Re: More on autism and CFS--good news, I think!

[Guest guest]

Thanks alot Rich, I am always grateful for your posts.

[Guest guest]

I have been interested in the comparison since I heard a talk by a Dr.

Goldberg from California comparing Autism, ADHD, and CFS. He

calls it a Neuroimmune Dysfunction Syndrome. More can be found on

.net Hadn't thought about it for some time. Yesterday there was a

news story about a marker for autism having been found at the MIND

institute at UC, CA. I have thought for a long time that the

answers re CFS would come in the back door.

Marie

> Hi, all.

>

> Advances in the understanding of autism are continuing to occur at a

> rapid pace, and there continues to be more evidence found that

> autism and CFS have a lot in common, in my opinion.

>

> Yesterday in Boston at the 4th International Meeting for Autism

> Research, Amaral et al. reported finding a 20 percent higher

> number of B lymphocytes in children with autism, compared to normals.

>

> Judy Van de Water et al. reported lower levels of cytokines in

> children with autism compared to normals, after antigen

> provocation. I haven't been able to find out yet which cytokines

> were obsered to be lower.

>

> Combined with earlier research on the immune system and autism, the

> work of Amaral et al. suggests a Th2 shift and a suppression of cell-

> mediated immunity in autism, as is frequently found in CFS.

>

> Here are some of the other features that have been reported in the

> past to be found in autism, which are also found in CFS:

>

> Oxidative stress

> Toxicity and sensitivity to toxins, especially mercury

> Gastrointestinal problems, including dysybiosis, leaky gut, and

> problems with casein and gluten.

> Abnormalities in sulfur metabolism

> Coagulation problems

> Sleep disorders

> HPA axis dysfunction

>

> Researchers at UCLA are homing in on gene mutations associated with

> autism. S. Jill and colleagues have already reported on some

> single-nucleotide polymorphisms that are associated with problems in

> methylation and detox, involving sulfur metabolism.

>

> There was also work reported in Boston by Amaral on

> proteomics, i.e. the concentrations of various proteins in the

> blood, in kids with autism compared to normals. Big differences

> were found in a large number of proteins. I don't think this kind

> of work has been reported yet in CFS, but I think it will be done

> soon, since Eleanor Hanna at the NIH told me at their workshop two

> years ago that she thought this is where the answers will lie in CFS

> research, and she is in charge of CFS research there.

>

> The common denominator and root cause of many of the observed

> features that these two disorders have in common appears to be

> glutathione depletion. As I have said earlier, the differences

> between autism and CFS appear to be caused by glutathione becoming

> depleted earlier in life in the kids with autism, before the brain

> has been fully developed, while in CFS the glutathione depletion

> occurs later.

>

> Because of the prominent symptoms in autism related to lack of

> proper brain development, which are not found in CFS, I think that

> in the past researchers have not paid attention to the

> similarities. But once glutathione depletion was found to be

> present in both, the picture really has seemed to come together.

>

> I suggest that everyone with CFS keep their eye on autism research.

> It is going great guns now, and I strongly suspect that much of what

> they find out in terms of genetic variations and basic biochemistry

> is going to apply to CFS pretty directly. The big differences are

> going to be in things involved with the lack of proper brain

> development in autism and the effects of that, which are not found

> in CFS. But the rest should be applicable. Stay tuned!

>

> Rich

[Guest guest]

> I have been interested in the comparison since I heard a talk by a

Dr.

> Goldberg from California comparing Autism, ADHD, and CFS.

He

> calls it a Neuroimmune Dysfunction Syndrome. More can be found on

> .net Hadn't thought about it for some time. Yesterday there

was a

> news story about a marker for autism having been found at the MIND

> institute at UC, CA. I have thought for a long time that the

> answers re CFS would come in the back door.

> Marie

For many years I have thought that my CFS/FMS was " Adult-Onset

Autism " because I had so many of the symptoms of austism. I startle

easily, I am sensitive to lights and sounds and things that spin. I

had emotional control issues, I had an inability to control my

impulses as well as other behavioral and emotional and mental issues.

The operative word here, is HAD.

For me, chelation was the first step toward recovery and it is

working so far because once the Mercury comes out, other medications

can work. This is perhaps too simple for scientists oogling a

microscope and hunting for specific pathogen as cause. We are so

into treating our symptoms - of which glutithione depletion or

infection are but two, that we miss the obvious. It's poisons in the

environment, pure and simple. We can't eat the fish in our lakes.

How long did we really think we could get away with poisoning the

environment and not feel the effects ourselves? What has happened to

common sense?

What THINKING person could believe it is ok to put known toxic

Mercury in the body and not pay some price?

Several years ago it was pointed out to me that autism is a result

of Mercury poisoning and that many researchers have found this to be

a possibility.

Dr. Omura says that Mercury hides virus and bacteria.

If we have buried virus and bacteria, as well as Mercury poisoning,

is it any wonder our glutithione is depleted, that we have gut and

liver and kidney and heart problems? The body stores the Mercury

where it will cause the least damage to the whole of the body - that

is, it stores in the brain, the muscle, the kidneys - organs that

the body can tolerate disfunction within and still survive.

These are not seperate issues. They are all related and it all leads

back to one thing: Mercury.

