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points and discussion. Fascinating as always! This group (like)

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> > > --- In infections ,

" kdrbrill "

> > > <kdrbrill@y...> wrote [iN PART:

> > >

> > > > And finally:

> > > >

> > > > " Bacteriologist, Dr. Lida Mattman, states " I'm convinced

Lyme

> > > > disease is transmissable from person to person " . In

1995 Dr.

> > > > Mattman obtained positive cultures for Bb from 43 of 47

> persons

> > > > with chronic illness. Only 1 of 23 control patients had a

> > positive

> > > > Bb culture. Dr. Mattman has subsequently recovered Bb

> > > > spirochetes from 8 out of 8 cases of Parkinson's

Disease, 41

> > > > cases of multiple sclerosis, 21 cases of amyotrophic

lateral

> > > > sclerosis and all tested cases of Alzheimer's Disease.

The

> > > > complete recovery of several patients with terminal

> amyotrophic

> > > > lateral sclerosis after appropriate therapy shows the

great

> > > > importance of establishing the diagnosis of Lyme

Disease. "

> > > >

> > >

> > > I have to say, as an experimental scientist, that I am

> INCREDIBLY

> > > skeptical at this point about Bb person-to-person

transmission.

> > > I've seen these data before as well as the myriad anecdotal

> reports

> > > of family members all having Lyme, etc. The thing that is

NEVER

> > > controlled for is the fact that these people LIVE IN THE

SAME

> PLACE

> > > thereby all exposed to the same environment/ticks. You

don't

> need

> > > person-to-person transmission to explain an entire family

being

> > > infected with Bb if they all live in the same place. It's not

> that

> > > I don't think its possible, but I don't think it's probable and

> the

> > > data simply don't exist to support such transmission at this

> point.

> > >

> > > Now as for the data that Mattman found Bb in all these

various

> > > diseases. Possible, maybe, but the question is how is the

Bb

> > > measured? Nearly everone has trouble culturing the bug,

PCR is

> > > about 45% sensitive, etc. So how is Mattman ascertaining

that

> all

> > > these people are infected? Bowen-type test? Sorry, I'm not

> taking

> > > that as definitive data at this point. Moreover, there are 2 or

> 3

> > > papers in the literature on Alzheimer's and Bb infection --

one

> > > found Bb in some of the patients' and the other found in in

NONE

> of

> > > the patients. At this point, I think the data support that

SOME

> > > cases of ALS, MS, Parkinson's, etc. are actually Bb

infections,

> but

> > > I think it is much too early to say that all cases of these

> > diseases

> > > are in fact due to Bb infections... I don't think the answer is

> > > going to be that " easy. "