Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hi Has anyone experienced a patient getting acne as a result of smilax or kelp? I saw a patient today who is feeling much better but now has quite bad acne on her chin which she believes is a result of the medicine I gave her. Those were the only 2 new herbs in her mix and she has never suffered with acne before.... Bartram says to avoid kelp in acne due to the iodine but I am not sure why this would be. Any ideas? Thanks Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Could it be a detox reaction? Kelp and Smilax both have a cleansing action, so maybe its a good sign? I bet it the spots will go a away in a few weeks if she sticks with it. Id want to know if her bowel movements have increased or her periods have got heavier, and Id make sure all the channels of elimination were open. What was her initial complaint? Riddell wrote: Hi Has anyone experienced a patient getting acne as a result of smilax or kelp? I saw a patient today who is feeling much better but now has quite bad acne on her chin which she believes is a result of the medicine I gave her. Those were the only 2 new herbs in her mix and she has never suffered with acne before.... Bartram says to avoid kelp in acne due to the iodine but I am not sure why this would be. Any ideas? Thanks Jean List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hi Smilax has a reputation of being a pituitary stimulant (leading to increased testosterone and progesterone levels - when I trained there was actually some doubt about what was the exact nature of the hormonal action of Smilax), so it could be the culprit? Newton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Dear , I have heard of many herbalists using Smilax to treat acne. Also , I have not seen any clinical research into the physiological actions of Smilax. So its actions are speculative. It is known that not all forms of testosterone have the same physiological action, or, that they all act on the same cells, as is the case with the prostate, where 5-di-hydro testosterone is the main culprit, and not testosterone, in BHP. Just some thoughts. Emmett Walsh Re: acne > > Hi > Smilax has a reputation of being a pituitary stimulant > (leading to increased testosterone and progesterone > levels - when I trained there was actually some doubt > about what was the exact nature of the hormonal action > of Smilax), so it could be the culprit? > Newton > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hi Emmett, I agree about Smilax's speculative actions - I suppose I was only speculating further. In fact testosterone blood levels are poor predictors of the severity of acne, so it is obviously only a part of the picture. I think acne, like eczema, is a symptom of many different scenarios. A good example is pregnancy during which some women develop acne whilst others' acne clears beautifully, yet both groups experience roughly the same hormonal change i.e. massive increase in progesterone level etc. It would be interesting to see if anybody has a good strategy to treat acne with herbs in a way that produces a sustained improvement after the herbs have been stopped. Best wishes --- Markie Walsh wrote: --------------------------------- Dear , I have heard of many herbalists using Smilax to treat acne. Also , I have not seen any clinical research into the physiological actions of Smilax. So its actions are speculative. It is known that not all forms of testosterone have the same physiological action, or, that they all act on the same cells, as is the case with the prostate, where 5-di-hydro testosterone is the main culprit, and not testosterone, in BHP. Just some thoughts. Emmett Walsh Re: acne > > Hi > Smilax has a reputation of being a pituitary stimulant > (leading to increased testosterone and progesterone > levels - when I trained there was actually some doubt > about what was the exact nature of the hormonal action > of Smilax), so it could be the culprit? > Newton > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Dear , An important factor in hormone metabolism is the inter=relatiuonships between the hormones, and the most important criteria here is the ratios between the hormones. This can explain why a rel raised testosterone level in one person may represent normality in another, with eg, acne possibily resulting .Hormone physiology is also unique to each person, with very wide variations between people. What is considered " normal " hormone levels in one person , can result in pathology in another. Liver function is another important factor in reproductive hormone physiology , as the liver seems to come under pressure in dealing with even moderately raised levels. Yet another confounding factor in repro. horm. phys. is the interconversion of all the hormones , where u have oestrogen-prog-testosterone interconversion. Hormone phys is very complex , and is not really understood by science. The herbs , with the unique property of " amphorterism " , do a very good job in dealing with this complexity. Emmett Walsh Original Message ----- To: <ukherbal-list > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: Re: acne > Hi Emmett, > I agree about Smilax's speculative actions - I > suppose I was only speculating further. In fact > testosterone blood levels are poor predictors of the > severity of acne, so it is obviously only a part of > the picture. I think acne, like eczema, is a symptom > of many different scenarios. A good example is > pregnancy during which some women develop acne whilst > others' acne clears beautifully, yet both groups > experience roughly the same hormonal change i.e. > massive increase in progesterone level etc. It would > be interesting to see if anybody has a good strategy > to treat acne with herbs in a way that produces a > sustained improvement after the herbs have been > stopped. > Best wishes > > > > --- Markie Walsh wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > > Dear , > I have heard of many herbalists using Smilax to treat > acne. Also , I have > not seen any clinical research into the physiological > actions of Smilax. > So its actions are speculative. It is known that not > all forms of > testosterone have the same physiological action, or, > that they all act on > the same cells, as is the case with the prostate, > where 5-di-hydro > testosterone is the main culprit, and not > testosterone, in BHP. Just some > thoughts. > > Emmett Walsh > > > Re: acne > > > > > > Hi > > Smilax has a reputation of being a pituitary > stimulant > > (leading to increased testosterone and progesterone > > levels - when I trained there was actually some > doubt > > about what was the exact nature of the hormonal > action > > of Smilax), so it could be the culprit? > > Newton > > > > > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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