefit patients being treated for SCV

> infections. "

>

> Also, you have a microscope (as does Dr. W) but it was Tarello

> that said you have micrococci. You haven't looked for the

> micrococci yourself?

>

> I'm glad you're here. Please keep us updated on what you find

> microscopically.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Matt

>

> PS. If any of you horror fans out there need some late-night

> reading, check out the two citations above on SCVs, along with

> this one:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/7tp9z

>

> PMID: 11719226

>

> King sings sweet lullabyes by comparison.