Re: Baseline Test Results - what do you kids think?

[Guest guest]

I think some people feel the ranges for B12 are too liberal on the low

end. Mine always measures nice and high so I havent studied that.

I am pretty sure IGF-1 is a direct index (so they say at least) of

growth hormone, which itself is considered too minute and delicate to

measure easily, so they say at least.

With iron, I have seen claims it can be lowered due to inflammation (I

wouldnt know).

The MP people would say your 25D is low because of energetic

conversion to 1,25D. I cant evaluate that at all. For one thing, I

dont know what happens to 1,25D... perhaps some of it can convert back

to 25D... I have no idea.

>

> Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:

>

> Just got some test results back and I'm curious what you all think.

> I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine (and a little

> nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems). What do you

> know about these things (and the doc threw in the Vit D stuff on his

> own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe recurrence of Lyme

> disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly positive

> Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).

>

> Iron Stuff

> TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)

> Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)

> % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)

> Ferritin low 9 (10-220)

>

> Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between all these iron

> measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely out of range, do

> I really need to take iron? What do they differentially indicate?

>

> Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)

> Cholesterol 112

> LDL 42

> HDL 60

> Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)

>

> B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)

> folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)

> (these are what they are saying I should supplement with the high

> homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if these are normal?)

>

> 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance or

> supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

>

> Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range: 90-360 ng/ml)

> Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what does high mean?

> Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my diabetic

> friends or what?

>

> Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine level from

> anyone.

[Guest guest]

As far as homocysteine levels the lower the batter, 6

would be much better than 20 or even 13. 2 different

doctors on national tv lately says latest findings

show you need a minumun if 1000mcq daily, thats about

21/2 times recomended daily dose of folate. any extra

homocysteine not used and left over is very corrosive

to your circulatoray system. I believe all B vits

help. jimd

--- duramater27 <spam-barb@...> wrote:

>

> Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:

>

> Just got some test results back and I'm curious what

> you all think.

> I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine

> (and a little

> nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems).

> What do you

> know about these things (and the doc threw in the

> Vit D stuff on his

> own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe

> recurrence of Lyme

> disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly

> positive

> Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).

>

> Iron Stuff

> TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)

> Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)

> % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)

> Ferritin low 9 (10-220)

>

> Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between

> all these iron

> measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely

> out of range, do

> I really need to take iron? What do they

> differentially indicate?

>

> Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)

> Cholesterol 112

> LDL 42

> HDL 60

> Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)

>

> B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)

> folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)

> (these are what they are saying I should supplement

> with the high

> homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if

> these are normal?)

>

> 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no

> avoidance or

> supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

>

> Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range:

> 90-360 ng/ml)

> Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what

> does high mean?

> Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my

> diabetic

> friends or what?

>

> Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine

> level from

> anyone.

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi, Duramater.

***See my comments at the asterisks:

>

> Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:

>

> Just got some test results back and I'm curious what you all

think.

> I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine (and a little

> nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems). What do you

> know about these things (and the doc threw in the Vit D stuff on

his

> own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe recurrence of

Lyme

> disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly positive

> Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).

>

> Iron Stuff

> TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)

> Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)

> % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)

> Ferritin low 9 (10-220)

>

> Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between all these iron

> measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely out of range,

do

> I really need to take iron? What do they differentially indicate?

***Ferritin is a measure of stored iron. It is the most sensitive

indicator of iron deficiency and responds first as iron deficiency

develops. A value below 10 mg per 100 ml is diagnostic of iron

deficiency anemia. Your value does suggest that you need to take

some iron. (The " Iron " parameter measures total iron bound in the

blood. TIBC is a measure of all proteins available for binding

mobile iron in the blood. Transferrin represents the largest

quantity of iron-binding proteins. " % Fe Sat " is a measure of the

percent of mobile iron-binding proteins that are saturated with

iron.)

>

> Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)

> Cholesterol 112

> LDL 42

> HDL 60

> Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)

>

> B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)

> folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)

> (these are what they are saying I should supplement with the high

> homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if these are normal?)

