Are You Saying Oprah is Denegrating Chronic Pain?

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Ruthie,

I have to put in my 2 cents here about Oprah. Her talk show is the only

talk show that I would even consider watching because of her integrity.

To compare her to Jerry Springer is like comparing apples and oranges.

I feel she is very selective about the guests and materials in her

show. She does not air trash. She may not be known overseas, but here

in the good old USA I believe she is #1 because of the content of her

show. If Dr. Myss was on Jerry Springer, she would be dismissed by many

people as propaganda. NOT ON OPRAH!!! I myself wrote a letter to Oprah

explaining to her that the chronically ill segment of society would be

better served by giving airtime to the more misunderstood diseases. I

explained how this author has not done justice to many sick people and

why. Since I also have an invisible disease, I have suffered the title

" disability fraud " for 20 years. And now someone wants to hang a sign

on my back " DISABLED & I DID THIS TO MYSELF " I am lucky that I have

the support of my family, but I was a slow progresser. I fought the

disease for 10 years before I became permanently disabled. Surgery

after surgery I was determined to keep working because I loved my job.

Others are not so lucky. 6 months and they are bedridden. I have

learned from being a lurker in many ng's that different things rub

different people the wrong way. Everyone here is entitled to an

opinion, but we all must realize that our opinions may hurt someone else

without our knowledge because of some underlying reason. That doesn't

mean we can't discuss controversial issues, we just have to be

understanding. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander.

With that I say Happy Thanksgiving.

Ruthie Cunliffe wrote:

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>

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> From: lyn55@... (Lyn Gottschalk)

>

> That is exactly right Jackie. People do listen to Opray, her stats can

> prove that.

>

> ==

> Ya know, I now understand that some folks take more stock in TV shows and

> their stars than I do. OK. I didn't understand that. However, I'd like

> to know WHAT KIND of people listen to her and whose stats prove this??

> THAT might be interesting to find out!

>

> I did a tiny little survey last evening after writing my posts. I know that

> NO ONE I know in other countries have even heard of her, all our friends and

> family there don't know a thing about these daytime shows except that they

> think they're all Jerry Springer. I also know that 5 people I asked, two on

> the phone and 3 online, again yesterday evening, just said, to paraphrase

> " Oh....yeah..she's some daytime talk show person....one of those types,

> right?? " And when I was on the air yesterday evening I asked two folks

> from overseas....they'd never heard of her. So inside of 4 hours yesterday

> I had a total of 7 people either not know who she was AT ALL or blow her

> off as some silly daytime talk show person. Now either I know a whole

> different bunch of people or I chose people like myself who don't care about

> TV. I know that at least three of the people were folks I had never talked

> to before in my life. The two from overseas were random contacts I made on

> the air with folks I've NEVER talked to before. Both in western Europe.

> The ones online were all random from different lists and groups except for

> two..on the phone, one which was a friend and the other was a business

> contact of my husband's who I don't know at all.

>

> So I figure that althought not EVERYONE sees Oprah the same why I and the

> folks I randomly asked last night do, that obviously some folks see this TV

> show and star stuff a whole lot different than we do and thus that's how I

> got myself into trouble here. Thus that's why my posts were upsetting to

> some folks. Sorry bout that!!

>

> CUL,

> Ruthie

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> ruthie@...

> www.cunliffegroup.com/ruthie

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Greetings: Please, please read this.

To respond to a previous post here is the information about book and the

person mentioned earlier. To find out more about this doctor here are

two home pages.

http://myss.com/

http://www.cygnus-books.co.uk/books/061055.htm

Oprah's Archives

http://www.oprah.com/bookclub/archives/other_books/cm_why1.html

Why People Don't Heal and How They Can

by Dr. Caroline Myss

From the show " Medical Intuitive Caroline Myss " 11/5/98

For many people, illness can serve vital emotional and psychological

needs. It can become an effective way of getting the attention they

might otherwise not receive; it can ensure that they remain in a

particular lifestyle or behavior pattern and avoid facing the chaos of

change. Yet, as Dr. Myss points out, illness can also guide us onto a

path of insight and learning upon which we would otherwise never have

set foot. Why People Don't Heal and How They Can brings together Dr.

Myss's breakthrough views on energy medicine

with a bold new account of the development of human consciousness and

spirituality over the ages.

Peace

D.

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, it is still a very broad generalization to say " why PEOPLE don't

heal... "

How about " why SOME people don't heal... "

I strongly resent her inference, and the general public misreads things

like that. All we heard after her appearance on the show was " even

Oprah said its all in your head " That type of

show and generalized statement set us back light years. And still

infuriates me, no matter how much good material may be in her book one

can not get past her inference.

