Re: Vitamin K2 and Staph SCVs

[Guest guest]

Matt the double edge sword. Perfect example.

I don't think people realize how super important our GI tract is.

The first pass of some of the p450 enzymes are in there - antibodies

are made there- as a J pointed out to me FIVE pounds of bacteria

are in there.

And on most people's list, the GI tract takes a low priority.

And it's a subject (poop) no one ever wants to talk about.

Barb

Matt wrote in part:

Here's the " Can I please catch a break? " part of the story:

It is generally said, though the evidence is not unequivocal on

this, that we obtain vitamin K2 from the natural flora in our GI

tract. The same bacteria we decimate with antibiotics.

Anybody up for some Natto?

Matt

>

> > Also, has Tarello said anything about supplementing with

> > vitamin K during antibiotic use? This paper suggests its use:

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/78b5p

> >

> > PMID: 10720801

> >

> > Apparently, menadione can reverse the SCV phenotype in

> some

> > cases and they said,

> >

> > " It was found that this effect [resistance of SCVs to

antibiotics]

> > could be reversed with the addition of menadione, suggesting

> > that vitamin K may benefit patients being treated for SCV

> > infections. "

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Matt

> >

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, maybe this is why my doc wanted me to take vitamin K while I

was on i.v. abx, even though it seemed to me that K messes with

coagulation in some way that I was not keen on at the time. Did you

catch anything on K and hypercoagulation?

penny

>

> > Also, has Tarello said anything about supplementing with

> > vitamin K during antibiotic use? This paper suggests its use:

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/78b5p

> >

> > PMID: 10720801

> >

> > Apparently, menadione can reverse the SCV phenotype in

> some

> > cases and they said,

> >

> > " It was found that this effect [resistance of SCVs to

antibiotics]

> > could be reversed with the addition of menadione, suggesting

> > that vitamin K may benefit patients being treated for SCV

> > infections. "

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Matt

> >

[Guest guest]

I think I read that the only role that has yet been defined for

vitamin K relates to coagulation. I think I also read that vitamin K

has both pro- and anti-coagulatory properties but that the net

effect was pro-coagulatory, or at least anti-anti-coagulatory

effects.

Anybody using vitamin K should investigate these matters in

some detail before supplementing. I'll do that when the time

comes for me to make a decision. For now I'm satisfied to

simply add vitamin K to my " investigate further list " , which has

become a demanding one.

Matt

> >

> > > Also, has Tarello said anything about supplementing with

> > > vitamin K during antibiotic use? This paper suggests its

use:

> > >

> > > http://tinyurl.com/78b5p

> > >

> > > PMID: 10720801

> > >

> > > Apparently, menadione can reverse the SCV phenotype in

> > some

> > > cases and they said,

> > >

> > > " It was found that this effect [resistance of SCVs to

> antibiotics]

> > > could be reversed with the addition of menadione,

suggesting

> > > that vitamin K may benefit patients being treated for SCV

> > > infections. "

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Matt

> > >