continue drugs despite abnormal CBC?

[Guest guest]

Got a letter saying I've had an abnormal CBC and should contact

doctor. (Naturally, the letter was mailed 15 DAYS after the blood

draw.)

Figuring its liver, I may suspend atovaquone (mepron), zith, and

artemsisinin - at any rate I'll suck down some milk thistle,

antioxidants, beta sitosterol, undenatured whey, and psyllium. Till

I can get in touch next week.

But I guess it could also be kidneys or marrow, which brings me to

my question - I've never really seen this discussed, anywhere. What

do you do about continuing meds when you have some funky lab values

pertaining to liver, kidneys, or blood cells. Obviously I'll be

asking my doctors opinion but want to be prepared with the right

questions, and anyway I ultimately decide for myself.

[Guest guest]

, if your letter mentioned an abnormal

CBC, then that wouldn’t be checking for liver or kidney issues. That

would be included in a metabolic panel. This would be the RBC, WBC,

Hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. Any issues w/anemia or anything? Perhaps your

white count is just a little off. Did they do a differential? Patrice

From: Hodologica

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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:37

PM

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Subject:

[infections] continue drugs despite abnormal CBC?

Got a letter saying I've had an abnormal CBC and

should contact

doctor. (Naturally, the letter was mailed 15 DAYS

after the blood

draw.)

Figuring its liver, I may suspend atovaquone

(mepron), zith, and

artemsisinin - at any rate I'll suck down some

milk thistle,

antioxidants, beta sitosterol, undenatured whey,

and psyllium. Till

I can get in touch next week.

But I guess it could also be kidneys or marrow,

which brings me to

my question - I've never really seen this

discussed, anywhere. What

do you do about continuing meds when you have some

funky lab values

pertaining to liver, kidneys, or blood cells.

Obviously I'll be

asking my doctors opinion but want to be prepared

with the right

questions, and anyway I ultimately decide for

myself.

[Guest guest]

Really? It doesnt have BUN or a coupla liver enzymes? I'll be

dang'd.

I dig all the other stuff you mentioned, but what is a differential

- is that the breakdown of white cell types?

<PKR527@k...> wrote:

> , if your letter mentioned an abnormal CBC, then that wouldn't

be

> checking for liver or kidney issues. That would be included in a

metabolic

> panel. This would be the RBC, WBC, Hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc.

Any

> issues w/anemia or anything? Perhaps your white count is just a

little off.

> Did they do a differential? Patrice

>

[Guest guest]

No, liver enzymes and BUN would be

included in a metabolic screen or sometimes called a comprehensive profile.

They can do lipids with the comprehensive profile.

The CBC specifically is the RBC, WBC,

HGB, HCT, MCV, MCH,, MCHC, RDW, Platelets and MPV. The differential does break

down the white cells (into percentages of granulocytes, lymphocyes, etc.)

Ever any platelet issues? I don’t

know your Medical history (I’m sure it’s recorded, but I don’t

get on here a lot), so it’s hard to speculate, but could be something

that by the time they draw a repeat, it’s corrected itself.

Patrice

From: Hodologica

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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005

11:37 AM

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Subject:

[infections] Re: continue drugs despite abnormal CBC?

Really? It doesnt have BUN or a coupla liver

enzymes? I'll be

dang'd.

I dig all the other stuff you mentioned, but what

is a differential

- is that the breakdown of white cell types?

<PKR527@k...> wrote:

> , if your letter mentioned an abnormal

CBC, then that wouldn't

be

> checking for liver or kidney issues.

That would be included in a

metabolic

> panel. This would be the RBC, WBC,

Hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc.

Any

> issues w/anemia or anything? Perhaps

your white count is just a

little off.

> Did they do a differential? Patrice

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, PLATELETs, I done forgot about em, yes Ive had a touch of the

old thrombocytopenia long before I even went down hard. Oddly, they

were back in biz last time I checked - which was many months ago,

before any treatment, at a time when I was prostrated and having

enough anxiety to have trouble breathing! I've even always had good

numbers (% and absolute) of lymphocytes. Monocytes elevated once but

I doubt they are now, since I am so much less sick.

<PKR527@k...> wrote:

> No, liver enzymes and BUN would be included in a metabolic screen

or

> sometimes called a comprehensive profile. They can do lipids with

the

> comprehensive profile.