I don't try to be a voice just for Mercury chelation as treatent

for chronic illness - it's just that my own experience plus the

research I see always comes back to it. The " accepted " research

isn't there because it would create a genuine mess in the health

industry, the AMA the ADA especially and all dentists out there

brainwashed into thinking it is harmless would be sued, eventually,

for what they have done. The costs of removing this poison would be

astronomical because everyone is toxic with it to one degree or

another. If you have silver fillings - or ever had them, you have Hg

Mercury. If you eat tuna or ever ate tuna, you have it. If you live

near a paper plant or a coal burning power plant or any number of

other facilities you have it in you and it is messing you up whether

you acknowledge it or not.

Couple that with the fact that straight Dr.'s don't know how to

accurately test for, or treat this toxicity problem only adds fuel

to the fire. The babies that developed autism probably got the

mercury from Thimerisol in their vaccinations PLUS mom's Mercury

load from all her fillings. We are now 2 or 3 generations into

Mercury poisoning so it isn't a surprise to me that the statistics

are skyrocketing on this issue.

Those of us with dental issues don't have to look very far to find

correlations. In my case, mom had Mercury fillings and I am the

youngest child born in her late 30's. I got some of hers plus 16 or

18 of my own. I started showing symptoms pre-pubescent.

I had swine flu in 1975 and that was when it all started - the

downhill slippery slope. Perhaps the Mercury allowed the swine flu

virus to hide and morph as well as the chlamydia I constantly

battled this last year. For others it may well allow for whatever

bug or critter to develop, hidden behind the wall of Mercury, safe

from immune system attack.

Cheers,

*S*

[Guest guest]

-Very interesting.How is the Mercury chelated. Is it expensive.

Marie-- In infections , " Sue "

<invisigyrl@y...> wrote:

>

> > I have been interested in the comparison since I heard a talk by a

> Dr.

> > Goldberg from California comparing Autism, ADHD, and CFS.

> He

> > calls it a Neuroimmune Dysfunction Syndrome. More can be found on

> > .net Hadn't thought about it for some time. Yesterday there

> was a

> > news story about a marker for autism having been found at the MIND

> > institute at UC, CA. I have thought for a long time that the

> > answers re CFS would come in the back door.

> > Marie

>

>

> For many years I have thought that my CFS/FMS was " Adult-Onset

> Autism " because I had so many of the symptoms of austism. I startle

> easily, I am sensitive to lights and sounds and things that spin. I

> had emotional control issues, I had an inability to control my

> impulses as well as other behavioral and emotional and mental issues.

> The operative word here, is HAD.

>

> For me, chelation was the first step toward recovery and it is

> working so far because once the Mercury comes out, other medications

> can work. This is perhaps too simple for scientists oogling a

> microscope and hunting for specific pathogen as cause. We are so

> into treating our symptoms - of which glutithione depletion or

> infection are but two, that we miss the obvious. It's poisons in the

> environment, pure and simple. We can't eat the fish in our lakes.

> How long did we really think we could get away with poisoning the

> environment and not feel the effects ourselves? What has happened to

> common sense?

> What THINKING person could believe it is ok to put known toxic

> Mercury in the body and not pay some price?

>

>

> Several years ago it was pointed out to me that autism is a result

> of Mercury poisoning and that many researchers have found this to be

> a possibility.

> Dr. Omura says that Mercury hides virus and bacteria.

> If we have buried virus and bacteria, as well as Mercury poisoning,

> is it any wonder our glutithione is depleted, that we have gut and

> liver and kidney and heart problems? The body stores the Mercury

> where it will cause the least damage to the whole of the body - that

> is, it stores in the brain, the muscle, the kidneys - organs that

> the body can tolerate disfunction within and still survive.

>

> These are not seperate issues. They are all related and it all leads

> back to one thing: Mercury.

> I don't try to be a voice just for Mercury chelation as treatent

> for chronic illness - it's just that my own experience plus the

> research I see always comes back to it. The " accepted " research

> isn't there because it would create a genuine mess in the health

> industry, the AMA the ADA especially and all dentists out there

> brainwashed into thinking it is harmless would be sued, eventually,

> for what they have done. The costs of removing this poison would be

> astronomical because everyone is toxic with it to one degree or

> another. If you have silver fillings - or ever had them, you have Hg

> Mercury. If you eat tuna or ever ate tuna, you have it. If you live

> near a paper plant or a coal burning power plant or any number of

> other facilities you have it in you and it is messing you up whether

> you acknowledge it or not.

> Couple that with the fact that straight Dr.'s don't know how to

> accurately test for, or treat this toxicity problem only adds fuel

> to the fire. The babies that developed autism probably got the

> mercury from Thimerisol in their vaccinations PLUS mom's Mercury

> load from all her fillings. We are now 2 or 3 generations into

> Mercury poisoning so it isn't a surprise to me that the statistics

> are skyrocketing on this issue.

>

> Those of us with dental issues don't have to look very far to find

> correlations. In my case, mom had Mercury fillings and I am the

> youngest child born in her late 30's. I got some of hers plus 16 or

> 18 of my own. I started showing symptoms pre-pubescent.

> I had swine flu in 1975 and that was when it all started - the

> downhill slippery slope. Perhaps the Mercury allowed the swine flu

> virus to hide and morph as well as the chlamydia I constantly

> battled this last year. For others it may well allow for whatever

> bug or critter to develop, hidden behind the wall of Mercury, safe

> from immune system attack.

>

>

> Cheers,

> *S*