RE: Re: Another development in autism

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Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the environmental factor in autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to over use of broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida overgrowth is the key ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade of events, the end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when you contract yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling symptoms that collectively could be described as reducing your existence to that of a zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as a defined illness ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now cured]...The point is the medical profession do not recognise the problem , so a vitally important factor in the health of millions is being ignored ...You either accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that the facts are overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining health of millions , talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest, including the very important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see yeast as per dr's Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me ...or do you think they/we are mistaken ...

[infections] Another development in autism> > > Hi, all.> > Yesterday a couple from Lafayette, CA who have an autistic son> announced (in Washington, D.C.) an organization with a website> promoting chelation of mercury in autism using transdermal DMPS.> This looks like a major development in promotion of the general> public's understanding of the causes of autism and broader treatment> of autistic kids using chelation, and I think that much of it will> turn out to be relevant to many cases of chronic fatigue syndrome as> well. I recommend reading this site:> > http://www.generationrescue.org> > Incidentally, they present the argument that mercury is also> responsible for the rise in ADD and ADHD as well as other disorders> in children in recent years. This has vast ramifications.> > They've done a very good job of presenting the facts, as far as I> can tell. They do mention the glutathione depletion work of Dr.> , et al., and they do present all the major sources of mercury,> including the thimerosol in vaccines, amalgam fillings, fish> consumption, and environmental releases from coal-fired power> plants. They also talk about supporting methylation with> supplements.> > This development was given good press coverage in the San Francisco> area this morning, with articles in both the San Francisco Chronicle> and the east bay Valley Times. It also appeared in the Washington> Times, and UPI has picked it up as well. This is the first time> I've seen mercury from amalgams mentioned as a cause of disease in a> regular newspaper article. This development may open that subject> up for more press coverage. There have been lots of articles about> the fish source of mercury and the dispute over U.S. government> limits for mercury release from power plants, but discussion of> amalgams has been conspicuously absent, though it's a bigger source> of mercury for the average member of the U.S. population.> > I continue to be hopeful that there will be spin-offs from these> developments in autism to CFS. As I've said before, I think that> problems with glutathione production and use are at the root of both> these disorders (probably not all cases of CFS, but many of them).> In autism, this was exacerbated by elevated mercury intake from the> thimerosol in the vaccines and from other sources. In CFS, elevated> mercury may have been the cause of some cases, but in others I think> it is a contributor to the total load of glutathione depletors.> Whether it is the root cause or merely a contributor in a particular> case of CFS, I think it is nevertheless true that the mercury level> rises when the person is exposed to it at levels higher than can be> taken out by the available glutathione, so that mercury often rises> to toxic levels in PWCs, whether or not it was the first cause of> the glutathione depletion.> > Rich> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> -->

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Rich ,Thanks for the insight ,that's some info you've come up with for what must have been a relatively short time researching !!! im glad ive got you thinking, autistic kids need all the help they can get ,they certainly don't get help from many of the so called DAN [defeat autism now] docs, many seem to regard the kids as commodities rather than patients

Just to add a little more , I did have quote from an American doc specialising in immunology [lost in a computer crash] , he said when immunity drops Candida grows ...That explains the Candida link with those who contract CFS by other infections , many develop CFS following flu or as with spouses of those with CFS from contact . See what you think of my reasoning , the following is part of an update of my web site ..

Spirochetes make up part of our gut flora

..the surprising thing is they have no detectable function at all, we do not know if they morph or not ,it seems reasonable to me to assume that they do

morph..

Dr Andy a leading CFS expert here in the UK reports he finds spirochetes in every patient suffering with chronic fatigue…

He also answers the puzzle of the cyclical nature of our illness . The bacteria waxes and wanes on a cycle, Dr reports two growth spurts per

month – about 8/9 days and 30 days – Dr ’s microscopy experience tells us one day it can be real difficult to see any bacteria but a few days

later the blood is teeming with them..

This is an amazing fact. The implications of this are enormous; we apparently could carry the seeds of our own infection!!…. If we couple what

we know with gut dysbiosis… the mode of infection does seem to jump out to you …. Hundreds of bacterial species make up human gut flora. Of these,

99% are anaerobic bacteria. Although anaerobes are part of the normal commensal flora, they can become opportunistic pathogens,, Given that the

Lyme bacteria morphs to the CWD form when under stress it seems as a method of eluding our immune defences.….it looks a reasonable argument

that the conditions arising from a yeast dominant gut disbyosis would allow the escape of bacteria from the colonic milieu.