***If you have mutations in certain genes, for example the MTHFR

gene, you can have normal levels of folate and B12, and still have

elevated homocysteine. You might try supplementing with B12, folic

acid and trimethylglycine (also called betaine). The latter will

support an alternate pathway for completing the methionine cycle.

>

> 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance or

> supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

***I don't understand this well enough to comment.

>

> Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range: 90-360 ng/ml)

> Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what does high mean?

> Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my diabetic

> friends or what?

***IGF-1 is made by the liver and is an indicator of your rate of

secretion of human growth hormone by the pituitary gland. There are

several things that can cause this to be elevated. Some of them are

problems with the pituitary gland, such as gigantism or acromegaly;

stress; major surgery; hypoglycemia; starvation; increased deep-

state sleep; and exercise. More information would be needed to

narrow down to the cause in your case.

>

> Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine level from

> anyone.

Rich

[Guest guest]

Don't know if you have a yeast infection or not but yeast does feed on iron & Candida is common as a primary cause of CFS. & secondary to bacterial CFS.anyway some info on the subject ,

Microbiology. 2003 Mar;149(Pt 3):579-88. Related Articles, Links Haemin uptake and use as an iron source by Candida albicans: role of CaHMX1-encoded haem oxygenase.Santos R, Buisson N, Knight S, Dancis A, Camadro JM, Lesuisse E.Laboratoire d'Ingenierie des Proteines et Controle Metabolique, Institut Jacques Monod, Tour 43, Universite Paris 6/Paris 7, 2 Place Jussieu, 75251 Paris cedex 05, France.Candida albicans, unlike Saccharomyces cerevisiae, was able to use extracellular haemin as an iron source. Haemin uptake kinetics by C. albicans cells showed two phases: a rapid phase of haemin binding (with a K(d) of about 0.2 microM) followed by a slower uptake phase. Both phases were strongly induced in iron-deficient cells compared to iron-rich cells. Haemin uptake did not depend on the previously characterized reductive iron uptake system and siderophore uptake system. CaHMX1, encoding a putative haem oxygenase, was shown to be required for iron assimilation from haemin. A double DeltaCahmx1 mutant was constructed. This mutant could not grow with haemin as the sole iron source, although haemin uptake was not affected. The three different iron uptake systems (reductive, siderophore and haemin) were regulated independently and in a complex manner. CaHMX1 expression was induced by iron deprivation, by haemin and by a shift of temperature from 30 to 37 degrees C. CaHMX1 expression was strongly deregulated in a Deltaefg1 mutant but not in a Deltatup1 mutant. C. albicans colonies forming on agar plates with haemin as the sole iron source showed a very unusual morphology. Colonies were made up of tubular structures that were organized into a complex network. The effect of haemin on filamentation was increased in the double DeltaCahmx1 mutant. This study provides the first experimental evidence that haem oxygenase is required for iron assimilation from haem by a pathogenic fungus.PMID: 12634327 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]: Microbiology. 2002 Jan;148(Pt 1):29-40. Related Articles, Links Reductive iron uptake by Candida albicans: role of copper, iron and the TUP1 regulator.Knight SA, Lesuisse E, Stearman R, Klausner RD, Dancis A.Department of Medicine, Division of Hematology-Oncology, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA 19104, USA.High-affinity iron uptake by a ferrous permease in the opportunistic pathogen Candida albicans is required for virulence. Here this iron uptake system has been characterized by investigating three distinct activities: an externally directed surface ferric reductase, a membrane-associated PPD (p-phenylenediamine) oxidase and a cellular ferrous iron transport activity. Copper was required for the PPD oxidase and ferrous transport activities. In contrast, copper was not required for iron uptake from siderophores. Addition of iron to the growth medium repressed ferric reductase and ferrous transport, indicating homeostatic regulation. To identify the genes involved, orthologous mutants of Saccharomyces cerevisiae were transformed with a genomic library of C. albicans. CFL95, a gene with sequence similarity to ferric reductases, restored reductase activity to the orthologous S. cerevisiae mutant. CaFTR2 and CaFTR1, genes with homology to ferrous permeases, conferred ferrous transport activity to the orthologous S. cerevisiae mutant. However, neither a genomic library nor CaFET99, a multicopper oxidase homologue and candidate gene for the PPD oxidase, complemented the S. cerevisiae mutant, possibly because of problems with targeting or assembly. Transcripts for CFL95, CaFTR1 and CaFET99 were strongly repressed by iron, whereas the CaFTR2 transcript was induced by iron. Deletion of the TUP1 regulator perturbed the homeostatic control of reductive iron uptake. Incidentally, iron starvation was noted to induce flavin production and this was misregulated in the absence of TUP1 control. The opposite regulation of two iron permease genes and the role of TUP1 indicate that the process of iron acquisition by C. albicans may be more complex and potentially more adaptable than by S. cerevisiae.PMID: 11782496 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]-----Original Message-----From: dona8232 [mailto:donna8232@...]Sent: 30 August 2004 01:11marshallprotocol Subject: [marshallprotocol] Some observations - please commentMost of us CFSers have yeast problems. I noticed that when formulawith iron added was given to my g-daughter, she had a diaper rashwithin hours. The rash was controlled with Nystatin cream - A & Detc did nothing. When returned to the formula without iron, the rashdisappeared & didn't return until Amox. was given for earinfections. Does the iron feed the candida? Many pregnant womenget yeast infections & there is a higher amount of iron in pre-natalvitamins. I was given several iron shots at about age 14 foranemia. Is there a connection here. For years our foods have beenfortified with additional vitamins that a few may need. Somehow ithas been deemed by the food industry that what is good for some isneeded by all. What effect does the Vit D have on the candida? When my small dog got what ended up being a systemic yeastinfection, she lost over 3/4 of her hair before it killed her amonth later. She was old, but in seemingly good health beforehand. Is hair loss (thinning) point to a possible yeast infection?

