Re: flagyl/tini users - how long till any adverse effects come up?

[Guest guest]

I started Stratton and got as close as possible,for

now to following his guide lines. Doxy 100mg twice

daily,Metronidazole 800 mg split into 4 doses, 200mg

every 6 hr, mostly with food. Works great no herxs, no

upset stomach,I read 600mg to 2400mg is the

recommended dose, so I may up it later. Also niacin,

b vitamins and last, just for insurance 200mg of

fluconazole. This is my 32 straight day, I feel much

stronger. I plan to go at least 3 or 4 months. I

checked and there are no enteractions between any drug

I am taking. I have made up my mind to go in any

direction that works for me. Jimd

--- Hodologica <usenethod@...> wrote:

>

> I havent even decided yet - but have scheduled

> myself to start taking

> delicious calorie-free tinidazole on friday morning,

> at a full dose.

> With this class of drugs it seems there may be an

> especial difficulty

> discerning herx from self-flagylation. A little

> toxicity wont freak me

> out, but if I experience much I may want to back in

> and out of the

> drug once or twice to make sure the syndrome

> resolves in the way one

> would greatly desire such a syndrome to resolve. So

> - initiates who

> have had adverse effects that were probably

> non-herx, how fast did

> that start, and was that at a full-on dosing regime?

> If I herx it up

> hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

> experience as such.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

sounds like a kill all combo to me., How long have you been ill Jim?

Good luck

> I started Stratton and got as close as possible,for

> now to following his guide lines.  Doxy 100mg twice

> daily,Metronidazole 800 mg split into 4 doses, 200mg

> every 6 hr, mostly with food. Works great no herxs, no

> upset stomach,I read 600mg to 2400mg is the

> recommended dose, so I may up it later.  Also niacin,

> b vitamins and last, just for insurance 200mg of

> fluconazole.  This is my 32 straight day, I feel much

> stronger.  I plan to go at least 3 or 4 months.  I

> checked and there are no enteractions between any drug

> I am taking.  I have made up my mind to go in any

> direction that works for me.  Jimd

>

> --- Hodologica <usenethod@...> wrote:

> >

> > I havent even decided yet - but have scheduled

> > myself to start taking

> > delicious calorie-free tinidazole on friday morning,

> > at a full dose.

> > With this class of drugs it seems there may be an

> > especial difficulty

> > discerning herx from self-flagylation. A little

> > toxicity wont freak me

> > out, but if I experience much I may want to back in

> > and out of the

> > drug once or twice to make sure the syndrome

> > resolves in the way one

> > would greatly desire such a syndrome to resolve. So

> > - initiates who

> > have had adverse effects that were probably

> > non-herx, how fast did

> > that start, and was that at a full-on dosing regime?

> > If I herx it up

> > hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

> > experience as such.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

with me I could not breave through my nose during the night due to

exacerbated allergy

>

> I havent even decided yet - but have scheduled myself to start taking

> delicious calorie-free tinidazole on friday morning, at a full dose.

> With this class of drugs it seems there may be an especial difficulty

> discerning herx from self-flagylation. A little toxicity wont freak me

> out, but if I experience much I may want to back in and out of the

> drug once or twice to make sure the syndrome resolves in the way one

> would greatly desire such a syndrome to resolve. So - initiates who

> have had adverse effects that were probably non-herx, how fast did

> that start, and was that at a full-on dosing regime? If I herx it up

> hopefully I will be able to recognize what I experience as such.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

" So - initiates who have had adverse effects that were probably non-

herx, how fast did that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

regime? If I herx it up hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

experience as such. "

Hi ,

I'm one of the quiet ones. Recent WB tested positive for Lyme which

may be additional to or the cause of RA (which I've had for 14 years.

I was on Minocin 100 MWF for 2 1/2 years and was unable to increase

above that due to increased inflamation and other symptoms. A week

and a half ago I started Ketek 250 BID with minimal problems. This

last Sunday I started Tini at 1/2 of a 250 mg cap (Doc has ordered

500 mg BID). The reason for this timid approach is that a year ago I

tried Flagyl and after the 2nd 250 mg dose, had a horrible flare that

lasted a couple of months (I took no more). I am now on my 2nd day of

250 mg/day (1/4 of what doc ordered).

