RE: Re: Symptoms worse Barb ,

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Here in the UK most farmers completely ignore guidelines on the amounts of abx given as growth enhancers ...they give massive amounts of abx;'s to promote growth & with intensive rearing methods to prevent infection ..The practice has even spread to the rearing of game birds ...The farmers/ gamekeepers talk openly of how the flout the rules ..it' s accepted practice ...how that affects those who eat the end product is anyone's guess ...

Good luck with Sporinox [itroconazole ] , but you have it wrong on your assumption that it stays in the gut ..it's very much a systemic drug ...I'll just tell the story of my last flare cycle ...I had the full Monty of symptoms aching joints vertigo , headaches .a feeling of intense pressure, neck ache , unable to concentrate ..you name it ...these symptoms came on over two days ...don't know if its a coincidence but at the time I learn that the moon & sun were in alignment... At the peak of my symptoms I took one Tab of Terbinafine [Lamisil] the effect was dramatic ...there's no doubt that the drug was working against CWD bacteria .....As a duel drug it could be a very big gun in treating our infection....

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of SchaafsmaSent: 09 May 2005 18:19infections Subject: [infections] Re: Symptoms worse after eating chicken???

I can't remember the gist of it but know that 60 minutes has reported on unacceptably high levels of contamination in US poultry.I have noticed that chicken purchased raw disagrees with me, no matter how Bob cooks it. But I do fine with dairy and red meat, which seems a bit perverse but there you have it.It seems like any microganisms in chicken would be highly resistant to antimicrobials. Since my problem appears to be mostly with chicken that is purchased raw, and I haven't been bothered by chicken broth, I have to think that either the drugs or the organisms they are meant to contain may be involved.Although I can say that the very idea of chicken meat repulses me. Is it a nutrient thing? I don't know what it would be. I can tolerate dairy quite well, and fish too, though I avoid them now because of pollution.I don't eat large amounts of anything, but have wondered if the bugs are trying to encourage me to load up on fatty foods, high in the cholesterol they love.All I know for sure is that I am so sick already, if by avoiding a group of foods I can have less discomfort I will do that. I don't have sugar cravings, but do sometimes crave salt. Greens are becoming harder to digest, and my body seems very happy with rice and beans.As soon as MediCal approves it I'm going to try yet another antifungal to see if I can tolerate it any better. This time it will be sporanox, because it comes in capsules of time release pellets which allows you to titrate up to an effective dose, and is said to stay mostly within the gut.I think the old pain medication I was taking probably contributed as much to any yeast overgrowth as antibiotics. That stuff just sat in my lower GI tract, doing nothing for my pain and constipating the hell out of me. The new pain med is metabolized earlier on, so my GI tract has been going through withdrawl, but I haven't had any more pain elsewhere.Maybe between the change in pain meds, a break in antibiotics pre-Rocephin, and frequent doses of milk thistle for my liver I'll actually be able to complete a round of 'azole' treatment. Will be interesting to see if that changes my response to specific foods.I would still like to be able to try sustained fluconazole at some point. Right now though I am still trying to get my pain level down. I can't tolerate any more discomfort, of any kind, whatsoever (lol, famous last words!)Sorry for blathering, but I do think there could be an issue with poultry.> I did a little research and found that ABX do survive under certain > circumstances. An animal must not be slaughtered for a certain > amount of days after they are given ABX. It depends on who you talk > to, some say that 99.3% of poultry is ABX free. Others believe that > the incidence of residual ABX may be 2000x higher.> > Here is a short aritcle:> > Q & A: Drugs in poultry> > > > The Soil Association has raised concerns about the level of drug > residues in chicken and eggs. > BBC News Online looks at what the drugs are used for and how they > might get into our food. > > What drugs are used in poultry farming? > > A range of drugs - mainly antibiotics and anti-parasitic treatments -> are used routinely in intensive poultry farming. They are given to > the birds in their feed or water. > > The Soil Association says it is most concerned about drugs used to > control intestinal parasites in poultry and game birds. > > These include nicarbazin, lasalocid and dimetridazole. Nicarbazin > and lasalocid, both used to treat a parasitic infection known as > coccidiosis, are given in feed. > > Dimetridazole is another anti-parasitic drug, given to birds in > their water. > > How might these drugs get into human food? > > The drugs are given to poultry in the first three weeks of life but > must be withdrawn before the birds are sent to slaughter or before > they lay eggs. > > Most drugs must be stopped for eight days before the animal's meat > or eggs enter the human food chain. > > This should stop any traces of medicine, which might remain in the > animal's body, from getting into human food. > > The Veterinary Medicines Directorate (MVD), an executive agency of > Maff, is responsible for monitoring for the presence of residues in > meat and eggs. > > According to the VMD, in 1999, 8,063 poultry samples were tested for > all likely contaminants. Of these 99.3% were "free of detectable > residues". > > > > Eggs are monitored for traces of medicines> > But the Soil Association disputes these figures. > > "Government regulators have routinely provided misleading > information in their public statements about the incidence of drug > residues in chicken meat and eggs," says a new Soil Association > report. > > "They maintain that 99% of poultry meat and 97% of eggs are free of > detectable residues. However, detailed analysis of the data on which > their summaries are based suggests the actual levels could be up to > 2,000% higher." > > But Alastair ston of the British Veterinary Poultry Association > (BVPA) says the UK is doing its best to minimise the use of anti-> parasitic and antibiotic drugs. > > He told BBC News Online: "As long as we aim to obey the withdrawal > periods and maintain the standard of regulation concerning poultry > drugs and antibiotics in the UK, then I think the poultry and eggs > in the UK are the safest in the world." > > Why are the drugs needed? > > The Soil Association says that the use of such drugs "has its roots > in intensive farming methods". > > The report continues: "In this case, the specific problems are the > unnatural feeding practices and unsanitary, overcrowded, moist, > dark, confined conditions in which large numbers of chickens are > kept - conditions under which most would undoubtedly perish without > drugs to keep them alive until slaughter." > > But Alastair ston, of the BVPA, says the health and welfare of > birds would deteriorate if anti-parasitic and antibiotic products > were not used, even in free-range conditions. > > "You would use less of these products with free range chickens," he > told BBC News Online. "But you would still need to use them to > control disease." > > "And would the public accept the consequence in terms of cost in the > supermarket?" he adds.