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of rvankonynenSent: 26 April 2005 19:56infections Subject: [infections] Re: Baseline Test Results - what do you kids think?Hi, Duramater.***See my comments at the asterisks:> > Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:> > Just got some test results back and I'm curious what you all think. > I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine (and a little > nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems). What do you > know about these things (and the doc threw in the Vit D stuff on his > own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe recurrence of Lyme > disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly positive > Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).> > Iron Stuff> TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)> Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)> % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)> Ferritin low 9 (10-220)> > Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between all these iron > measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely out of range, do > I really need to take iron? What do they differentially indicate?***Ferritin is a measure of stored iron. It is the most sensitive indicator of iron deficiency and responds first as iron deficiency develops. A value below 10 mg per 100 ml is diagnostic of iron deficiency anemia. Your value does suggest that you need to take some iron. (The "Iron" parameter measures total iron bound in the blood. TIBC is a measure of all proteins available for binding mobile iron in the blood. Transferrin represents the largest quantity of iron-binding proteins. "% Fe Sat" is a measure of the percent of mobile iron-binding proteins that are saturated with iron.) > > Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)> Cholesterol 112> LDL 42> HDL 60> Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)> > B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)> folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)> (these are what they are saying I should supplement with the high > homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if these are normal?)***If you have mutations in certain genes, for example the MTHFR gene, you can have normal levels of folate and B12, and still have elevated homocysteine. You might try supplementing with B12, folic acid and trimethylglycine (also called betaine). The latter will support an alternate pathway for completing the methionine cycle. > > 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)> 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)> [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance or > supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]***I don't understand this well enough to comment.> > Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range: 90-360 ng/ml)> Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what does high mean? > Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my diabetic > friends or what?***IGF-1 is made by the liver and is an indicator of your rate of secretion of human growth hormone by the pituitary gland. There are several things that can cause this to be elevated. Some of them are problems with the pituitary gland, such as gigantism or acromegaly; stress; major surgery; hypoglycemia; starvation; increased deep-state sleep; and exercise. More information would be needed to narrow down to the cause in your case.> > Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine level from > anyone.Rich

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for sharing these results, DM!

I think and Rich have got it right about the homocysteine.