I've struggling with your question of 'herx' vs 'adverse effects'

with my experience of Minocin and Flagyl and now Tini. My experience

in this past 4 days is that of increased inflamation (the kind that

can be dealt with), a terrible headache (that is presently relieved),

pain under my diaphragm (?unhappy liver), night sweats,

urgency/nocturia, very disturbed sleep (maybe got 3 hours interrupted

last night compared to 7), some anxiety, nausea.

I realize how new to this I am but thought that a herx would be

evident after several days on Tini? maybe this is due to toxicity?

I would love to understand this also,

Robyn

PS I've enjoyed your input here immensely.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

" So - initiates who have had adverse effects that were probably non-

herx, how fast did that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

regime? If I herx it up hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

experience as such. "

***

I took 10 days of 250mg X 3 a day generic Flagyl alone a couple weeks

ago and I have just completed ten days and am continuing for another

ten days. I am experiencing no adverse effects, but I am getting a

little herx in the form of a little more pain and stiffness but not

unbearable. Doxy was much worse in the herx dept. For me, the benefits

far outweigh anything I have felt (so far). I did learn the first time

around that it had to be a particular brand or it only worked

minimally.

Cheers,

*S*

[Guest guest]

Robin are you doing high doses of B12 as per Stratton and Weldon

suggests?

> wrote:

>

> " So - initiates who have had adverse effects that were probably non-

> herx, how fast did that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

> regime? If I herx it up hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

> experience as such. "

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'm one of the quiet ones. Recent WB tested positive for Lyme which

> may be additional to or the cause of RA (which I've had for 14 years.

>

> I was on Minocin 100 MWF for 2 1/2 years and was unable to increase

> above that due to increased inflamation and other symptoms. A week

> and a half ago I started Ketek 250 BID with minimal problems. This

> last Sunday I started Tini at 1/2 of a 250 mg cap (Doc has ordered

> 500 mg BID). The reason for this timid approach is that a year ago I

> tried Flagyl and after the 2nd 250 mg dose, had a horrible flare that

> lasted a couple of months (I took no more). I am now on my 2nd day of

> 250 mg/day (1/4 of what doc ordered).

>

> I've struggling with your question of 'herx' vs 'adverse effects'

> with my experience of Minocin and Flagyl and now Tini. My experience

> in this past 4 days is that of increased inflamation (the kind that

> can be dealt with), a terrible headache (that is presently relieved),

> pain under my diaphragm (?unhappy liver), night sweats,

> urgency/nocturia, very disturbed sleep (maybe got 3 hours interrupted

> last night compared to 7), some anxiety, nausea.

>

> I realize how new to this I am but thought that a herx would be

> evident after several days on Tini? maybe this is due to toxicity?

>

> I would love to understand this also,

> Robyn

>

> PS I've enjoyed your input here immensely.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what brand?

> wrote:

> " So - initiates who have had adverse effects that were probably non-

> herx, how fast did that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

> regime? If I herx it up hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

> experience as such. "

> ***

> I took 10 days of 250mg X 3 a day generic Flagyl alone a couple weeks

> ago and I have just completed ten days and am continuing for another

> ten days. I am experiencing no adverse effects, but I am getting a

> little herx in the form of a little more pain and stiffness but not

> unbearable. Doxy was much worse in the herx dept. For me, the benefits

> far outweigh anything I have felt (so far). I did learn the first time

> around that it had to be a particular brand or it only worked

> minimally.

> Cheers,

> *S*

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The pills are marked MP45 and the bottle says MUTUAL.

The one that Didn't Work are marked 5540 and the bottle says

Labs.

Cheers,

*S*

> > " So - initiates who have had adverse effects that were probably

non-

> > herx, how fast did that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

> > regime? If I herx it up hopefully I will be able to recognize

what I

> > experience as such. "

> > ***

> > I took 10 days of 250mg X 3 a day generic Flagyl alone a couple

weeks

> > ago and I have just completed ten days and am continuing for

another

> > ten days. I am experiencing no adverse effects, but I am

getting a

> > little herx in the form of a little more pain and stiffness but

not

> > unbearable. Doxy was much worse in the herx dept. For me, the

benefits

> > far outweigh anything I have felt (so far). I did learn the

first time

> > around that it had to be a particular brand or it only worked

> > minimally.