Lyn

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:It's the generalizations that hurt us. When a big powerful celebrity

:like Oprah has a guest on that she has chosen to help everyone to FREE

:their Spirits, then who argues with that?

I'll argue with it. And so will many, MANY other people, including any

decent M.D. And anyone, and there are a LOT of 'em out there believe it or

not, who have never heard of Oprah will just laugh. The world does NOT

revolve around American celebrities. This is something we all have to

remember and save our energy to fight something REAL, not something from

TV-Land.

BTW... have you read Dr. Myss' book? Any of her books? One must be

careful discussing a book if they haven't read it but have only heard bits

and pieces taken out of context.

CUL,

Ruthie

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From: lyn55@... (Lyn Gottschalk)

Ruthie I didn't say I argue with these people. I said that the SAY these

things...and then I have to HEAR them. WHY? because these people DO

believe Oprah. I never said I believe Oprah.

Lyn, if you are so upset by what Oprah said and had on her program then I'd

say that you must hold SOME sort of belief in her and her show. If you

don't then why get upset? THAT is what I'm trying to say. Also, you don't

HAVE to hear them, now do you???

>And to infer that my disagreeing with the statements made infers that it

IS in my head is a huge jump don't you think?

It is a huge jump and an awful one however it is a jump that I can see many,

many people who believe in stuff like Oprah's show and guests will make when

they try to talk to you about it and you show them how upset you are. These

sort of people are the type that WILL make that kind of jump.

>This show caused alot of

the family I referred to in past posts to feel as they do about my

illness. Is not that justifiable anger at the author and the show? Or is

no anger ever justifiable. To say that my anger indicates anything else

but ANGER suggests to me you are over anayzing.:-)

Actually, anger indicates many, many things. It's a tough call to say what

it DOES indicate, underneath it all. Usually that's a call for a pro, not

your family. But your family, since they're the idiots that believe a TV

show, are the ones that you are listening to (why??) then they too will

wonder where your anger is coming from and thus try to be just like Oprah

and her guests and analyze it... to death. If you wish to be angry about

this silly TV show then that's, of course, your choice. But I question WHY

get so angry over a TV SHOW!!!!???

CUL,

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

From: lyn55@... (Lyn Gottschalk)

That is exactly right Jackie. People do listen to Opray, her stats can

prove that.

==

Ya know, I now understand that some folks take more stock in TV shows and

their stars than I do. OK. I didn't understand that. However, I'd like

to know WHAT KIND of people listen to her and whose stats prove this??

THAT might be interesting to find out!

I did a tiny little survey last evening after writing my posts. I know that

NO ONE I know in other countries have even heard of her, all our friends and

family there don't know a thing about these daytime shows except that they

think they're all Jerry Springer. I also know that 5 people I asked, two on

the phone and 3 online, again yesterday evening, just said, to paraphrase

" Oh....yeah..she's some daytime talk show person....one of those types,

right?? " And when I was on the air yesterday evening I asked two folks

from overseas....they'd never heard of her. So inside of 4 hours yesterday

I had a total of 7 people either not know who she was AT ALL or blow her

off as some silly daytime talk show person. Now either I know a whole

different bunch of people or I chose people like myself who don't care about

TV. I know that at least three of the people were folks I had never talked

to before in my life. The two from overseas were random contacts I made on

the air with folks I've NEVER talked to before. Both in western Europe.

The ones online were all random from different lists and groups except for

two..on the phone, one which was a friend and the other was a business

contact of my husband's who I don't know at all.

So I figure that althought not EVERYONE sees Oprah the same why I and the

folks I randomly asked last night do, that obviously some folks see this TV

show and star stuff a whole lot different than we do and thus that's how I

got myself into trouble here. Thus that's why my posts were upsetting to

some folks. Sorry bout that!!

CUL,

Ruthie

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ruthie@...

www.cunliffegroup.com/ruthie

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:

:hurt us so much. My SIL becomes an authority on self-discovery, and

:bettering yourself, self-analyst, child-rearing, etc., and whatever book

:she reads, whatever therapist she goes to, and whatever talk show she

:listens to she believes them because after all THEY are the authority.

:They did the research, they did the tests, they did the study, etc,

:etc,...........so THEY must be right.

And do think she is any better or worse than those who listen to Oprah so

seriously and intently?? I don't!

