Penny: bleach, etc.

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Hi Penny,

I have to agree with Marie, but of course we're all different, and

some are more affected by chemicals than others. And if you

know a couple people who are still alive(!), and using it in the

same way you intend to, then I could understand why you might

consider it.

Still, if I were you (and I'm not!), I'd give the SinoFresh a two-three

week trial before adding anything new to the mix. How else will

you know what helped and what didn't?

Respectfully,

Dan

>

> >

> > Hi Dan and all,

> >

> > Yes, I looked up all the ingredients too, and other

> > than a couple of

> > hysterical sounding, non-verified warnings, I think

> > the main

> > ingredient, cetylpyridinium chloride, seems like a

> > fairly safe and

> > fairly effective antimicrobial, especially

> > considering some of the

> > abx I've taken. It also has some inactive

> > ingredients like

> > eucalyyptus oil, peppermint oil, spearmint oil and

> > wintergreen oil.

> > I think these are primarily to create a pleasant

> > taste smell, and/or

> > to soothe the mucous membranes. When reading about

> > its antiseptic

> > properties, I found it was compared very positively

> > to things like

> > bleaching powder, H202, etc.

> >

> > My friend told me that when she started using it,

> > her sinuses

> > smelled like rotting flesh. She's one of the few

> > people I know who

> > actually went into an almost full remission using a

> > variation on the

> > Garth Nicholson protocol (added Augmentin to the

> > Doxycycline), but

> > with her dental situation not being resolved, she

> > cannot achieve

> > complete remission permanently. I was impressed when

> > she said the

> > SinoFresh accomplished what other nasal

> > antibacterials could not.

> >

> > So far, for me, I really think the Sino Fresh is

> > working too. The

> > salty taste is definitely lessening, and my mucous

> > seems to be much

> > thinner. I'm also getting some drainage from my

> > nostrils, which

> > usually doesn't happen. It's usually just in the

> > form of thick goo

> > going down the back of my throat. This is why it

> > SEEMED that I never

> > had sinus problems, until CT scans showed something

> > very different.

> >

> > Anyway, it's interesting. The first day I used the

> > spray, Sunday, it

> > felt really good, but I'm now noticing that my

> > throat/sinuses burn

> > for a while after spraying, so I think I've

> > definitely got some

> > irritation going on.

> >

> > This is going to sound whacky, but after trying

> > everything else,

> > like i.v. Colloidal silver, and i.v. H202 (hydrogen

> > peroxide) along

> > with more normal means of administration (like in my

> > nasal/dental

> > rinses), and feeling they were only marginally

> > helpful, I'm going to

> > start nebulizing, hydro-pulsing (nasal irrigation)

> > and hydro-

> > flossing with tiny amounts of bleach. I now know two

> > people who've

> > nebulized bleach and are very positive that it's

> > helped. I am NOT

> > recommending this to anyone else, but I know that

> > bleach is about

> > the best antimicrobial in existence. Unfortunatley,

> > with my current

> > sinus irritation, I think I'll wait a bit before

> > putting it into my

> > sinuses, but in the meantime, I'm going to add a

> > couple of drops to

> > my hydrofloss, and clean my mouth/teeth with it.

> >

> > One thing I think people are really overlooking in

> > their attempts to

> > define our organisms as being strictly

> > intracellular, etc., is that

> > these organisms, in their many forms, can take up

> > residence in

> > almost any environment, not just inside the cell,

> > and become

> > impervious to almost all attempts at eradication.

> > Here's an example.

> > As a bio-physical chemist, my husband was naturally

> > attracted to

> > brewing beer at home. He made some amazingly good

> > brews. But he also

> > had to deal with bacterial contamination that could

> > give the brew an

> > off-taste. He started out using plastic vats for

> > brewing, but found

> > that even with sterilization, the bacteria could

> > stay embedded in

> > the plastic, and the next batch would be

> > contaminated. If he got

> > brand new vats, the brew would be fine. But he

> > couldn't reuse them

> > for long. This means that the bacteria could embed

> > itself in the

> > plastic and despite sterilization with both boiling

> > water and

> > bleach, the bacteria could survive to ruin another

> > batch. He

> > switched his brew making efforts to glass vats, as

> > it's less

> > permeable than the plastic, and the contamination

> > was no longer a

> > problem.

> >

> > My point is, bugs know how to protect themselves,

> > and how to

> > penetrate almost everything. So places like our

> > sinuses are a piece

> > of cake. And if there's an entryway into bone, they

> > love it, as

> > there's so little blood flow and oxygen to the

> > region, so they have

> > a nice protected home, where they can produce their

> > toxins, making

> > us feel lousy.

> >

> > My husband (and Tony) says bleach is the only thing

> > that can really

> > kill most bugs, it's what they use to sterilize

> > scientific equipment

> > with. But even so, it can still be ineffective

> > against bugs hiding

> > in plastic.

> >

> > Fortunatley, my sinuses aren't as rigid and

> > impermeable as plastic,

> > so at this point, a couple of drops of bleach in my

> > nebulizer or

> > hydroflosser seems like a risk worth taking

> > (especially after

> > knowing a couple people who've done it with no bad

> > effects). I also

> > know that there are a few doctors who use miniscule

> > amounts of a

> > specially developed bleach solution and administer

> > it i.v. Even

> > though it's not illegal, it's unconventional and

> > hard to get, so

> > they're mostly doing it on the Q.T. or in Mexico.

> > But again, I'm not

> > suggesting anyone else try this. I'll just report

> > how it goes for me.

> >

> > But back to Sino Fresh. So far I'm liking it a lot.

> > It's like when I

> > started the Benicar and immediately knew it was

> > affecting my

> > symptoms of inflammation. I feel the same way about

> > the Sino Fresh.

> > It's definitely doing something. The lessening of

> > the salty taste

> > and mucous is a big change for me. My energy is also

> > improving a

> > bit, but whether this is coincidental, or actually

> > the result of

> > lessening the infection, I don't know.

> >

> > penny

> >

> > p.s. It's really weird that I posted about Sino

> > Fresh very early

> > Sunday morning, even went to a 24 hour pharmacy to

> > get some, and my

> > post apparently didn't show up until much, much

> > later.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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