Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 According to this HA is the problem for fms number 2 ( i'm not so sure ) :- http://www.FibroFix.com/DISCOVERIES.html :- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > >> > > here...Lamisil > >> > > > works > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different mode > >> of > >> > > > action than > >> > > > > Fluconazole ...Will someone else try the drug to confirm my > >> > > > experiences .. > >> > > > > what about it? ... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > >> > > ID=6431 > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Simply put, inflammation releases many enzymes, and one is hyaluronidase, which deteriorates hyaluronic acid (HA). This is why those of us with A-CIDs often have dry skin, joints, eyes...etc. HA is a highly water soluble mucopolysaccharide that attracts water and acts as a lubricant for joints, muscles, nerves, mucous membranes, eyes, skin...etc. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > >> > > here...Lamisil > >> > > > works > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different mode > >> of > >> > > > action than > >> > > > > Fluconazole ...Will someone else try the drug to confirm my > >> > > > experiences .. > >> > > > > what about it? ... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > >> > > ID=6431 > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Inflammation is the disease...reduction/degradation of HA is simply one of the effects of chronic inflammation. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > > >> > > here...Lamisil > > >> > > > works > > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different mode > > >> of > > >> > > > action than > > >> > > > > Fluconazole ...Will someone else try the drug to confirm my > > >> > > > experiences .. > > >> > > > > what about it? ... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > > >> > > ID=6431 > > >> > > > > -- > > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: > > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I left this group for a while as I found myself very frustrated at Penny's--what seemed to me--attacks on hyperbaric which has helped me and others I know so much. It didn't seem worth the agony of arguing for such a helpful modality against a list moderator who was I felt shrill in denouncing it for all kinds of reasons including that she had trouble operating a home chamber. I see there have been other brou ha ha's in my absence. This group has some very smart people. But is it arriving at any good new information to help people? In any case, mentioned some posts on complement so I went to read it last night. And I see my interview w/ Schardt posted here. I must say it IS interesting, the idea that antifungals may also be antibacterial... In any case, I did that interview with Schardt mainly because he wanted to meet with me, and in fact just heard from him that he is very pleased with the interview. This man has a protocol and it seems to be working. I still find it HIGHLY ALARMING, yes, HIGHLY ALARMING, that a veterinarian is posting the kind of stuff I see below. He may be intelligent but he is a veterinarian. What is this " we " stuff, as if he is actually involved in clinical trials of diflucan? And why adapt a successful protocol without even inquiring of the original doctor who thought this up, what he thinks and why he thinks it? He didn't even know anybody was adapting his protocol and yet the postings almost seem to hijack his protocol with authority, bending it to a different approach--9 months, higher doses, add in the cyclines etc. At the very least, I feel, respect the medical doctor, university associated, who thought this up and figured out a possible mechanism. I think the reasoning is backward and has to do with an attachment to the Marshall protocol which recommended low dose cyclines. Also, Schardt didn't even know about this adaptation of his protocol. I'm not sure he would mind, he just feels happy to be healthy and helping others and get the word out. He's a very nice guy. Those are my 2 cents. I just have to say that overall I am perturbed about the posting below (the original part of this posting). > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > > >> > > here...Lamisil > > >> > > > works > > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different > mode > > >> of > > >> > > > action than > > >> > > > > Fluconazole ...Will someone else try the drug to > confirm my > > >> > > > experiences .. > > >> > > > > what about it? ... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > > >> > > ID=6431 > > >> > > > > -- > > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release > Date: > > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Jill, I read your interview with Schart and was very glad to read it as I’m taking Diflucan. I’m not sure I understand your alarming reaction to a Veterinarian involving himself in these discussions and discussing the Diflucan study. I don’t know if you understand their scientific background, but is probably one of the more qualified participants go, at least from a scientific background perspective. He is working with an ID who has had conversations with Schart & yes, they are tweaking the therapy in response to the type of reaction the patients are having. Even Schart has done that & that’s how protocols are developed. You state….”he may be intelligent, but he’s a veterinarian.” Why is this so offensive to you? Are you an MD? The standards for getting into Vet school are typically higher than Med. school. Their curriculum is often even more grueling & they are studying the same science. I know that my ID Dr. is happy to have his contributions as he is a specialist in immunology. They are co-collaborating & I believe is working w/some other doctors closer to home. I would think that you would be jumping for joy that someone is taking the Schart theory seriously & giving it a try. It’s a lot less risky than MP & the results thus far are impressive. Patrice From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of jill1313 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:38 AM infections Subject: [infections] Re: Re Hyaluronic Acid I left this group for a while as I found myself very frustrated at Penny's--what seemed to me--attacks on hyperbaric which has helped me and others I know