Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hi everyone, As much as I hate to do it, I've temporarily suspended 's posting privileges. This is hard for me, because I'm against censorship, but the conversations aren't in the least bit constructive or beneficial to anyone, especially not to . I'm hoping after a few days break, the old will be ready to rejoin us. penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 S. didn't do anything but express his thoughts and feelings, ideas and concerns, just like everyone else does here. It may have been over-reactive, but not nearly as off-putting as the new (re?) posts by this Tony person. This action smacks of MP'ism. I think it is unwarranted, unsavory, and personal. > Hi everyone, > > As much as I hate to do it, I've temporarily suspended 's posting > privileges. This is hard for me, because I'm against censorship, but > the conversations aren't in the least bit constructive or beneficial > to anyone, especially not to . > > I'm hoping after a few days break, the old will be ready to > rejoin us. > > penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 WHoops- hit send before I even typed anything. As many know I am against editing, censoring and banning. (unless someone really gets truly threatening, and maybe thinking about reaching out into the real world against some one, then that's another category all together.). But there are 200 people on this list and maybe 10 that post regularily - 10.. and we still get under each other skins. Sigh. Barb > > Hi everyone, > > > > As much as I hate to do it, I've temporarily suspended 's > posting > > privileges. This is hard for me, because I'm against censorship, but > > the conversations aren't in the least bit constructive or beneficial > > to anyone, especially not to . > > > > I'm hoping after a few days break, the old will be ready to > > rejoin us. > > > > penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Unless something has been going on behind the scenes, I haven't seen anything that has said that is worthy of banishment. It seems more like a 'written' word misinterpretation. Robyn > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As much as I hate to do it, I've temporarily suspended 's > > posting > > > privileges. This is hard for me, because I'm against censorship, > but > > > the conversations aren't in the least bit constructive or > beneficial > > > to anyone, especially not to . > > > > > > I'm hoping after a few days break, the old will be ready to > > > rejoin us. > > > > > > penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Dear Penny, Dear , I wish I knew what to say to make things better. You have no idea how sad it makes me to see my war buddies at odds with each other. I care about both of you and need both of you--your ideas, your humor, your research, your encouragement. Who started it? I have an opinion, but I'm not saying. Who said or did the worst thing? I have an opinion, but I'm not saying. How to end it? I have an opinion, and here it is. You should both post anything you want to--starting immediately--and neither of you should read the other's posts. Just skip over them, until we can all work together again. We have a history that's too valuable to throw away. Sue , Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Well said. > Dear Penny, Dear , > > I wish I knew what to say to make things better. You have no idea how > sad it makes me to see my war buddies at odds with each other. I care > about both of you and need both of you--your ideas, your humor, your > research, your encouragement. > > Who started it? I have an opinion, but I'm not saying. Who said or > did the worst thing? I have an opinion, but I'm not saying. > > How to end it? I have an opinion, and here it is. You should both > post anything you want to--starting immediately--and neither of you > should read the other's posts. Just skip over them, until we can all > work together again. We have a history that's too valuable to throw > away. > > Sue , > Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hi Sue (and everyone), Good idea, Sue. I'd go for that. Actually, I can read 's posts with no problem, except when they are accusing any individual on this list of spurious motives or claiming they are posting intentional misinformation. (In fact, this is why I edited Tony's post, because he called someone off-list a " quack " . I asked Tony to moderate himself, just as everyone should, and has been, until recently.) After my recent legal troubles, I can't let that kind of stuff stand here, not if we don't want to get another list shut down, nor do I relish ending up in court again. But I don't have the time to edit people's posts, and I don't want to delete posts (notice 's accusations about my motives re: Benicar and Lyme are still here), nor do I want to throw my hands up and shut the list down altogether. I think we can help people here, but not by fighting with each other. Look, I'm going to be really honest here, if it comes down to a choice between 1. exhaustive, non-productive emotional battles while fending off personal accusations, and 2. shutting the list down, I will shut it down. Because, 1. my energy is too precious to waste in this manner (my purpose in life is not to moderate a bickering list), and, 2. It's not helpful to our cause or our helath, --a huge distraction from figuring out how to get well. And, 3. Why put myself at legal risk AGAIN for THIS? If (or anyone), doesn't like the conditions for participation on this list and wants to start another list, that's great. I never really planned to start up another list after handing over the reins of the old list anyway, but when the first one was shut down, I did it because the closing of the first list left a gaping hole for people who really got a lot out of it. The plan was that it would be temporary while someone else would create a less vulnerable alternative, but that never really materialized, presumably because somehow, people get really attached to lists. I & I (both 1 & 2) has been a unique list. No bickering, no emotional stuff. If it's going to turn into something else, then really, I have no interest in being responsible for adding one more bickering list to the thousands out there that already exist. And again, I emphasize, has NOT been permanently banned. This is a temporary suspension. He knows that he can come back any time he wants, the only condition is that he not make personal accusations toward anyone. If he wants to continue to criticize me back channel, that's fine, but I won't allow the tone of this list to go from objective discussion, to petty bickering over personal issues and triggers. Remember, this list was never designed to be an emotional venting room, nor a support room. We can disagree all we want as long as personal accusations are not made. I really don't think a lot of people see how frequently situations like these become " personal " . A person doesn't like what someone says, so they have an emotional reaction and attack the person, rather than disputing what was said. Even in people's responses to this temporary suspension, all kinds of projections have been made based only on personal perceptions, not on any real understanding of what's going on. I've learned from hard experience that our perceptions are almost always faulty to some degree. Best to stick to information, our own experience, and try not to interpret other people's motives when disagreeing with them if we want this list to make any kind of real contribution to overcoming our disease. And that's my only goal for this list. Again, can come back when he wants to. But the personal accusations and attacks can not come back with him (or anyone else). And that's the last I want to say on the matter. I appreciate everyone's input, both here and back channel. Let's PLEASE try to move forward, and when 's ready to live with the terms of participation, he'll come back. penny > Dear Penny, Dear , > > I wish I knew what to say to make things better. You have no idea how > sad it makes me to see my war buddies at odds with each other. I care > about both of you and need both of you--your ideas, your humor, your > research, your encouragement. > > Who started it? I have an opinion, but I'm not saying. Who said or > did the worst thing? I have an opinion, but I'm not saying. > > How to end it? I have an opinion, and here it is. You should both > post anything you want to--starting immediately--and neither of you > should read the other's posts. Just skip over them, until we can all > work together again. We have a history that's too valuable to throw > away. > > Sue , > Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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