Re: P.S. on Lassesen and natto, Jess/o

[Guest guest]

o.

I did associate hypercoagulation with the way my blood would just

stop coming during a blood draw, plus it looked thick, more like oil

than water. These are just observations and may not mean anything.

Maybe low blood pressure could explain my blood stopping before the

end of a blood draw?

I could post my Hemex results, but they weren't at all exciting. The

one time I did it, it was negative! We have tested Fibrinogen

multiple times and it has been high every time [by Hemex's

guidleines], except at Hemex itself! It was like going to the doctors

on the rare day you feel pretty good.

We did an extensive coagulation panel when I was looking at having

surgery for osteonecrosis and it was there that I had weird results.

Low Factor V activity, high Fibrinogen, high Protein S and high

protein C, and a very high CRP - over 3x the upper risk limit.

It was explained to me [using gross oversimplication] that the

coagulation cascade kind of works like dominoes, if one thing is out

of whack it is out of whack all the way through, with one factor

affecting the next. Then the body tries to compensate, which is how I

have high protein C & S, where normally you would expect low, but all

in all it indicated hypercoagulation which would impede recovery from

the surgery.

I'm going to ask if we can run those tests again, now that I've been

on the Natto for awhile and see if they are more normal. If so, I may

have the surgery and hopefully get rid of the infection in my jaw.

Jess

> > > >

> > > > Kathleen,

> > > >

> > > > I have no idea who you are and I hope that you are well

> > > intentioned,

> > > > but I don't particularly have a problem with what Ken said

about

> > > > heparin. In fact his answer may have come from a question I

had

> > > > asked about heparin also lowering Angiotensin on another

board.

> > If

> > > > there is a danger in people with low adrenal function using

> > heparin

> > > > I think that they should know of that danger, but at the same

> > time

> > > > for the rest of us, I wouldn't want any to be needlessly

scared

> > > > away, thus my comment here.

> > > >

> > > > Combing Benicar and Heparin really might be dangerous because

> > they

> > > > both seem to work in very similar ways. I know that when I

used

> > > both

> > > > I got to feeling really bad, but in a strange way that I had

> > never

> > > > experienced before. I also know of someone who was using both

> > that

> > > > ended up in the hospital appearing to have had a stroke and

was

> > not

> > > > coherent for some time. Interestingly this person was given a

> > > saline

> > > > IV, and eventually came around. That is scarey and that is in

> > part

> > > > why I stopped using that particular protocol.

> > > >

> > > > Also in regards to heparin and bromelain.....bromelain IS a

> > fairly

> > > > good substitute for heparin. I do know of at least one person

who

> > > is

> > > > using it with goodr results, slower but there is progress. I

> > think

> > > > though that most would agree now that NattoKinase and

> > Lumbrokinase

> > > > are far better then bromelain. My doctor who is generally

right

> > on

> > > > the cutting edge is now recommending NattoK as a first

defense,

> > if

> > > > that doesn't work that he moves on to the heparin.

> > > >

> > > > Things change, progress is thankfully made and personally I

am

> > not

> > > > so sure that you always need some tests either.

> > > >

> > > > One last thing, I just today got a reply from Ken when I

wanted

> > to

> > > > know, what else he had used to get well besides heparin. He

said

> > he

> > > > had used " antibiotics " . Sure if there is a way to do this

without

> > > > ABX, then great, but I think that by the time most of have

> > realized

> > > > we are sick, we're already in over our heads. I've read Ken's

> > > > website for years and while I don't agree with him on

absolutley

> > > > everything I'm sure, I see eye to eye with him on the

majority of

> > > > what he says. And besides I don't take ANYTHING new at

someone's

> > > > word, I don't care who they are, I research it myself for my

own

> > > > satisfaction. Hopefully you do too.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Jess.

o

> > > > >

> > > > > Kathleen,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no idea who you are and I hope that you are well

> > > > intentioned,

> > > > > but I don't particularly have a problem with what Ken said

> about

> > > > > heparin. In fact his answer may have come from a question I

> had

> > > > > asked about heparin also lowering Angiotensin on another

> board.

> > > If

> > > > > there is a danger in people with low adrenal function using

> > > heparin

> > > > > I think that they should know of that danger, but at the same

> > > time

> > > > > for the rest of us, I wouldn't want any to be needlessly

> scared

> > > > > away, thus my comment here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Combing Benicar and Heparin really might be dangerous because

> > > they

> > > > > both seem to work in very similar ways. I know that when I

> used

> > > > both

> > > > > I got to feeling really bad, but in a strange way that I had

> > > never

> > > > > experienced before. I also know of someone who was using both

> > > that

> > > > > ended up in the hospital appearing to have had a stroke and

> was

> > > not

> > > > > coherent for some time. Interestingly this person was given a

> > > > saline

> > > > > IV, and eventually came around. That is scarey and that is in

> > > part

> > > > > why I stopped using that particular protocol.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also in regards to heparin and bromelain.....bromelain IS a

> > > fairly

> > > > > good substitute for heparin. I do know of at least one person

> who

> > > > is

> > > > > using it with goodr results, slower but there is progress. I

> > > think

> > > > > though that most would agree now that NattoKinase and

> > > Lumbrokinase

> > > > > are far better then bromelain. My doctor who is generally

> right

> > > on

> > > > > the cutting edge is now recommending NattoK as a first

> defense,

> > > if

> > > > > that doesn't work that he moves on to the heparin.

