Re: Feedback on abx concentration

[Guest guest]

Abx combos, as compared to single abx therapy, should be more likely

to give room for yeast, not less likely. Tini may have action against

yeast tho, according to the Brorson paper on it, which is online. (But

tini too could also be pro-yeast at least in principle by killing

normally present bacteria that suppress it; I dono if anyone has

reported this.)

Also, I feel like combos may be more relevant to acheiving

effectiveness in the first place than they are to avoiding resistance.

Fortunately you dont seem to have an effectiveness problem at this

point, if what you experience is caused by herx (one should be alert

to other possible causes).

Have you ever stayed on any of those abx for consecutive days? Whats

your longest and what doses have you done? Over what time exactly do

intolerable effects arise that cause you to stop?

--- In infections , Hope <hope0073@y...>

wrote:

> I have positive tests for borrelia, mycoplasma, and c.

> pneumonia and have been very ill for years.

>

> I have been experimenting with abx for about 4 years

> and now feel that I need a combo of abx rather than a

> mono therapy for a variety of reasons, some of which

> are: 1. avoiding yeast proliferation 2. helping stop

> pathogen abx resistance 3. affordability of abx out of

> pocket.

>

> I herx on doxy, mino, and tinidazole and have some of

> each in my cupboard. I can only handle low dose pulsed

> amounts.

>

> I am wanting people's feedback re: length of time one

> must take a particular abx for it to be effective (not

> in terms of months or years) but rather how many days

> in a row one needs to take them.

>

> For example, if I took doxy on M, mino on W, and

> tinidazole on F, would that be enough of each one to

> work effectively, or would it be better to take doxy

> for 1 week, mino for 1 week, and tini for 1 week in

> order to have pathogens be exposed to the same abx for

> a week at a time.Or each for a longer period of time.

> I currently cannot handle taking two kinds at the same

> time as herx is intolerable and I also don't detox

> well.

>

> Comments based on research or personal experience?

>

> TIQ,

> Hope

[Guest guest]

> I have positive tests for borrelia, mycoplasma, and c.

> pneumonia and have been very ill for years.

Me Too. I have never had a borrelia test tho but I have had a bite

with a ring around it.

> I herx on doxy, mino, and tinidazole and have some of

> each in my cupboard. I can only handle low dose pulsed

> amounts.

Me Too. Any antibiotic or antifungal will cause a herx in me

eventually. For years, I was considered antibiotic resistent. I

would get so very sick AND they didn't work.

> I am wanting people's feedback re: length of time one

After about a year of pulsed Doxy, I am feeling about 75-85%

recovered AT THIS TIME - I am not done yet. I feel as if we have

knocked out the CFS/ME part of my problems. I still have a bad case

of osteo-arthritis probably mis-diagnosed as fibromyalgia with

calcified cysts in all my joints and two new ones in muscle, and I

am having chest pain/palpitations as discussed IE Cheney's new stuff.

I took Doxy for usually 7 days at a time, sometimes 10 days but I

start to herx right away, ramping up in pain until I am squeeling

like a pig for pain meds. Only twice this year did I get to that

point when my Dr. " pushed " me to go a bit further than I knew I

should. But at least he was there with a prescription pad when I did.

I believe it was 200 mg Doxy X 4 a day. I also took (and still take)

EPA/DHA X 4 a day (1000mg) and I take folic acid X 4 a day (one pill

cut in 4 pieces). We recently added B6 Niacinimide X 4 a day for

adrenal failure (no longer needed!) and Trace Minerals with B12 X 2

a day (still needing this one) both are made by Standard Process.

During this year of Doxy, one week on, one week off (on average as

determined by testing) I also took Amoxicillian (once) and an un-

named un-patented antibiotic once. I do not know what it was. It

didn't work, anyway, but it was supposed to be a chlamydia-killer.

It may have helped the cause but I still ended up back on Doxy when

it was supposed to be the end-all of chlamydias.

Chlamydia has been the hardest one to knock out, in me. It has been

gone a month now, but there are no guarentee's it won't come back

especially because I have the osteo-cysts.

Now I am on my second round of Flagyl (generic)and feeling the herx

of it, but not squeeling yet. I may have to go one more round of ten

days on Flagyl but we will know on Weds., if I need to refill my

prescription. I am really happy about my progress and I have been

feeling pretty darn good for the last month or so.

All this was after Mercury and other heavy metal chelation with

cilantro.

Hope this helps.

*Sue*

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whoops i was mistaken - i just looked at the bottle of Doxy and it

was 100mg not 200mg as I said. These were a certain brand as other

brands did not work. (Bottle says IVAX) They are tablets, not

capsules. I had to get them at a Compounding pharmacy.

Cheers,

*Sue*

> > I have positive tests for borrelia, mycoplasma, and c.

> > pneumonia and have been very ill for years.

>

> Me Too. I have never had a borrelia test tho but I have had a bite

> with a ring around it.

>

>

> > I herx on doxy, mino, and tinidazole and have some of

> > each in my cupboard. I can only handle low dose pulsed

> > amounts.

>

>

> Me Too. Any antibiotic or antifungal will cause a herx in me

> eventually. For years, I was considered antibiotic resistent. I

> would get so very sick AND they didn't work.

>

>

> > I am wanting people's feedback re: length of time one

>

>

> After about a year of pulsed Doxy, I am feeling about 75-85%

> recovered AT THIS TIME - I am not done yet. I feel as if we have

> knocked out the CFS/ME part of my problems. I still have a bad

case

> of osteo-arthritis probably mis-diagnosed as fibromyalgia with

> calcified cysts in all my joints and two new ones in muscle, and I

> am having chest pain/palpitations as discussed IE Cheney's new

stuff.

>

> I took Doxy for usually 7 days at a time, sometimes 10 days but I

> start to herx right away, ramping up in pain until I am squeeling

> like a pig for pain meds. Only twice this year did I get to that

> point when my Dr. " pushed " me to go a bit further than I knew I

> should. But at least he was there with a prescription pad when I

did.

>

> I believe it was 200 mg Doxy X 4 a day. I also took (and still

take)

> EPA/DHA X 4 a day (1000mg) and I take folic acid X 4 a day (one

pill

> cut in 4 pieces). We recently added B6 Niacinimide X 4 a day for

> adrenal failure (no longer needed!) and Trace Minerals with B12 X

2

> a day (still needing this one) both are made by Standard Process.

>

> During this year of Doxy, one week on, one week off (on average as

> determined by testing) I also took Amoxicillian (once) and an un-

> named un-patented antibiotic once. I do not know what it was. It

> didn't work, anyway, but it was supposed to be a chlamydia-killer.

> It may have helped the cause but I still ended up back on Doxy

when

> it was supposed to be the end-all of chlamydias.

> Chlamydia has been the hardest one to knock out, in me. It has

been

> gone a month now, but there are no guarentee's it won't come back

> especially because I have the osteo-cysts.

>

> Now I am on my second round of Flagyl (generic)and feeling the

herx

> of it, but not squeeling yet. I may have to go one more round of

ten

> days on Flagyl but we will know on Weds., if I need to refill my

> prescription. I am really happy about my progress and I have been

> feeling pretty darn good for the last month or so.

>

> All this was after Mercury and other heavy metal chelation with

> cilantro.

> Hope this helps.

> *Sue*

>

> >

> >