Re: Place Dreams/Same place....

[Guest guest]

<< Always in the dreams in this

series,somewhere in the dream... the fish are floating above and out of

my fish tank and I wonder how they fly through the air, out of the

water! I use to panic and try to gather them all up and put them back in

water, but the last few times this dream has come up, I just watch them

float above the tank and only occasionally have to gather a stray fishie

here and there..(VBG) Any thoughts? >>

,

For some reason I love fish dreams. Have had many myself, always connected

with " deep waters of the soul. " And the fact that yours are floating above

the water is a fascinating symbolic representation. Please allow me to quote

a few lines from 's FISHER KING & THE HANDLESS MAIDEN on this

rich symbolism:

" The term fisher king is appropriate since the young prince is so much

associated with fish; first he is wounded by a fish (the unlawful taking of

consciousness, which was called the fruit of the forbidden tree in the Adam

and Eve story), then he is partly relieved of his suffering while fishing.

To fish in this sense is to do one's inner work...Even such mundane things as

gardening and getting a 'runners high' are fishing in this sense since they

put one in contact with the inner world. Fishing is a fisher king's only

balm to his aching wound. "

He further elaborates on other aspects of this image and importance of

completing the project begun and only partially/ and unsuccessfully completed

by the wounded fisher king in this myth.

But the underlying motif of the fish seems associated with those aspects with

the unconc which need to be explored and to be integrated. If this had been

my dream, I might ask myself if my exposing my " fish " within to the dryness

of the air (consciousness) has a bit of danger to it too. Perhaps I am

trying to catch the fish and put them back into the unconc waters from which

they have come so as not to kill them or dry them out. Or perhaps it is

sensing the dangers inherent in letting them out in the first place.

Interesting image. How do you relate to it ?

Greg

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I've had tornado dreams all my life. One minor point, consciousness of the

threat of tornados is a part of the collective psyche here in " tornado

alley " . I would expect most people to have tornado dreams from time to time.

Apart from that, there might be some interesting associations to this image,

i.e., wind, breath, spirit in the Greek (pneuma), the storm god- father,

male, animus energy (not necessarily negative), phallus, war (the aftermath

can look like bomb destruction), etc., etc.

Gene Baker (living not a great distance from you)

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<< I try to make it

interesting by changing the rocks and plants around, etc.(VBG) >>

(and all interested) I have a turtle. The several times I've had to

move her space, and she's always in a window to get her Vitamin D, she stays

hauled out for several days, re-orienting herself to her new environment.

She mostly stays in her " hide " I've provided. I have a lot of greenery --

leafy plants -- around the outside of the aquarium thinking it maybe makes

her more comfortable. Her name is Sweet Pea and I've had her for 19 years.

Have no idea how old she is.

smiling,

phoebe

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In a message dated 6/6/2000 9:40:03 AM Central Daylight Time,

aarmstrongs@... writes:

<< I am

curious about your reference to tornado dreams perhaps being a

representation of the animus...can you elaborate, please? Do you see the

anima as analogous too >>

Hi, ,

I hope this isn't too far fetched, because I've really enjoyed others'

associations here.

This comes out of ancient Greek: the same word, pneuma is used for wind,

breath, spirit. " The wind blows where it wills " . The Greek use in the New

Testament is taken from the Hebrew Bible's use of the word, " ruach " (Hebrew)

which (I believe) has a masculine connotation. Interesting, the association

of Holy Spirit with the feminine in the Eastern church, and with the figure

of Sophia. I think there's been a lot of discussion about that here.

Anyway, this image of animus is very dynamic (as in " dynamis), and is hard to

pin down.

Gene

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Dear Greg,

You gave me some very important symbolism to consider, thank you.I will

never know the meaning of the dream, I'm afraid. It's just one of those

dreams that seem to repeat themselves once or twice a year for as long

as I can remember.I have always kept a fish tank going since collage.

The dream seems to reflect a need for change. Often wonder about the

poor fish swimming around and around the same space. I try to make it

interesting by changing the rocks and plants around, etc.(VBG)This fish

I have now is huge (an african ciclid). Have had him for about 5-6

years. He's all alone,too big for anything that i might find at a fish

store to keep him company and has a curious habit of spitting rocks at

the sides of the tank when he's hungry..it's the funniest thing you ever

saw! He's big(4-5 inches)and blue and more than once I have brought him

back from the jaws of death. Perhaps I should contact the aquarium at

the zoo and give him a new home? I have thought about this on more than

one occasion.

Thanks for the fisher king stuff... is a

favorite.Yes...the dream really does bring up a sense of wanting to

escape confines of the psyche. The old adage, 'a fish out of water'

comes to mind and the fish in this series of dreams love being out of

water..they float around free and easy. Spirit comes to mind... " free

spirit " ....thanks again for playing with me in the sand box of this

image. Love, mary

marshkan@... wrote:

>

>

>

> << Always in the dreams in this

> series,somewhere in the dream... the fish are floating above and out of

> my fish tank and I wonder how they fly through the air, out of the

> water! I use to panic and try to gather them all up and put them back in

> water, but the last few times this dream has come up, I just watch them

> float above the tank and only occasionally have to gather a stray fishie

> here and there..(VBG) Any thoughts? >>

>

> ,

>

> For some reason I love fish dreams. Have had many myself, always connected

> with " deep waters of the soul. " And the fact that yours are floating above

> the water is a fascinating symbolic representation. Please allow me to quote

> a few lines from 's FISHER KING & THE HANDLESS MAIDEN on this

> rich symbolism:

>

> " The term fisher king is appropriate since the young prince is so much

> associated with fish; first he is wounded by a fish (the unlawful taking of

> consciousness, which was called the fruit of the forbidden tree in the Adam

> and Eve story), then he is partly relieved of his suffering while fishing.