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One more time. Ruthie, I am not angry at the TV show, I am angry at the

power the media has to impart erroneous information to the general

public who swallows it and spews it back out. If that same show would

have been on a positive approach to dealing with your loved ones

illnesses, as in how to help them, can't you see the difference that may

have made in validating everything we do through every day? My disease

does not always show. I have to rely on people believing in me. When a

so called expert uses the power of the media I cannot fight that. THAT

makes me angry.

My God, don't you have anything you get passionate about, nothing that

trips your trigger? I am a person full of feeling and emotion, and I

will never apoligize for that. When things make me angry I do not coldly

dismiss them.

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>>BTW... have you read Dr. Myss' book? Any of her books? One must be

careful discussing a book if they haven't read it but have only heard

bits and pieces taken out of context.<<

No, and I will lay you odds that millions more people watch Oprah than

read that book. THAT is the power of the media. You are living in a very

sheltered life, if you cannot see our point here about Oprah. It is like

a celebrity endorsing a product. The more educated people know that it

is not a valid reason to buy . But the majority of the common man have

proved over and over again that the practice works. If it didn't ,

advertising agencies would quit doing it.

Those that don't know Oprah wouldn't be questioning my pain or they live

where there is no television. We are talking about the reasonable man

theory. Look at internet hoaxes and urban legends. ANd Oprah isn't even

behind those!!People believe what the hear, and are told by media of any

kind. It is a " supposed expertise " granted upon the media.

Therein lies my anger.

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From: lyn55@... (Lyn Gottschalk)

My God, don't you have anything you get passionate about, nothing that

trips your trigger? I am a person full of feeling and emotion, and I

will never apoligize for that. When things make me angry I do not coldly

dismiss them.

=====

What trips my trigger has to be VERY important to me and very worthwhile for

me to expend my precious energy. I learned this a few years ago and it's

been a lifesaver. I don't have the amount of energy I used to thus I

learned to pick carefully what I do with it. When I am angered I am usually

careful about how and how MUCH I express it and do about it.

The things I am passionate about and am willing to get truly angry about are

not things that have anything to do with a TV show. THAT is where I am

different I guess. As we ALL are!

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From: lyn55@... (Lyn Gottschalk)

>No, and I will lay you odds that millions more people watch Oprah than

read that book. THAT is the power of the media. You are living in a very

sheltered life, if you cannot see our point here about Oprah. It is like

I disagree completely. I do not lead a sheltered life, nor have I ever.

Boy, sometimes I wish I did! Now YOU are making assumptions of which you

have no information to back up. Because I happen to CHOOSE to not go with

the flow, follow the flock nor give credence to those that do doesn't make

it a sheltered life.

READ THE REST WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I'M SAYING IT WITH A SMILELY FACE.

What I see now is that people like you who put so much into the opinions

that others take up from a person like Oprah and her show are the ones that

are HELPING to perpetuate the power of a TV show and its star. You are not

hindering it one bit, you're helping it along by even acknowledging it

exists as more than JUST a silly TV show! I won't thank you for THAT!

See?? This is never going to be understood by someone like me who will NOT

give power to a TV show and its star. Why not? Because if I too took up

arms against this crap I would be giving credibility to it all. I won't do

that. Perhaps THAT is what trips my trigger, eh? People like you who help

this type of thing along!! :-) Now, before you get upset please note the

smilely face! I'm only trying to point out that this is a multi-faceted

subject that goes far beyond Oprah, Dr. Myss, chronic pain, or even TV.

This goes to the heart of what we're doing here in the country and what

we're not doing. Now THIS is something that will set off all the passionate

fires I have in me. But it is also a topic for a different list, very much

so!

CUL,

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

:-) People like me??? Meaning those who do not ignore reality? EVeryone

here has had a story or complaint on how they are treated due to others

misconceptions of their illness or their pain. Where do YOU think those

misconceptions come from? Because I choose to battle them in a different

way than you do( which I am seeing now is, " ignore it and it will go

away " ) does not make me wrong or you right. It just makes us different

in our approach.

People like you who do and say nothing, allow it to perpetuate with

rampant disregard. At least I have the courage to say it is wrong. :-) I

f more of us would point out to people that being in the media is no

guarantee of expertise, and writing a book does not make you an expert,

then common ground might eventually be reached.

:-)

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From: lyn55@... (Lyn Gottschalk)

:-) People like me??? Meaning those who do not ignore reality? EVeryone

===

Lyn, your smilely faces are overdone.

Fight if you wish, it obviously is what you want to do.