I feel blabbier than usual today, and its been ages since I went

after the Unnameable Protocolic, so I will take on this part:

1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance or

> supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

I don't think we can infer anything from these numbers for certain,

but here's my best shot:

1) According to Lemiere, energetic conversion of 25-D to 1,25-D at

inflammation sites is self-protective

2) Since your 1,25-D on the high side of the range, but your 25-D is

on the low side, we might surmise that your body is energetically

converting 25-D to 1,25-D to limit inflammation

3) According to virtually EVERYone who's looked at the studies

carefully, 1,25-D is powerful medicine against immune-driven

inflammation, but to get to the effective level for healing as

opposed to preventing disease is impossible. Why? Because the level

of 1,25-D required is so high, your body shuts it off to protect you

from hypercalcemia.

4) You aren't there yet. Your 1,25-D could be a bit higher without

causing hypercalcemia. Why not take a little more D? I am NOT

suggesting it will cure you, only that it might help get your immune

system more focused on attacking bugs, rather that attacking your

brilliant Duramater self.

5) As far as Th1 vs Th2, applied to Lyme, forget all about the

Engineer. We have bonafide Lyme researches working on that. And what

they appear to me to be saying goes like this:

6) If the bugs have their way, your immune system will spend all its

energy waging a pointless, self-defeating battle against a target it

can't see, damaging your body in the process.

This is because the outer surface proteins of Borrelia burgdorferi

act directly on macrophages, forcing them to secrete cytokines that

foster inflammation rather than effective antibody formation.

7) I don't anyone can quantify the effect at this point, but in

general 1,25-D strengthens macrophage FUNCTION [good for antibody

development] while limiting immune INFLAMMATION [also good for

antibody development, and might even cause a person to feel better].

Pope scha says: It's D-lightful, D-lovely, and in many forms its

ever so D-licious, so when in doubt (and using your uncommonly

strong common sense as your guide) why not add a little D to your

life?

On the other hand, if you think you might have Sarcoidosis, I might

recommend sticking with your current 'don't fix what ain't broke'

regimen.

My two cents (adjusted for inflation).

>

> Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:

>

> Just got some test results back and I'm curious what you all

think.

> I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine (and a little

> nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems). What do you

> know about these things (and the doc threw in the Vit D stuff on

his

> own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe recurrence of

Lyme

> disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly positive

> Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).

>

> Iron Stuff

> TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)

> Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)

> % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)

> Ferritin low 9 (10-220)

>

> Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between all these iron

> measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely out of range,

do

> I really need to take iron? What do they differentially indicate?

>

> Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)

> Cholesterol 112

> LDL 42

> HDL 60

> Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)

>

> B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)

> folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)

> (these are what they are saying I should supplement with the high

> homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if these are normal?)

>

> 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance or

> supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

>

> Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range: 90-360 ng/ml)

> Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what does high mean?

> Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my diabetic

> friends or what?

>

> Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine level from

> anyone.

[Guest guest]

Hey Pope isimus XIV:

A few comments/Q's embedded in your thoughts...marked with ****

> >

> > Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:

> >

> > Just got some test results back and I'm curious what you all

> think.

> > I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine (and a little

> > nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems). What do you

> > know about these things (and the doc threw in the Vit D stuff on

> his

> > own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe recurrence of

> Lyme

> > disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly positive

> > Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).

> >

> > Iron Stuff

> > TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)

> > Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)

> > % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)

> > Ferritin low 9 (10-220)

> >

> > Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between all these iron

> > measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely out of range,

> do

> > I really need to take iron? What do they differentially

indicate?

> >

> > Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)

> > Cholesterol 112

> > LDL 42

> > HDL 60

> > Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)

> >

> > B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)

> > folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)

> > (these are what they are saying I should supplement with the

high

> > homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if these are

normal?)

> >

> > 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> > 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> > [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance

or

> > supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

> >

> > Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range: 90-360 ng/ml)

> > Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what does high

mean?

> > Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my diabetic

> > friends or what?

> >

> > Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine level from

> > anyone.

