Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 I've always had this wacko theory that perhaps one of the sources of ciguatera that is supposedly so prevalent in PWC's may be from the fish meal that is fed to most chickens. I doubt they're serving them caviar, let alone " Fancy Feast " . I know it's really expensive, but I buy a free-range chicken breast, and stretch it into three meals (with added rice and beans)... d. > > > > I did a little research and found that ABX do survive under > > > certain > > > > circumstances. An animal must not be slaughtered for a certain > > > > amount of days after they are given ABX. It depends on who you > > > talk > > > > to, some say that 99.3% of poultry is ABX free. Others believe > > > that > > > > the incidence of residual ABX may be 2000x higher. > > > > > > > > Here is a short aritcle: > > > > > > > > Q & A: Drugs in poultry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Soil Association has raised concerns about the level of > drug > > > > residues in chicken and eggs. > > > > BBC News Online looks at what the drugs are used for and how > > they > > > > might get into our food. > > > > > > > > What drugs are used in poultry farming? > > > > > > > > A range of drugs - mainly antibiotics and anti-parasitic > > > treatments - > > > > are used routinely in intensive poultry farming. They are > given > > > to > > > > the birds in their feed or water. > > > > > > > > The Soil Association says it is most concerned about drugs > used > > to > > > > control intestinal parasites in poultry and game birds. > > > > > > > > These include nicarbazin, lasalocid and dimetridazole. > > Nicarbazin > > > > and lasalocid, both used to treat a parasitic infection known > as > > > > coccidiosis, are given in feed. > > > > > > > > Dimetridazole is another anti-parasitic drug, given to birds > in > > > > their water. > > > > > > > > How might these drugs get into human food? > > > > > > > > The drugs are given to poultry in the first three weeks of > life > > > but > > > > must be withdrawn before the birds are sent to slaughter or > > before > > > > they lay eggs. > > > > > > > > Most drugs must be stopped for eight days before the animal's > > meat > > > > or eggs enter the human food chain. > > > > > > > > This should stop any traces of medicine, which might remain in > > the > > > > animal's body, from getting into human food. > > > > > > > > The Veterinary Medicines Directorate (MVD), an executive > agency > > of > > > > Maff, is responsible for monitoring for the presence of > residues > > > in > > > > meat and eggs. > > > > > > > > According to the VMD, in 1999, 8,063 poultry samples were > tested > > > for > > > > all likely contaminants. Of these 99.3% were " free of > detectable > > > > residues " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eggs are monitored for traces of medicines > > > > > > > > But the Soil Association disputes these figures. > > > > > > > > " Government regulators have routinely provided misleading > > > > information in their public statements about the incidence of > > drug > > > > residues in chicken meat and eggs, " says a new Soil > Association > > > > report. > > > > > > > > " They maintain that 99% of poultry meat and 97% of eggs are > free > > > of > > > > detectable residues. However, detailed analysis of the data on > > > which > > > > their summaries are based suggests the actual levels could be > up > > > to > > > > 2,000% higher. " > > > > > > > > But Alastair ston of the British Veterinary Poultry > > > Association > > > > (BVPA) says the UK is doing its best to minimise the use of > anti- > > > > parasitic and antibiotic drugs. > > > > > > > > He told BBC News Online: " As long as we aim to obey the > > withdrawal > > > > periods and maintain the standard of regulation concerning > > poultry > > > > drugs and antibiotics in the UK, then I think the poultry and > > eggs > > > > in the UK are the safest in the world. " > > > > > > > > Why are the drugs needed? > > > > > > > > The Soil Association says that the use of such drugs " has its > > > roots > > > > in intensive farming methods " . > > > > > > > > The report continues: " In this case, the specific problems are > > the > > > > unnatural feeding practices and unsanitary, overcrowded, > moist, > > > > dark, confined conditions in which large numbers of chickens > are > > > > kept - conditions under which most would undoubtedly perish > > > without > > > > drugs to keep them alive until slaughter. " > > > > > > > > But Alastair ston, of the BVPA, says the health and > welfare > > of > > > > birds would deteriorate if anti-parasitic and antibiotic > > products > > > > were not used, even in free-range conditions. > > > > > > > > " You would use less of these products with free range > chickens, " > > > he > > > > told BBC News Online. " But you would still need to use them to > > > > control disease. " > > > > > > > > " And would the public accept the consequence in terms of cost > in > > > the > > > > supermarket? " he adds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 We do the same Dan, much the safest thing to do it I think. I once went round a chicken battery barn and they are kept in poor conditions and fed a load of gunk plus ABX, so for our sakes and the chickens we try to eat organic chickens and eat less to help lower the price. BW, Sheila Monday, May 