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May 25, 2000

<< why DID Jung stop at certain limits of interpretation? I

know his own answer was that he was a 'scientist and a

physician', but what is the general feeling of the group as to the

real reasons? There were always certain limits - often admitted by

him as the logical next step - beyond which he dared not pass...

Another question being, do we, and - if so- how? >>

Like you, I'm still here, just busy with springtime family activities. It is

always a bit hectic for us in May.

Good questions Mike. I have asked myself these before - never found an

answer.

I suspect that Jung felt a strong need, both emotionally as a committed man

of science, to remain, as far as he could, inside the strictures of the

scientific community. And it is doubtful that he would have received

honorary degrees from Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, etc. had he deviated from

this. But his inquiry touched on so many different subject areas, some of

which were clearly outside the realm of the hard sciences (e.g. Answer to Job

is pretty close to theology and did elicite the negative responses of some in

the religious community because it was) that a degree of conflict was

unavoidable. Lets face it, the whole subject of the " Objective Psyche " or

the unconscious, so central to his unique view of the total (including the

unknowable) psyche, is what distinguished him from the other ego-based

psychologists of his day. And, frankly, it is this very element of his view

of reality which so powerfully draws the likes of me to him. He was willing

to go where the discovery of the psyche led him, even if it was borderline

scientific or unpopular. Thank God for his courage and intuition. And even

now, as modern neurophysiology is confirming many of his theories (most

notably is now well-known typology)

we can see from a new scientific perspective what he could only theorize from

observation of patients and their dreams over 50 years of practice.

As to whether we dare go further, well why not. And I think that the latest

generations of " Jungians " are pressing those boundaries further out. We

might wish to discuss some of them here.

Greg

May 25, 2000

<< This list has always been set up so that it accepts no attached

files of any nature. >>

Mike -- I thought that was egroups policy... no attachments have ever come

through on any of my lists there. Yet there are frequent notices about

deletions.

Ya learn something every ay.

best,

phoebe

May 25, 2000

Well, for myself it has to do with finding a new career or recovering

the fragments of an old one... France Telecom no longer does in-

house training and both Vera and I were involved in that, but - in

terms of " deep thoughts " (IF one IS at all capable of same) - a

question is: why DID Jung stop at certain limits of interpretation? I

know his own answer was that he was a 'scientist and a

physician', but what is the general feeling of the group as to the

real reasons? There were always certain limits - often admitted by

him as the logical next step - beyond which he dared not pass...

Another question being, do we, and - if so- how?

m

May 25, 2000

>Please somebody post(G)! Any

> deep thoughts,anyone? Or shallow ones(G)...anything!! Love,

Ok. , here is a little though.

As we conquer and tame our most awsome and primordial

energies through the alchemical process, the beast, our dragon

becomes our loyal allie and strenght in our most Noble Quest.

( See attached picture ) I love this one.

Steve Kalec

May 25, 2000

> Thank God for his courage and intuition.

*Amen.

And yet...

Thanks for this beginning of a reply... Might WELL be a good idea

to look and see if there really IS any boundary-pushing/

For those of us who wonder at my reasons for asking such

'heretical' questions, let me put it this way: It intrigues me equally

that much of recent science has simply been checking over the

work of Einstein et others of his ilk, rather than a basing of oneself

upon them for the inevitabe leap forward (*knowing*, without the

slightest doubt, that it would take a hundred years or more for

such 'awareness' to reach the - be it said: totally imaginary - 'man

in the street', i. e., you and me)... Surely we have been at that

juncture now for more than 40 years?

m

May 25, 2000

Sorry,

It seems that my attached picture of the friendly

dragon has been deleted from my e-mail ?

My message loses alot of its value because

the picture was rather a humorous one.

Steve Kalec

May 25, 2000

Sorry Steve

This list has always been set up so that it accepts no attached

files of any nature.

I have now changed this setting, so if you do want to send it again,

please feel free to do so.

Your immoderate moderator

m

May 25, 2000

Dear Steve,

I am sorry too..I hate that we can not send attachments over onelist.

You can send it to individuals..Me for starters, would love to see it!

Just the other day, I started re-reading MC..maybe this time, some of it

will sink through to more than just the subjective layer and I can hold

an intelligent conversation about it without being so 'possessed by

it'(S)! Love,

Steve Kalec wrote:

>

> Sorry,

>

> It seems that my attached picture of the friendly

> dragon has been deleted from my e-mail ?

> My message loses alot of its value because

> the picture was rather a humorous one.

>

> Steve Kalec

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May 25, 2000

O.K. thanks Mike, here is the picture that goes along with

this little note.

> As we conquer and tame our most awsome and primordial

> energies through the alchemical process, the beast, our dragon

> becomes our loyal allie and strenght in our most Noble Quest.

> ( See attached picture ) I love this one.

> Steve Kalec