Jill - stuff

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> you're having a good time eric . you're keeping your mind awake

> and alive.

Ehh... well... I'll admit I enjoy this study a *tiny bit.*

But if practical applications of this stuff can indeed succeed, I

want to get going ASAP. Alas, ASAP is one hell of a relative term.

> There was some kind of 3-d imaging study by NIH some years ago

> that showed tremendous [bb] numbers. We may not be able to image

> them correctly.

Like yo, hand it over! Do you know where to find it? I'd be

eternally grateful. I've spent hours and hours on this question at

the Nat'l Library of Medicine, and plan on more... even looked into

Treponema and MS. Thought I had done a fairly serious lit review (of

course all the real work was done by the lymeRICK people, with their

awesome bibliographies).

Mattman, ed 3, has some pics suggesting a tremendous density of Bb

in red cells, white cells... but I'm a touch unsettled that these

pics are so thinly addressed in the text despite being so

revolutionary. I'd be overwhelmingly interested to learn about

anyone else finding something similar.

I know for sure from the Wirostko/ papers I've been shown

that tiny cytoplasmic bacterial L-forms can be *damn* hard to

detect. So they are a candidate for where the missing Bb biomass

could be.

> an interesting fact about epidemics is the virulence of an

> infection decreases over time, host and pathogen adapt to each

> other. why is that. maybe to some extent in the beginning you just

> kill off the

> weaker ones (genetically). but also the more successful pathogen

is

> one that can live with its host and be transmitted. so maybe there

> is selective pressure on the pathogen that way.

Yeah, definitely. Bb causes a many-month persistant infection in the

White-footed Mouse (a major reservoir species), and infects a huge

percentage of individuals. Generally these mice are feelin just

fine. Bugloads are presumably low.

Alot of bacteria-infecting viruses probably have extremely nuanced

and unstable relationships with their bacterial hosts - the more so

since they can easily serve as vectors for gene transfer. Probably

in some situations they slaughter bacteria and in others they are

virtually bacterial appendages.

There are wars between humans but no wars between organisms - only

dances that are variably cruel and exploitative.

> Also Nick of Igenex says that in babesia, though only 1%

> may parisitize the obvious red blood cells, bone marrow testing

> will show 20% of bone marrow infected.

Like says itd be great to know more about this. Perhaps this is

another way babesias avoid the perils they evidently encounter

during splenic filtration of circulating red cells.

Are there mature red cells in the marrow or just immature ones

(reticulocytes) and less differentiated forebears?