[Guest guest]

Blessings upon you, oh Duramaterous One,

Not to worry, the misogynists and homophobes (who, conveniently for

the rest of us, turn out to be one and the same) are slated for a

serious purge (and I'm not talkin' metamucil!)...I've arranged for a

little something to be added to the holy water, but don't tell.

As to your very D-scerning questions, here are my thoughts:

1) Cancel my advice about D supplementing, I don't think that's good

advice to give someone with a family history of Sarcoidosis. You may

end up being well-advised to do it, but...let's take some extra

steps to think through that.

2) I didn't mean 42 was high, only that it was nearly two thirds of

the way down the range from 14-62 or whatever it was (yep, forgot

already!). I am persuaded that for most of us the lab ranges are too

low.

3) Hypercalcemia is bad because you don't want calcium clogging up

blood vessels or lodging in organs. Now for the tricky part:

a) 80% of hypercalemia is caused by excess parathyroid hormone

Hyperactive parathyroid glands can be due to a physical problem

with the gland (pretty common, and probably similar in etiology to

other glandular disorders) or it can be due to too LITTLE 1,25-D.

c) That leaves 20% of hypercalcemia due to other causes.

d) One (rare) cause of hypercalcemia is too MUCH 1,25-D. There are

subsets of the population where this is more common, and one of

these is patients with Sarcoidosis.

e) According to Lemiere, in Sarcoidosis there are two things

happening, both of which are required before hypercalcemia due to

excess 1,25-D can occur: energetic conversion of 25-D to 1,25-D (not

problematic in itself) and an enzymatic failure to convert excess

1,25-D back into its precursor.

f) I don't think they know why the enzymatic failure occurs. It

could be that this partly reflects a genetic disposition. In which

case, even if you don't have Sarcoidosis, you might have the

vulnerability to 1,25-D-induced hypercalcemia.

So, how would you know?

Well, Barb Peck might have some insight on that. If I recall

correctly, she too has a parent with Sarcoidosis, and Barb found

that she felt better if she avoided sun and certain foods that are

rich in D.

Maybe if she elaborated, you'd pick up on something similar that is

true for you. Or maybe you don't have this problem at all. But I

would not supplement with any D until we figure that out.

Alas, Pope scha is not infallible! However, I do my best to be

honest.

If you do turn out to have this problem, then I would recommend

seriously considering Barb's HCQ regimen. It has a double advantage,

if you can tolerate it, because HCQ both adjusts the immune system

away from inflamation (like 1,25-D) and limits the conversion of 25-

D to 1,25-D (it's discussed in the literature as a side-effect).

Jeesh, I think I've confused us both.

Barb Peck, you are being paged, you gorgeous creature! We need your

radiant intellect!

Note for all the other boys and girls:

Pope scha believes the D variation is quite rare. We Lymies

suffer from practically everything in the book of Job, but we do not

have a reputation for hypercalcemia.

Remember, human beings have spent most of their biological evolution

naked in the sun. It is a little kookoo to think a genetic defect

that makes sunlight horribly debilitating is common among us.

And Lyme, like MS, is very common at latitudes where there is so

little sun that the during much of the year we don't sythesize any

vitamin D at all. Take that, you Unnameable Protocolic, you!

Also, it takes a real wing-nut to believe that chronically ill

people, who hardly ever get out of the house, are staying ill from

excess sun exposure.

Pope scha says: forget the Engineer, listen to Barb Peck. If it

makes you feel better, Barb will put on a bald-wig and a mustard

yellow dress shirt. She will not, however, poke your sensitive parts

with her therapeutic probe.

{Barb, c'mon, you promised!)

OK, da Pope is done. Say 20 'Hey, !'s and call me in the morning.

> > >

> > > Hey all you Bobs & Bettys:

> > >

> > > Just got some test results back and I'm curious what you all

> > think.

> > > I'm particularly taken aback by the homocysteine (and a little

> > > nervous given my cardiac and circulation problems). What do

you

> > > know about these things (and the doc threw in the Vit D stuff

on

> > his

> > > own!). I've not yet begun treatment for a severe recurrence

of

> > Lyme

> > > disease (recently positive IgM Western blot, weakly positive

> > > Babesios (never tested for co-infections before)).