> > Cheers,

> > *S*

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

IMO, A true Herx does not go on for days and days and days.

So if the trend is downward day after day, and if you feel bad enough

to get into bed .. i.e. you can't function, then back off the dose

or stop and recover.

Lyme will still be there to fight another day when you fell better.

Barb

>

> " So - initiates who have had adverse effects that were probably non-

> herx, how fast did that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

> regime? If I herx it up hopefully I will be able to recognize what

I

> experience as such. "

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'm one of the quiet ones. Recent WB tested positive for Lyme which

> may be additional to or the cause of RA (which I've had for 14

years.

>

> I was on Minocin 100 MWF for 2 1/2 years and was unable to increase

> above that due to increased inflamation and other symptoms. A week

> and a half ago I started Ketek 250 BID with minimal problems. This

> last Sunday I started Tini at 1/2 of a 250 mg cap (Doc has ordered

> 500 mg BID). The reason for this timid approach is that a year ago

I

> tried Flagyl and after the 2nd 250 mg dose, had a horrible flare

that

> lasted a couple of months (I took no more). I am now on my 2nd day

of

> 250 mg/day (1/4 of what doc ordered).

>

> I've struggling with your question of 'herx' vs 'adverse effects'

> with my experience of Minocin and Flagyl and now Tini. My

experience

> in this past 4 days is that of increased inflamation (the kind that

> can be dealt with), a terrible headache (that is presently

relieved),

> pain under my diaphragm (?unhappy liver), night sweats,

> urgency/nocturia, very disturbed sleep (maybe got 3 hours

interrupted

> last night compared to 7), some anxiety, nausea.

>

> I realize how new to this I am but thought that a herx would be

> evident after several days on Tini? maybe this is due to toxicity?

>

> I would love to understand this also,

> Robyn

>

> PS I've enjoyed your input here immensely.

[Guest guest]

My doctor is pretty much a wait till its broke, then

fix it. He is very good,been with him for about 30

years. But I wanted to try this to see if it will make

a difference. I have been going down hill for about 2

years, and during that time I have taken lots of Doxy,

so I may have already killed lots of bugs. Reason for

little or no herxs. This may a over the top approach,

my doctor thinks so, but I just want to get ahead of

this disease. Jimd

--- Colourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote:

> sounds like a kill all combo to me., How long have

> you been ill Jim?

>

> Good luck

>

> > I started Stratton and got as close as

> possible,for

> > now to following his guide lines. Doxy 100mg

> twice

> > daily,Metronidazole 800 mg split into 4 doses,

> 200mg

> > every 6 hr, mostly with food. Works great no

> herxs, no

> > upset stomach,I read 600mg to 2400mg is the

> > recommended dose, so I may up it later. Also

> niacin,

> > b vitamins and last, just for insurance 200mg of

> > fluconazole. This is my 32 straight day, I feel

> much

> > stronger. I plan to go at least 3 or 4 months.

> I

> > checked and there are no enteractions between any

> drug

> > I am taking. I have made up my mind to go in any

> > direction that works for me. Jimd

> >

> > --- Hodologica <usenethod@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I havent even decided yet - but have scheduled

> > > myself to start taking

> > > delicious calorie-free tinidazole on friday

> morning,

> > > at a full dose.

> > > With this class of drugs it seems there may be

> an

> > > especial difficulty

> > > discerning herx from self-flagylation. A little

> > > toxicity wont freak me

> > > out, but if I experience much I may want to

> back in

> > > and out of the

> > > drug once or twice to make sure the syndrome

> > > resolves in the way one

> > > would greatly desire such a syndrome to

> resolve. So

> > > - initiates who

> > > have had adverse effects that were probably

> > > non-herx, how fast did

> > > that start, and was that at a full-on dosing

> regime?

> > > If I herx it up

> > > hopefully I will be able to recognize what I

> > > experience as such.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> __________________________________________________

> >