so much. It didn't seem worth the agony of arguing for such a helpful modality against a list moderator who was I felt shrill in denouncing it for all kinds of reasons including that she had trouble operating a home chamber. I see there have been other brou ha ha's in my absence. This group has some very smart people. But is it arriving at any good new information to help people? In any case, mentioned some posts on complement so I went to read it last night. And I see my interview w/ Schardt posted here. I must say it IS interesting, the idea that antifungals may also be antibacterial... In any case, I did that interview with Schardt mainly because he wanted to meet with me, and in fact just heard from him that he is very pleased with the interview. This man has a protocol and it seems to be working. I still find it HIGHLY ALARMING, yes, HIGHLY ALARMING, that a veterinarian is posting the kind of stuff I see below. He may be intelligent but he is a veterinarian. What is this " we " stuff, as if he is actually involved in clinical trials of diflucan? And why adapt a successful protocol without even inquiring of the original doctor who thought this up, what he thinks and why he thinks it? He didn't even know anybody was adapting his protocol and yet the postings almost seem to hijack his protocol with authority, bending it to a different approach--9 months, higher doses, add in the cyclines etc. At the very least, I feel, respect the medical doctor, university associated, who thought this up and figured out a possible mechanism. I think the reasoning is backward and has to do with an attachment to the Marshall protocol which recommended low dose cyclines. Also, Schardt didn't even know about this adaptation of his protocol. I'm not sure he would mind, he just feels happy to be healthy and helping others and get the word out. He's a very nice guy. Those are my 2 cents. I just have to say that overall I am perturbed about the posting below (the original part of this posting). > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > > >> > > here...Lamisil > > >> > > > works > > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different > mode > > >> of > > >> > > > action than > > >> > > > > Fluconazole ....Will someone else try the drug to > confirm my > > >> > > > experiences .. > > >> > > > > what about it? ... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > > >> > > ID=6431 > > >> > > > > -- > > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release > Date: > > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Jill: Then you didn't read on to see that I think oral HA is a crock. Unless someone can show me some data that oral HA is absorbed at all- - regardless of molecular weight. Jill: Yes we have differing opinions on this list. And Yes, sometimes our bedside manner offends. I'm sorry you're pertubed at the list, and that is posting on a therapy that's working - that you somehow insinuate it's becuase it beacuse he was connected to Marshal in the past (I didn't quite get what you were driving at there). And since we are all mostly outside of the box with alternative therapies - no offense meant - and correct me if I'm wong..aren't you the Jill that bought a goat to drink the cholestrum? and/or to infect the goat with Lyme for her antibodies? Yah we had some bru ha ha's in the recent past- - but personally I'd MUCH rather have strong personalities.. albet them not perfect - using their brains and discussing, and yes arguing - than just floating along with the tide, or doing a therapy on 'faith'... Or worried what credentials some one has. Incidentially, most of the Vets I know are better diagnosticians than human MDs. Barb > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > > > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > > > >> > > here...Lamisil > > > >> > > > works > > > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different > > mode > > > >> of > > > >> > > > action than > > > >> > > > > Fluconazole ...Will someone else try the drug to > > confirm my > > > >> > > > experiences .. > > > >> > > > > what about it? ... > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > > > >> > > ID=6431 > > > >> > > > > -- > > > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release > > Date: > > > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Patrice, Thanks for clarifying. Jill, you need to learn to keep your personal dislikes seperate from the facts. You can dispute what says, but may not attack him as a person if you want to participate on this list. FYI, not only has a degree in veterinarian medicine (a very rigorous discipline) and works in a research facility; he also has completed everything but his dissertaion for a PhD in immunology and works closely with a number of doctors. I think it's safe to say that his opinion is as worthwhile here as anyone else's. and I disagree frequently, but I don't attack his motives or his credentials just because I don't agree with him. If you're going to make statements like this (in places other than this list because they're not allowed here - not to mention, they're completely unprofessional), you'd better be able to back them up. The last I & I list was shut down, and I found myself in court over things said in a private email, that were not nearly as pointed or personal as some of the things you've been saying recently. The list rule is NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. No exceptions. penny > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > A New Approach to Chronic Lyme Disease > > > >> > > > > I think there's more afoot than what's suspected > > > >> > > here...Lamisil > > > >> > > > works > > > >> > > > > against CWD bacteria ...it has a completely different > > mode > > > >> of > > > >> > > > action than > > > >> > > > > Fluconazole ...Will someone else try the drug to > > confirm my > > > >> > > > experiences .. > > > >> > > > > what about it? ... > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/bulletinarticle.cfm? > > > >> > > ID=6431 > > > >> > > > > -- > > > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > >> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > >> > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release > > Date: > > > >> > > > 09/05/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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