>

>

>

> The CBC specifically is the RBC, WBC, HGB, HCT, MCV, MCH,, MCHC,

RDW,

> Platelets and MPV. The differential does break down the white

cells (into

> percentages of granulocytes, lymphocyes, etc.)

>

>

>

> Ever any platelet issues? I don't know your Medical history (I'm

sure it's

> recorded, but I don't get on here a lot), so it's hard to

speculate, but

> could be something that by the time they draw a repeat, it's

corrected

> itself.

>

>

>

> Patrice

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been thrombocytopenic with all the usual signs including the

petechial rashes since 1982 which is when I became very ill. I looked

back over the tests results since then and observed the higher my

fibrinogen the lower my platelets. I used enzymes, mostly bromelain,

to treat the ISAC; after that had an obvious effect my platlets went

up to 100, the highest they have been, and my fibrinogen levels were

the lowest they have been too.

I did have my lymphocytes go down to such a low level early on they

thought I might have AIDS, macrophages were abnormal too. Later the

lymphocyte #s increased, they were never really high or low but the T

Helper levels remained high whilst the TSuppressor remained low. The

other WBC are frequently high especially my neutrophils.

Throughout all these years these signs my immune system was clearly

responding to something.

Tansy

> > No, liver enzymes and BUN would be included in a metabolic screen

> or

> > sometimes called a comprehensive profile. They can do lipids

with

> the

> > comprehensive profile.

> >

> >

> >

> > The CBC specifically is the RBC, WBC, HGB, HCT, MCV, MCH,, MCHC,

> RDW,

> > Platelets and MPV. The differential does break down the white

> cells (into

> > percentages of granulocytes, lymphocyes, etc.)

> >

> >

> >

> > Ever any platelet issues? I don't know your Medical history (I'm

> sure it's

> > recorded, but I don't get on here a lot), so it's hard to

> speculate, but

> > could be something that by the time they draw a repeat, it's

> corrected

> > itself.

> >

> >

> >

> > Patrice

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tansy:

Any chace you remember what were your fibrinogen levels before/after

taking the enzymes?

Thanks,

o

> > > No, liver enzymes and BUN would be included in a metabolic screen

> > or

> > > sometimes called a comprehensive profile. They can do lipids

> with

> > the

> > > comprehensive profile.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The CBC specifically is the RBC, WBC, HGB, HCT, MCV, MCH,, MCHC,

> > RDW,

> > > Platelets and MPV. The differential does break down the white

> > cells (into

> > > percentages of granulocytes, lymphocyes, etc.)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ever any platelet issues? I don't know your Medical history (I'm

> > sure it's

> > > recorded, but I don't get on here a lot), so it's hard to

> > speculate, but

> > > could be something that by the time they draw a repeat, it's

> > corrected

> > > itself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Patrice

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think out of 11 CBCs over the last three years all but 2 had

elevated white counts, and on both of those I was on antibiotics.

Neutrophils were elevated last July and September, back in range on

antibiotics in January.

My RBC took a big dive in January, the range is fairly broad and I

was a couple points from being under it. Hoping that is a response

to Babesia treatment, but that's the same lab report where my

testosterone went from low to clinically deficient. Low testosterone

reduces RBCs, which may be why resistance to blood parasites like

malaria and Babesia is torpedoed when testosterone is deficient.

, your testosterone has been deficient, and you've been

undergoing Babesia treatment - I wonder if they flagged your RBCs?

Could be the other thing you mentioned, of course.

Cheers,

> > > No, liver enzymes and BUN would be included in a metabolic

screen

> > or

> > > sometimes called a comprehensive profile. They can do lipids

> with

> > the

> > > comprehensive profile.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The CBC specifically is the RBC, WBC, HGB, HCT, MCV, MCH,,

MCHC,

> > RDW,

> > > Platelets and MPV. The differential does break down the white

> > cells (into

> > > percentages of granulocytes, lymphocyes, etc.)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ever any platelet issues? I don't know your Medical history

(I'm

> > sure it's

> > > recorded, but I don't get on here a lot), so it's hard to

> > speculate, but

> > > could be something that by the time they draw a repeat, it's

> > corrected

> > > itself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Patrice

> > >

> > >