Re: P.S. on Lassesen and natto

[Guest guest]

Jelly

I did some reading up on natto recently and there have been

discussions on it too in which you and I have participated. It struck

me a little while ago that natto might be a good alternative to both

heparin and benicar. It's affects are more subtle which makes me feel

it is more suitable for the most severely and long term affected.

Very often initial treatments for infections, inflammation, and ISAc

are set at too high a level, so end up being counterproductive.

We should all have access to information on the known risks of any

agent we are taking whether they be pharmaceutical or alternative.

Like you I never accept what anyone says I should take or their

reason for doing so. I research any protocol or agent myself so I am

grateful to Ken, others, and yourself, for settin up web site making

the information I need easier to access. We often have to resort to

trial and error, but we should make even that as safe for each of us

as is possible.

Cheers, Tansy

>

> Kathleen,

>

> I have no idea who you are and I hope that you are well

intentioned,

> but I don't particularly have a problem with what Ken said about

> heparin. In fact his answer may have come from a question I had

> asked about heparin also lowering Angiotensin on another board. If

> there is a danger in people with low adrenal function using heparin

> I think that they should know of that danger, but at the same time

> for the rest of us, I wouldn't want any to be needlessly scared

> away, thus my comment here.

>

> Combing Benicar and Heparin really might be dangerous because they

> both seem to work in very similar ways. I know that when I used

both

> I got to feeling really bad, but in a strange way that I had never

> experienced before. I also know of someone who was using both that

> ended up in the hospital appearing to have had a stroke and was not

> coherent for some time. Interestingly this person was given a

saline

> IV, and eventually came around. That is scarey and that is in part

> why I stopped using that particular protocol.

>

> Also in regards to heparin and bromelain.....bromelain IS a fairly

> good substitute for heparin. I do know of at least one person who

is

> using it with goodr results, slower but there is progress. I think

> though that most would agree now that NattoKinase and Lumbrokinase

> are far better then bromelain. My doctor who is generally right on

> the cutting edge is now recommending NattoK as a first defense, if

> that doesn't work that he moves on to the heparin.

>

> Things change, progress is thankfully made and personally I am not

> so sure that you always need some tests either.

>

> One last thing, I just today got a reply from Ken when I wanted to

> know, what else he had used to get well besides heparin. He said he

> had used " antibiotics " . Sure if there is a way to do this without

> ABX, then great, but I think that by the time most of have realized

> we are sick, we're already in over our heads. I've read Ken's

> website for years and while I don't agree with him on absolutley

> everything I'm sure, I see eye to eye with him on the majority of

> what he says. And besides I don't take ANYTHING new at someone's

> word, I don't care who they are, I research it myself for my own

> satisfaction. Hopefully you do too.

[Guest guest]

Tansy, Jelly and all,

I offer my own trial and error story with the products in question...

I had a horrible time with heparin, but I take nattokinase at bedtime

for hypercoagulation. The first two times I tried NattoK I ended with

yeast infections. A month of daily diflucan seems to have eradicated

that, and now I'm fine with the NattoK. Only my wallet suffers,

(anyone know a discount source of NattoK?).

I also did poorly on the MP, and now take Red Yeast Rice along with

the Natto. Ken Lassesen was the person who brought Red Yeast Rice to

my attention on the original I & I board. Thank You! Then I researched

it myself, something I know you guys are extremely proficient at.

I haven't had the hypercoagualation/Hemex studies run again, but my

I'm feeling a bit better and my blood runs more readily. At the end

of an IV now, my blood will pour into the tube. That didn't happen at

all prior to this regimen. Pre-nattok my blood would occasionally

stop before a nurse finished a blood draw, necessitating another

poke. Also, when I give myself a B-12 shot, I now need some cotton

and a bandaid, where I couldn't even tell where it was before. As

weird as it might seem, I think this is progess!

I'm very grateful for all the posters out there who offer ideas and

suggestions and provide links to more, more and more research. I may

not be well, but researching and trying different approaches is

preferably to doing nothing and crying " woe is me " in my book. At

least we are learning alot and making some friends in the process,

right?

Thanks again,

Jess

> >

> > Kathleen,

> >

> > I have no idea who you are and I hope that you are well

> intentioned,

> > but I don't particularly have a problem with what Ken said about

> > heparin. In fact his answer may have come from a question I had

> > asked about heparin also lowering Angiotensin on another board.

If

> > there is a danger in people with low adrenal function using

heparin

> > I think that they should know of that danger, but at the same

time

> > for the rest of us, I wouldn't want any to be needlessly scared

> > away, thus my comment here.

> >

> > Combing Benicar and Heparin really might be dangerous because

they

> > both seem to work in very similar ways. I know that when I used

> both

> > I got to feeling really bad, but in a strange way that I had

never

> > experienced before. I also know of someone who was using both

that

> > ended up in the hospital appearing to have had a stroke and was

not

> > coherent for some time. Interestingly this person was given a

> saline

> > IV, and eventually came around. That is scarey and that is in

part

> > why I stopped using that particular protocol.

> >

> > Also in regards to heparin and bromelain.....bromelain IS a

fairly

> > good substitute for heparin. I do know of at least one person who

> is

> > using it with goodr results, slower but there is progress. I

think

> > though that most would agree now that NattoKinase and

Lumbrokinase

> > are far better then bromelain. My doctor who is generally right

on

> > the cutting edge is now recommending NattoK as a first defense,

if

> > that doesn't work that he moves on to the heparin.

> >

> > Things change, progress is thankfully made and personally I am

not

> > so sure that you always need some tests either.

> >

> > One last thing, I just today got a reply from Ken when I wanted

to

> > know, what else he had used to get well besides heparin. He said

he

> > had used " antibiotics " . Sure if there is a way to do this without

> > ABX, then great, but I think that by the time most of have

realized

> > we are sick, we're already in over our heads. I've read Ken's

> > website for years and while I don't agree with him on absolutley

> > everything I'm sure, I see eye to eye with him on the majority of

> > what he says. And besides I don't take ANYTHING new at someone's

> > word, I don't care who they are, I research it myself for my own

> > satisfaction. Hopefully you do too.