> > >

> > > Iron Stuff

> > > TIBC normal 337 (range: 152-496)

> > > Iron normal 100 (range: 40-150)

> > > % Fe Sat normal 30 (range: 15-50)

> > > Ferritin low 9 (10-220)

> > >

> > > Hey, do any of you smarties know the diff between all these

iron

> > > measures? If 3/4 are normal and the 4th is barely out of

range,

> > do

> > > I really need to take iron? What do they differentially

> indicate?

> > >

> > > Homocysteine high 21.9 (range: <13.9)

> > > Cholesterol 112

> > > LDL 42

> > > HDL 60

> > > Triglycerides 48 (all lovely if I do say so myself)

> > >

> > > B12 normal 618 (range: 200-1100 pg/ml)

> > > folate normal 5.6 (range: >3.4)

> > > (these are what they are saying I should supplement with the

> high

> > > homocysteine, but how can that be the problem if these are

> normal?)

> > >

> > > 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> > > 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> > > [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance

> or

> > > supplementation; implications for Lyme as Th1???]

> > >

> > > Insulin-like growth factor 1: high 415 (range: 90-360 ng/ml)

> > > Anybody know what the heck this is???? And what does high

> mean?

> > > Should I be growing some islets of Langerhans for my diabetic

> > > friends or what?

> > >

> > > Anyway, would love some info about that homocysteine level

from

> > > anyone.

[Guest guest]

--- In infections , " duramater27 " > > >

> > 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> > > 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> > > [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance o

> > >

> **** Just curious, why is 42 high when the range is 15-60? Not

> middle of the road?

Actually, your results are just what the MP is looking at. Very

typical of sarcoidosis, in fact.

You could post your results and questions in the preliminary results

section of marshallprotocol.com. They will explain the levels and

calcium relationship from a viewpoint different than you will find

here. It's hard to make a choice when you don't even know the options.

Also, I would like to hear their response to the homocystene levels.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Hi, Duramater.

Gregg, Ph.D., has come up with effective treatments for both

Crohn's and ulcerative colitis (http://www.krysalis.net Click

on " Crohn's, " ). My father-in-law was one for whom they worked. I've

known one other personally who was helped. Over-the-counter, fast

acting (within one hour for those for whom the DMSO treatment works).

I kid you not. Check it out. His testimonials are for real.

Rich

My dad had sarcoidosis a few years back and was

> treated with prednisone and did just fine. Of course, now he has

> horrible colitis (no one can ascertain whether it is Crohn's or

> ulcerative, everything that discriminates between the two is

> borderline). He's been relatively unresponsive to every colitis

> drug there is (MP-6, colazol, remicade, etc) except prednisone. I

> recently showed him some data re: antibiotic efficacy. The he asked

> about it and his new gut doc put him on cipro, which ended up being

> bad news in the GI dept for him. Today the gut doc changed it to

> flagyl.

[Guest guest]

They don't recommend even testing the level do they?

Generic answer will be: any test level out of range will

normalize when health is regained. Duh.Gag me.

Barb

Ken wrote:

I would like to hear their response to the homocystene levels.

Ken

>

> --- In infections , " duramater27 " >

> >

> > > 1,25 Vit D: normal 42 (range 15-60 pg/ml)

> > > > 25 Vit D: low 12 (range 20-100 ng/ml)

> > > > [take that MP boy! these are normal and LOW with no avoidance

o

> > > >

>

> > **** Just curious, why is 42 high when the range is 15-60? Not

> > middle of the road?

>

> Actually, your results are just what the MP is looking at. Very

> typical of sarcoidosis, in fact.

>

> You could post your results and questions in the preliminary

results

> section of marshallprotocol.com. They will explain the levels and

> calcium relationship from a viewpoint different than you will find

> here. It's hard to make a choice when you don't even know the

options.

> Also, I would like to hear their response to the homocystene levels.

>

> Ken