9, 2005, 10:55:38 PM, you wrote: k> I've always had this wacko theory that perhaps one of the k> sources of ciguatera that is supposedly so prevalent in PWC's k> may be from the fish meal that is fed to most chickens. I doubt k> they're serving them caviar, let alone " Fancy Feast " . k> I know it's really expensive, but I buy a free-range chicken breast, k> and stretch it into three meals (with added rice and beans)... k> d. k> >> > > > I did a little research and found that ABX do survive under >> > > certain >> > > > circumstances. An animal must not be slaughtered for a k> certain >> > > > amount of days after they are given ABX. It depends on k> who you >> > > talk >> > > > to, some say that 99.3% of poultry is ABX free. Others k> believe >> > > that >> > > > the incidence of residual ABX may be 2000x higher. >> > > > >> > > > Here is a short aritcle: >> > > > >> > > > Q & A: Drugs in poultry >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The Soil Association has raised concerns about the level k> of >> drug >> > > > residues in chicken and eggs. >> > > > BBC News Online looks at what the drugs are used for k> and how >> > they >> > > > might get into our food. >> > > > >> > > > What drugs are used in poultry farming? >> > > > >> > > > A range of drugs - mainly antibiotics and anti-parasitic >> > > treatments - >> > > > are used routinely in intensive poultry farming. They are >> given >> > > to >> > > > the birds in their feed or water. >> > > > >> > > > The Soil Association says it is most concerned about k> drugs >> used >> > to >> > > > control intestinal parasites in poultry and game birds. >> > > > >> > > > These include nicarbazin, lasalocid and dimetridazole. >> > Nicarbazin >> > > > and lasalocid, both used to treat a parasitic infection k> known >> as >> > > > coccidiosis, are given in feed. >> > > > >> > > > Dimetridazole is another anti-parasitic drug, given to k> birds >> in >> > > > their water. >> > > > >> > > > How might these drugs get into human food? >> > > > >> > > > The drugs are given to poultry in the first three weeks of >> life >> > > but >> > > > must be withdrawn before the birds are sent to slaughter k> or >> > before >> > > > they lay eggs. >> > > > >> > > > Most drugs must be stopped for eight days before the k> animal's >> > meat >> > > > or eggs enter the human food chain. >> > > > >> > > > This should stop any traces of medicine, which might k> remain in >> > the >> > > > animal's body, from getting into human food. >> > > > >> > > > The Veterinary Medicines Directorate (MVD), an executive >> agency >> > of >> > > > Maff, is responsible for monitoring for the presence of >> residues >> > > in >> > > > meat and eggs. >> > > > >> > > > According to the VMD, in 1999, 8,063 poultry samples k> were >> tested >> > > for >> > > > all likely contaminants. Of these 99.3% were " free of >> detectable >> > > > residues " . >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Eggs are monitored for traces of medicines >> > > > >> > > > But the Soil Association disputes these figures. >> > > > >> > > > " Government regulators have routinely provided k> misleading >> > > > information in their public statements about the incidence k> of >> > drug >> > > > residues in chicken meat and eggs, " says a new Soil >> Association >> > > > report. >> > > > >> > > > " They maintain that 99% of poultry meat and 97% of eggs k> are >> free >> > > of >> > > > detectable residues. However, detailed analysis of the k> data on >> > > which >> > > > their summaries are based suggests the actual levels k> could be >> up >> > > to >> > > > 2,000% higher. " >> > > > >> > > > But Alastair ston of the British Veterinary Poultry >> > > Association >> > > > (BVPA) says the UK is doing its best to minimise the use k> of >> anti- >> > > > parasitic and antibiotic drugs. >> > > > >> > > > He told BBC News Online: " As long as we aim to obey k> the >> > withdrawal >> > > > periods and maintain the standard of regulation k> concerning >> > poultry >> > > > drugs and antibiotics in the UK, then I think the poultry k> and >> > eggs >> > > > in the UK are the safest in the world. " >> > > > >> > > > Why are the drugs needed? >> > > > >> > > > The Soil Association says that the use of such drugs k> " has its >> > > roots >> > > > in intensive farming methods " . >> > > > >> > > > The report continues: " In this case, the specific problems k> are >> > the >> > > > unnatural feeding practices and unsanitary, overcrowded, >> moist, >> > > > dark, confined conditions in which large numbers of k> chickens >> are >> > > > kept - conditions under which most would undoubtedly k> perish >> > > without >> > > > drugs to keep them alive until slaughter. " >> > > > >> > > > But Alastair ston, of the BVPA, says the health and >> welfare >> > of >> > > > birds would deteriorate if anti-parasitic and antibiotic >> > products >> > > > were not used, even in free-range conditions. >> > > > >> > > > " You would use less of these products with free range >> chickens, " >> > > he >> > > > told BBC News Online. " But you would still need to use k> them to >> > > > control disease. " >> > > > >> > > > " And would the public accept the consequence in terms k> of cost >> in >> > > the >> > > > supermarket? " he adds. k> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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