In short we are not witnessing the rise of the super tick .the presumed mode of infection but as per my introduction page we witness the fall, the

demise of the immune system .Over five thousand people are or were in the British Candida Society all would describe themselves as chronically

fatigued , all therefore would have CWD bacteria in their blood …all bitten by ticks ..… I don’t think so ...yeast is the catalyst.

Dr Cantwell another leading researcher reports he finds CWD bacteria in the sweat [glands] in every CFS patient The gut flora connection would very

neatly explain this fact…

Mucosal sites are supplied with moisture via the lymphatic system as are our sweat glands …that moisture obviously originates in the gut ..see the

following extract detailing how gut bacteria disseminate .

Oral probiotics can resolve urogenital infections.Reid G, Bruce AW, Fraser N, Heinemann C, Owen J, Henning B.Lawson Research Institute, London, Ont., Canada. gregor@...We report the first clinical evidence that probiotic lactobacilli can be delivered to the vagina following oral intake. In 10 women with a history of recurrent

yeast vaginitis, bacterial vaginosis (BV) and urinary tract infections, strains Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1 and Lactobacillus fermentum RC-14

suspended in skim milk and given twice daily for 14 days, were recovered from the vagina and identified by morphology and molecular typing within 1

week of commencement of therapy. In six cases of asymptomatic BV or intermediate BV (based upon Nugent scoring) was resolved within 1 week of

therapy.PMID: 11172991 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Here is further evidence that the altering of PH levels allows bacteria to escape from the gut and cause major illness

Gut drugs 'carry pneumonia risk'It is thought the pneumonia risk is associated with the increase in stomach bacteria, which is normally killed by the acid.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3955207.stm

From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of rvankonynenSent: 26 May 2005 02:35infections Subject: [infections] Re: Another development in autismHi, .Thanks to you, I did some studying on Candida and glutathione, and I learned some very interesting things.First, Candida makes glutathione for its own use and it is important for protecting the yeast against reactive oxygen species.Second, the way lactoferrin (as in ImmunoPro Rx or RenewPro, for example) acts to kill yeast is that it decreases the amount of glutathione in the mitochondria and raises the levels of reactive oxygen species. This brings about apoptosis, or programed cell death.Making use of this information, I suggest that when there is Candida overgrowth in the gut, the Candida may be intercepting the cysteine that comes in with the diet to make its own glutathione, depriving the liver of cysteine and thus making it difficult for the liver to produce glutathione. This could be a mechanism for Candida lowering the glutathione levels in the body, in accordance with your argument that the Candida overgrowth could precede the glutathione depletion. I had already inferred from the literature that infections can bring about glutathione depletion, as I reported in my AACFS poster paper, but I had been focussing on viral and intracellular bacterial infections, and had not considered yeast infections as a potential cause of glutathione depletion. But now I think this could provide a mechanism for that.Another interesting thing is that I read that giving NAC to kids with autism can cause their yeast infections to flare up. I think this can be explained by the need for glutathione by Candida. Perhaps the availability of glutathione precursors is what limits the growth of the Candida in candidiasis.So thanks again, , and your points are well taken.Rich > > Hi Rich , actually no my basic point was that the environmental > factor in> > autism is the diminishing quality of our gut flora , due to over > use of> > broad spectrum abx'x & a high sugar diet ...Candida overgrowth is > the key> > ....toxins generated by the overgrowth lead to the cascade of > events, the> > end result is autism..that is if your 18 months or so when you > contract> > yeast overgrowth ...As an adult you experience appalling symptoms > that> > collectively could be described as reducing your existence to that > of a> > zombie ...Many debate the existence of yeast overgrowth as a > defined illness> > ...I don't need to, ive experienced it ..for decades [now > cured]...The point> > is the medical profession do not recognise the problem , so a > vitally> > important factor in the health of millions is being > ignored ...You either> > accept that as a fact or you don't ..I put the augment that the > facts are> > overwhelming Yeast is a major factor in the declining health of > millions ,> > talking chicken & egg ...its Candida first then the rest, > including the very> > important glutathione depletion ...Yes?.... do you see yeast as > per dr's> > Crook ,Truss, Cranton & testimonies from people like me ...or do > you think> > they/we are mistaken ...