Re: dura - person to person Bb transmission

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So what IS the nitty-gritty of methods? I know that Bowen labs says

they've based their methods on Mattman's, and she's confirmed their

results, but I would think given the huge public health consequences

of her claims she would be documenting the method and pushing it at

investigators...is she?

She could be reporting accurately, and if she is it would be a

catastrophe to let her methods disappear from the world when she

moves on, which at her age could be any time.

> > --- In infections , " kdrbrill "

> > <kdrbrill@y...> wrote [iN PART:

> >

> > > And finally:

> > >

> > > " Bacteriologist, Dr. Lida Mattman, states " I'm convinced Lyme

> > > disease is transmissable from person to person " . In 1995 Dr.

> > > Mattman obtained positive cultures for Bb from 43 of 47

persons

> > > with chronic illness. Only 1 of 23 control patients had a

> positive

> > > Bb culture. Dr. Mattman has subsequently recovered Bb

> > > spirochetes from 8 out of 8 cases of Parkinson's Disease, 41

> > > cases of multiple sclerosis, 21 cases of amyotrophic lateral

> > > sclerosis and all tested cases of Alzheimer's Disease. The

> > > complete recovery of several patients with terminal

amyotrophic

> > > lateral sclerosis after appropriate therapy shows the great

> > > importance of establishing the diagnosis of Lyme Disease. "

> > >

> >

> > I have to say, as an experimental scientist, that I am

INCREDIBLY

> > skeptical at this point about Bb person-to-person transmission.

> > I've seen these data before as well as the myriad anecdotal

reports

> > of family members all having Lyme, etc. The thing that is NEVER

> > controlled for is the fact that these people LIVE IN THE SAME

PLACE

> > thereby all exposed to the same environment/ticks. You don't

need

> > person-to-person transmission to explain an entire family being

> > infected with Bb if they all live in the same place. It's not

that

> > I don't think its possible, but I don't think it's probable and

the

> > data simply don't exist to support such transmission at this

point.

> >

> > Now as for the data that Mattman found Bb in all these various

> > diseases. Possible, maybe, but the question is how is the Bb

> > measured? Nearly everone has trouble culturing the bug, PCR is

> > about 45% sensitive, etc. So how is Mattman ascertaining that

all

> > these people are infected? Bowen-type test? Sorry, I'm not

taking

> > that as definitive data at this point. Moreover, there are 2 or

3

> > papers in the literature on Alzheimer's and Bb infection -- one

> > found Bb in some of the patients' and the other found in in NONE

of

> > the patients. At this point, I think the data support that SOME

> > cases of ALS, MS, Parkinson's, etc. are actually Bb infections,

but

> > I think it is much too early to say that all cases of these

> diseases

> > are in fact due to Bb infections... I don't think the answer is

> > going to be that " easy. "