> > > > >

> > > > > Things change, progress is thankfully made and personally I

> am

> > > not

> > > > > so sure that you always need some tests either.

> > > > >

> > > > > One last thing, I just today got a reply from Ken when I

> wanted

> > > to

> > > > > know, what else he had used to get well besides heparin. He

> said

> > > he

> > > > > had used " antibiotics " . Sure if there is a way to do this

> without

> > > > > ABX, then great, but I think that by the time most of have

> > > realized

> > > > > we are sick, we're already in over our heads. I've read Ken's

> > > > > website for years and while I don't agree with him on

> absolutley

> > > > > everything I'm sure, I see eye to eye with him on the

> majority of

> > > > > what he says. And besides I don't take ANYTHING new at

> someone's

> > > > > word, I don't care who they are, I research it myself for my

> own

> > > > > satisfaction. Hopefully you do too.

[Guest guest]

I'm in such a fog I can't figure out who is the sender and the

sendee here but I had a small unrelated thought. I too had terrible

hypercoagulation. It was completely cleared up for me after about

two months on ACTH shots. I attribute the turn around to the ACTH

becuase no other products were introduced at that time. Purely

accidental as I didn't know it would help that. Isnt' it funny how

exciting it is to see bright red blood (and thin too) spurting out

of a small finger cut?

My oh my, my level of expectations has really taken a nose dive.

But I was just wondering if hypercoagulation and pituitary function

could be related...........?? Nah...

Peg

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kathleen,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have no idea who you are and I hope that you are well

> > > > > intentioned,

> > > > > > but I don't particularly have a problem with what Ken

said

> > about

> > > > > > heparin. In fact his answer may have come from a

question I

> > had

> > > > > > asked about heparin also lowering Angiotensin on another

> > board.

> > > > If

> > > > > > there is a danger in people with low adrenal function

using

> > > > heparin

> > > > > > I think that they should know of that danger, but at the

same

> > > > time

> > > > > > for the rest of us, I wouldn't want any to be needlessly

> > scared

> > > > > > away, thus my comment here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Combing Benicar and Heparin really might be dangerous

because

> > > > they

> > > > > > both seem to work in very similar ways. I know that when

I

> > used

> > > > > both

> > > > > > I got to feeling really bad, but in a strange way that I

had

> > > > never

> > > > > > experienced before. I also know of someone who was using

both

> > > > that

> > > > > > ended up in the hospital appearing to have had a stroke

and

> > was

> > > > not

> > > > > > coherent for some time. Interestingly this person was

given a

> > > > > saline

> > > > > > IV, and eventually came around. That is scarey and that

is in

> > > > part

> > > > > > why I stopped using that particular protocol.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also in regards to heparin and bromelain.....bromelain

IS a

> > > > fairly

> > > > > > good substitute for heparin. I do know of at least one

person

> > who

> > > > > is

> > > > > > using it with goodr results, slower but there is

progress. I

> > > > think

> > > > > > though that most would agree now that NattoKinase and

> > > > Lumbrokinase

> > > > > > are far better then bromelain. My doctor who is

generally

> > right

> > > > on

> > > > > > the cutting edge is now recommending NattoK as a first

> > defense,

> > > > if

> > > > > > that doesn't work that he moves on to the heparin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Things change, progress is thankfully made and

personally I

> > am

> > > > not

> > > > > > so sure that you always need some tests either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One last thing, I just today got a reply from Ken when I

> > wanted

> > > > to

> > > > > > know, what else he had used to get well besides heparin.

He

> > said

> > > > he

> > > > > > had used " antibiotics " . Sure if there is a way to do

this

> > without

> > > > > > ABX, then great, but I think that by the time most of

have

> > > > realized

> > > > > > we are sick, we're already in over our heads. I've read

Ken's

> > > > > > website for years and while I don't agree with him on

> > absolutley

> > > > > > everything I'm sure, I see eye to eye with him on the

> > majority of

> > > > > > what he says. And besides I don't take ANYTHING new at

> > someone's

> > > > > > word, I don't care who they are, I research it myself

for my

> > own

> > > > > > satisfaction. Hopefully you do too.