> To fish in this sense is to do one's inner work...Even such mundane things as

> gardening and getting a 'runners high' are fishing in this sense since they

> put one in contact with the inner world. Fishing is a fisher king's only

> balm to his aching wound. "

>

> He further elaborates on other aspects of this image and importance of

> completing the project begun and only partially/ and unsuccessfully completed

> by the wounded fisher king in this myth.

>

> But the underlying motif of the fish seems associated with those aspects with

> the unconc which need to be explored and to be integrated. If this had been

> my dream, I might ask myself if my exposing my " fish " within to the dryness

> of the air (consciousness) has a bit of danger to it too. Perhaps I am

> trying to catch the fish and put them back into the unconc waters from which

> they have come so as not to kill them or dry them out. Or perhaps it is

> sensing the dangers inherent in letting them out in the first place.

> Interesting image. How do you relate to it ?

>

> Greg

>

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Dear Gene,

When I get back to F.W. and settled, I want to come to your church one

sunday...OK? The tornado dreams that I have, seem to always come BEFORE

an outer event in which being 'centered' will be very difficult. I had

one of these dreams a few years ago, a few months before my beloved

grandmother passed away. The dream usually involves me trying to protect

a loved one, usually my son...sometimes my whole extended family.The one

about my granny:In the dream, we were at the hospital and looked out the

window and saw the storm coming. I was trying to get my whole family to

a safe place and found this room under the hospital, a long corridor

with doors at each end leading outside.It was a disturbing dream,

because I had to choose between saving my granny or my son. After

getting my son to shelter,I was coming back up to get her to a safe

place, but it hit before I could reach her. It was terrible and I knew

she was gone in the dream. Woke up all disturbed and a few days later I

got the call that my grandmother had a bad fall, so I went to Miss.to

see her. She was in a bad way. The strangest part of it all,one day

while visiting the hospital, I walked outside for some fresh air. Around

the back of the place;I saw this little door on the side of the

building. It was ajar, so I peeked in and it was EXACTLY like my dream.

A long corridor under ground just like where I had gathered my family

during the tornado dream! Granny never fully recovered from this

fall(she was 93) and a few months later, she died peacefully at home one

morning. Most of the responsibility for her burial arrangements and

settling her estate fell on my shoulders, as she had named me her

executrix. So,it did require being in the 'eye of the storm' and

protecting my family in a sense. I had to keep it together, while it all

seemed to be falling apart. I have written about my granny many times

around here...she was the apple of my eye and we were VERY close.

Sometimes, I think she really made me her executrix as a way to 'protect

me' in a strange way. She knew I would need something to 'focus' on

during my grief. Sorry to go on here..it's depressing, forgive me all! I

just loved her so very much and miss her sweet presence.

Back to tornado dreams...they seem to echo a sense of staying 'centered'

during the chaotic storms of the psyche. The 'Self' as a constant center

to the swirling manifestations of ego,archetype, animus/anima? I am

curious about your reference to tornado dreams perhaps being a

representation of the animus...can you elaborate, please? Do you see the

anima as analogous too? Would love to hear your thoughts on this in more

depth. Love,

oldmrgrace@... wrote:

>

> Dear ,

>

> I've had tornado dreams all my life. One minor point, consciousness of the

> threat of tornados is a part of the collective psyche here in " tornado

> alley " . I would expect most people to have tornado dreams from time to time.

> Apart from that, there might be some interesting associations to this image,

> i.e., wind, breath, spirit in the Greek (pneuma), the storm god- father,

> male, animus energy (not necessarily negative), phallus, war (the aftermath

> can look like bomb destruction), etc., etc.

>

> Gene Baker (living not a great distance from you)

>

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<< " The wind blows where it wills " . The Greek use in the New

Testament is taken from the Hebrew Bible's use of the word, " ruach " (Hebrew)

which (I believe) has a masculine connotation. Interesting, the association

of Holy Spirit with the feminine in the Eastern church, and with the figure

of Sophia. >>

Also the German word Rauch means smoke,vapor. The German for Rausch (also

masculine) means intoxication, delerium, frenzy.

Greg

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Gene,

> This comes out of ancient Greek: the same word, pneuma is used for wind,

> breath, spirit. " The wind blows where it wills " . The Greek use in the New

> Testament is taken from the Hebrew Bible's use of the word, " ruach " (Hebrew)

> which (I believe) has a masculine connotation.

>

Ruach is feminine -- I think appropriately.

Speaking of which, for any of you religious types, I just did the

Pentecost pages for my parish. Check the poem (which actually is part

of a song) -- there's a link on the bottom half of the home page that

says A Poem for Pentecost.

http://www.saintaidan.org/

Pneumatically,

Marilyn